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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 10:56 AM
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Patriot Armory Website Welcome Video FBI HELLOOOOOO!
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 11:28 AM by Joanne98
 
Run time: 07:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_B2U1OR8A
 
Posted on YouTube: July 14, 2009
By YouTube Member:
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Posted on DU: July 15, 2009
By DU Member: Joanne98
Views on DU: 4868
 
It's just a matter of time before these types blow up a federal building and when they do HEADS ARE GOING TO ROLL AT THE FBI!

It doesn't matter to me. Put them in jail BEFORE they do it and keep your jobs. Wait until AFTER they do it. Well... That means we get to fire all the right-wingers in the FBI for having empathy for terrorists!

Personally. I like the latter.


Tags: Freedom Video America Distress Call to arms FEMA revolution Patriot armory resistance ARM A.R.M. malitia sovereignty gun control government death camp fight back martial law sheeple

He spelled militia wrong.

You know what's the biggest joke about this crap. They NEVER bitch about the WTO. We lost our SOVEREIGNTY when we joined THAT international organization. They can overule anything our government does with secret three panel judges and we're not even allowed to know their names.

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/422-Seattle-and-the-WTO.html

It operates in secret. The judges that sit on the WTO panels are appointed. They meet behind closed doors. They hear no outside witnesses. Their proceedings are not made public.


- WTO judges are not chosen because of their expertise in the subject they are ruling on, but for adherence to the tenets of free trade.


- Only governments can bring a case to the trade panels. Citizen organizations, individuals, and local governments cannot.


- The WTO allows nations to enact laws that are weaker than global standards but not stronger.


- The WTO offers no democratic process for change. It can be amended, but only from within.


- In theory the WTO is a "one-member country, one-vote" democracy, but in practice there has never been a vote in its nine years' existence. Maybe because developing-country members could vote to change the rules of game?


- The WTO is fundamentally undemocratic: the policies of the WTO impact all aspects of society and the planet, but it is not a democratic, transparent institution. The WTO rules are written by and for corporations with inside access to the negotiations. For example, the US Trade Representative gets heavy input for negotiations from 17 "Industry Sector Advisory Committees". Citizen input by consumer, environmental, human rights and labor organizations is consistently ignored. Even simple requests for information are denied, and the proceedings are held in secret. Who elected this secret global government?


- The WTO will not make us safer: the WTO would like you to believe that creating a world of "free trade" will promote global understanding and peace. On the contrary, the domination of international trade by rich countries for the benefit of their individual interests fuels anger and resentment that make us less safe. To build real global security, we need international agreements that respect people's rights to democracy and trade systems that promote global justice.


- The WTO tramples labor and human rights: WTO rules put the "rights" of corporations to profit over human and labor rights. The WTO encourages a 'race to the bottom' in wages by pitting workers against each other rather than promoting internationally recognized labor standards. The WTO has ruled that it is illegal for a government to ban a product based on the way it is produced, such as with child labor. It has also ruled that governments cannot take into account "non commercial values" such as human rights, or the behavior of companies that do business with vicious dictatorships such as Burma when making purchasing decisions.


- The WTO would privatize essential services: the WTO is seeking to privatize essential public services such as education, health care, energy and water. Privatization means the selling off of public assets - such as radio airwaves or schools - to private (usually foreign) corporations, to run for profit rather than the public good. The WTO's General Agreement on Trade in Services, or GATS, includes a list of about 160 threatened services including elder and child care, sewage, garbage, park maintenance, telecommunications, construction, banking, insurance, transportation, shipping, postal services, and tourism. In some countries, privatization is already occurring. Those least able to pay for vital services - working class communities and communities of color - are the ones who suffer the most.


- The WTO is destroying the environment: the WTO is being used by corporations to dismantle hard-won local and national environmental protections, which are attacked as "barriers to trade." The very first WTO panel ruled that a provision of the US Clean Air Act, requiring both domestic and foreign producers alike to produce cleaner gasoline, was illegal. The WTO declared illegal a provision of the Endangered Species Act that requires shrimp sold in the US to be caught with an inexpensive device allowing endangered sea turtles to escape. The WTO is attempting to deregulate industries including logging, fishing, water utilities, and energy distribution, which will lead to further exploitation of these natural resources.


