"Stealing Iraq's oil is a war crime!" says Kucinich

[yurbud]

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Dennis may look like a yard gnome, but the guy has more balls and integrity than the so-called leadership of the Democratic Party.


http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org

[Tom Joad]

1. This policy is supported by the Democrat Party. Dennis nearly stands alone on this. again.

The little bastards who support this policy ought to be sent to the Hague.

[freesqueeze]

2. DK is so naive...

Doesn't he know that if the neo-cons don't like a law they just change it, retroactively if needed?

[ringtailtooter]

3. They are already stealing what is available.

The meters on the pipelines are still not counting how much crude is being pumped out. Halliburton was supposed to fix them 2 years ago. Tankers line up in the Gulf and help themselves while our military watches. There is a huge black market for their oil. So as far as BushCo is concerned, it really doesn't matter too much how long we stay there or if the Oil Law that the multi-nationals want gets passed.

http://www.diatribune.com/halliburton-suspected-aiding-oil-smugglers-iraq

[yurbud]

4. that kind of theft is harder to pull off long term.

[karlrschneider]

5. No, it's actually very easy to do.

Koch oil company has been doing it right here in the USA for years. It is impossible to monitor the actual quantities of oil that comes out of the ground. (Well, not impossible but not economically feasible unless you post someone at every single wellhead)

There's even a well-known name for the practice: "Koch barrels." * I know for sure this happens with my own oil royalty interests but proving it would cost as much as the oil I eventually do get paid for.

*It means they pay for about 30 gallons instead of the full 42 gallon barrel.

[JDPriestly]

9. Koch oil -- any relation to Bush's sister's husband (or ex-husband)?

[karlrschneider]

15. Probably...but I don't know really. They get sued all the time and usually win.

They are politically well-connected, for sure. Have a look at this (representative) brief...plaintiffs trying to appeal
a dismissal of a complaint of Koch stealing oil. Paragraphs 3 and 4 describe one way they do it.
http://www.ndcourts.gov/court/opinions/20030347.htm

[JDPriestly]

17. Answered my own question. Yes. Very related.

n 1989, the US Senate Committee on Investigations stated, "Koch Oil, a subsidiary of Koch Industries, is the most dramatic example of an oil company stealing by deliberate mismeasurement and fraudulent reporting." (Palast p.150) During the Clinton administration, Koch was charged with 315 acts of pollution, especially at its Pine Bend Refinery facility in Rosemount, Minnesota. Koch Industries denied the allegations, but the cases were settled in January 2000 for $35 million in fines.

In another instance, Koch was charged with 97 counts of covering up evidence in the case of a benzene spill in Corpus Christi, Texas releasing 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen. The government sought fines as high as $350 million. Four of its employees were also charged with criminal offenses in the case, facing up to 35 years in prison. During this time, Koch donated $800,000 to the Bush election fund and other Republican candidates. In 2000, the Justice Department reduced the number of counts from 97 to 11 to nine to seven. Just before the case was to go to trial, the Justice Department dropped the remaining seven counts and settled the case for $20 million. Koch pled guilty to one count of concealing evidence, which they had self-reported in 1996, and the criminal charges against the employees were dropped. George W. Bush's sister, Doro Bush Koch, is married to one Bobby Koch. (Center for Public Integrity -- Williams et al., July 2004)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries

Sounds like they are all around scoundrels just like their beloved Bushies.

[karlrschneider]

18. Good catch. I wonder why I'm not surprised. What a nest of snakes.

:mad:

[karlrschneider]

6. But you can take it to the bank that there is SOMEONE with a sharp pencil

and a really big eraser who knows damn near exactly how much is "leaking around the meters." And who's offshore bank accounts look like a woman pregnant with quintuplets. :grr:

Welcome to DU, though.

[yurbud]

10. the best thieves have the best accountants

[MindMatter]

7. God, this sucks

When there is only one sane candidate from each party -- Rep Paul being the other one.

[LibertyorDeath]

8. Go Dennis !!!

As long as Iraq has Oil

Americans will be there to exploit it...

Anyone that thinks this is about defeating

a tactic (Terrorism) is either in denial or

is ignorant of the history of warfare.

From day one it's been about the oil

and that's why the Dem's gave fuck face his funding.

They will not discuss Iraq's oil in any of the debates

the MSM will not talk about it Truthfully as Dennis does here.

Rethugs or Dem's Iraqi's are screwed Corporate America wants control

of Iraq's oil wealth.

REC!

[yurbud]

11. that's why even hearing most elected Democrats talk about the war is excruciating

if people in other countries saw it, they would think we are a nation of gullible retards, who vote for the equivalents of Tony Robbins and Benny Hinn.

[LibertyorDeath]

12. LOL don't get me started on the Benny Hinn believers.

Unfortunately the majority of Americans are being dragged down

by the 25-30% minority of true bushie believers, the co opting & transformation of the MSM

into a political tool of the thugs in powers at the behest of their corporate backers.

Throw in the DLC some fundamentalist Christians, Rove/Cheney and it's cluster fuck nation.

[yurbud]

13. Benny Hinn makes Jerry Falwell look like Mother Theresa

I can't even say I feel sorry for his followers. If I walked onto a car lot, and he was the salesman who approached me, he wouldn't get a word out of his mouth before I'd be running the other direction.

[LibertyorDeath]

16. The Fifth Estate CBC Canada's excellent

investigative journalism show did a great expose on Hinn & his flock

You can watch it online it's very well done.

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/main_miracles.html

DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES?
Watch the entire documentary online (runs appox 41:30)

[Norrin Radd]

14. k+r