- The WTO is killing people: the WTO's fierce defense of "Trade Related Intellectual Property" rights (TRIPs) - patents, copyrights and trademarks - comes at the expense of health and human lives. The WTO has protected for pharmaceutical companies' "right to profit" against governments seeking to protect their people's health by providing lifesaving medicines in countries in areas like sub-Saharan Africa, where thousands die every day from HIV/AIDS. Developing countries won an important victory in 2001 when they affirmed the right to produce generic drugs (or import them if they lacked production capacity), so that they could provide essential lifesaving medicines to their populations less expensively. Unfortunately, in September 2003, many new conditions were agreed to that will make it more difficult for countries to produce those drugs. Once again, the WTO demonstrates that it favors corporate profit over saving human lives.


- The WTO is increasing inequality: free trade is not working for the majority of the world. During the most recent period of rapid growth in global trade and investment (1960 to 1998) inequality worsened both internationally and within countries. The UN Development Program reports that the richest 20 percent of the world's population consume 86 percent of the world's resources while the poorest 80 percent consume just 14 percent. WTO rules have hastened these trends by opening up countries to foreign investment and thereby making it easier for production to go where the labor is cheapest and most easily exploited and environmental costs are low.


- The WTO is increasing hunger: farmers produce enough food in the world to feed everyone - yet because of corporate control of food distribution, as many as 800 million people worldwide suffer from chronic malnutrition. According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, food is a human right. In developing countries, as many as four out of every five people make their living from the land. But the leading principle in the WTO's Agreement on Agriculture is that market forces should control agricultural policies-rather than a national commitment to guarantee food security and maintain decent family farmer incomes. WTO policies have allowed dumping of heavily subsidized industrially produced food into poor countries, undermining local production and increasing hunger.


- The WTO hurts poor, small countries in favor of rich powerful nations: the WTO supposedly operates on a consensus basis, with equal decision-making power for all. In reality, many important decisions get made in a process whereby poor countries' negotiators are not even invited to closed door meetings - and then "agreements" are announced that poor countries didn't even know were being discussed. Many countries do not even have enough trade personnel to participate in all the negotiations or to even have a permanent representative at the WTO. This severely disadvantages poor countries from representing their interests. Likewise, many countries are too poor to defend themselves from WTO challenges from the rich countries, and change their laws rather than pay for their own defense.


- The WTO undermines local level decision-making and national sovereignty: the WTO's "most favored nation" provision requires all WTO member countries to treat each other equally and to treat all corporations from these countries equally regardless of their track record. Local policies aimed at rewarding companies who hire local residents, use domestic materials, or adopt environmentally sound practices are essentially illegal under the WTO. Developing countries are prohibited from creating local laws that developed countries once pursued, such as protecting new, domestic industries until they can be internationally competitive. California Governor Gray Davis vetoed a "Buy California" bill that would have granted a small preference to local businesses because it was WTO-illegal. Conforming with the WTO required entire sections of US laws to be rewritten. Many countries are even changing their laws and constitutions in anticipation of potential future WTO rulings and negotiations.
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/7177

NOW THAT'S WHAT A GLOBAL DICTATORSHIP LOOKS LIKE!

They NEVER EVER even mention the WTO. Because they're FRAUDS and LIARS!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:08 AM
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1. Here's another one. It's amazing to me that they just noticed.. JUST since January 20th.

That the country is screwed. Thanks to TWENTY TWO YEARS OF THE BUSH FAMILY! Of course this guy is defending Bush. LIAR!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ5bz7PJ66k
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:44 AM
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13. Since you are on a crusade against J4P, Sootch, myself and so many others:
I daresay you don't have your volume turned up. I have said on literally dozens of occasions that I am NO Bush supporter. Let's review a few things he had to contend with, not necessarily in chronological order:

1. Hurricane Katrina
2. Space Shuttle disaster
3. Malaysian Tsunami
4. Wiping up after the Clinton disaster, remember, the last IMPEACHED PRESIDENT?
5. September 11, 2001
6. Genocide in Africa
7. Fighting a war on terror on TWO fronts

So tell me...where in all of this did Mr. Bush have time to do everything you all say he did or did not do? We will just start with these things, and see where Bush had the time to conspire so much against the Democrats.

Moderator: This is an attempt at logical, dissective discussion. I expect it will be rejected.

MJ
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 06:20 AM
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16. Have you nothing better to do with your time than hunt American Patriots?
You honestly think that BUSH is to BLAME??? Lady, please...

What about The Dem controlled Congresses? As many times as Bush BEGGED for UNITED SUPPORT and ACTION? Called on "elected leaders" to PUT THEIR HEADS TOGETHER?? I remind you of statistical FACT: The Dems SAT ON THEIR BUTTS for the most part, dragging their feet the last TWO YEARS of the Bush administration and did NOTHING while we were dying in the sandbox. All to advance their party's interests. Meanwhile, our troops bled and died. They tried to sneak in bills of Constitutional usurption (and still do!) under the guise of "armor for troops". Don't think we forgot...

All the while you attack us, think of one thing: While you are so busy being so righteous in demanding our incarceration and heads on a platter, what would YOU do when someone violated YOUR home? Raped YOU? One of your kids? I was witness to a savage attack on my mother at an early age. There was no time for police. Now I know that some here are going to go off on that with witty jokes(simply because you don't have to say it to my face)...but just THINK, for God's sake, THINK for once. You REALLY think that disarming over 160 MILLION law abiding gun owners will make you SAFER? HOW??? By turning the streets over to corrupt, overpowered law enforcement? Or the criminals they...well...I don't know what they are doing. In the BLUE state I just moved out of, average police response was 17-35 minutes. Myself and my .45 stopped a burglary in progress, and converted a Dem to being a THINKER...seeing as how my gun and I SAVED HER LIFE from THREE ATTACKERS. Where were your police then? She would have been RAPED AND MURDERED (they had LONG priors and weapons - no guns - and our state's Democratic government had just RELEASED 33 HIGH RISK FELONS from jail back onto the streets among our families and children, hence our move) were it not for one of my tenants being awake, and my courage to face that evil with my CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED GUN.

Like it or not, over HALF the population is armed. Save your idiot gun control, it only punishes those who abide the law. THINK, people. DRUGS are illegal...and it doesn't stop THEM, now does it? Imagine streets where criminals no longer have anything to fear. Cops that respond slowly so that they don't see danger, people without the right to defend what is theirs. You make VICTIMS of us all!

Europe is always looking for professional victims if that is what you want. Like it or not, the states that have the highest statistical crime rates, and most oppressive anti-gun laws...are BLUE STATES. This is matter of statistical FACT. California, New York, Illinois, D.C., need I say more? While you are so busy posting me...precisely what made you COME LOOKING? Closet patriot? Scared of how your candidate is tearing this nation down and breaking EVERY promise he made? If you were dedicated to your cause, you would have no time to troll youtube scouring the net for people who are trying desperately to HELP one another and get some TRUTH out...

Just some stuff to chew on. We appreciate your patronage...and your hate-filled doughnuts...they sure are nummy!

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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:59 PM
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29. WELCOME TO DU! I hope you learn much from your progressive brethren
I don't hate guns. I just think the gun manufacturers, NRA, and our society has exalted guns to a status that is unhealthy.

Good luck defending against the full force of the FBI/ATF if you guys ever decide to "defend the Constitution against enemies foreign or domestic".
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 11:17 AM
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2. But they are so helpful in creating BOB's (bug out bags)
Edited on Wed Jul-15-09 11:24 AM by tomm2thumbs

I guess they are ready for the world to cave in any second - isn't that great? <sarc>

http://freedomvideousa.forumwise.com/

Bwaahahahahahah - definitely some folks out there who have never left their general vicinity to see the real world and think there is someone hiding behind every tree (note the Great Smoky Mountains map, obviously this person has now compromised their location and now must make a run for the hills as a result!)

'TIME TO BUG OUT - the black helicopters have located your position!!'




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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:49 AM
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14. Several things to consider here...
This was a GREAT POST! I laughed pretty hard!

Now that I am done laughing:

1. The B.O.B. is EXTREMELY useful in enduring natural disasters. I'll wager people in Louisiana WISHED they'd had some while Blackwater mercenaries were disarming them, and leaving them to fend for themselves!

2. Our locations are not "compromised" as no one is hiding anything. We use a PUBLIC board!

3. The helicopters are actually green. Black ones only take video from surrounding businesses during False Flag Attacks.

<sarc>

People, you don't even know us...yet you cast aspersions. Try affording us the same courtesies we afford you for once. You judge and demand action over people you don't even know.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:24 PM
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3. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together wouldn't believe his disclaimers.
What a liar.

They aren't a para-military organization, but they just hand out RANKS to their more experienced (trusted) members? There is a section on 'Field Equipment?' I am presuming he isn't talking about bug spray, picnic baskets, Frisbees, and blankets?

What a crock of shit. Is it just me? Or did anyone else just want to poke his tummy to make him giggle? Doughboy would make a great username for this punter.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 12:33 PM
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4. I'm old enough to remember 1993 when they started this exact same shit.

Just because Clinton won the election. I live in Ohio and I started seeing all these white redneck types driving around without license plates and dressed in camo. I had no idea what they were doing. I used to see them on my way to work and then at work I would listen to "christian" radio(the only radio channel I could get). Randall Terry and others and they talked shit the same way these guys are.

Then Oklahoma city happened and they all put their license plates back on their cars and got dressed in real clothes.

That's why I know what's going to happened because they are doing everything they can to create little Tim Veighs' and it's going to work. But this time it's not getting forgotten.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 01:09 PM
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5. I was 23 at the time.
I remember the militia groups very well, and their utter hatred of all things Clinton. The Michigan Militia was right next door, and it bled over.

Dollars to doughnuts these guys ebb and flow with Democratic control. Any actions taken by these people should be considered class book terrorism.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 02:37 PM
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6. They do ebb and flow with Democratic control. They believe in Oligarchies and Theocracies
And Democratic Presidencies threaten their fiefdoms. This whole movement is nothing but a white conservative privilege temper tantrum because they lost the election to a black man of all things.

They're pathological liars too. They care about the debt? RIGHT!















Charts are a beautiful thing. We'll have to remember to tattoo charts on their foreheads after we throw them into FEMA camps. lol
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:13 AM
Original message
reply to your attacks....
 
Run time: 07:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV_B2U1OR8A
 
Posted on YouTube: July 14, 2009
By YouTube Member:
Views on YouTube: 0
 
Posted on DU: July 17, 2009
By DU Member: PatriotArmory
Views on DU: 4868
 
Such kind words. I welcome you to "poke my tummy". I daresay that had I spoken of you in this manner, you'd be running for your Mod to have me banned. It sure is odd that on our board, we forbid this type of judgemental and discriminatory conduct. But then, rarely has anyone had the stones to say these wonderful things to my face, much less afford people of my belief structure the opportunity to speak on their own position. As was explained, the "ranks" were post facto, and meant absolutely NOTHING apart from indicating someone's level of participation on the board. If you presume to call me a liar, have the personal integrity to do so to my face.
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:25 AM
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10. Further reply to your attacks, and how Citizens handle things...
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 05:29 AM by PatriotArmory
To all judgemental, misinformed posters:

The level of venom that I find on this site is simply appalling. Seems like "hate" to me. Perhaps that new "Anti-Hate Crime" Bill will do something to stop such malicious and slanderous attacks. I am the person appearing in this video, and frankly I am not surprised to see this. It's funny to me how people in your party seem to find only negative, hate, and despair where we try to find the real hope. Civilians owning weapons is what gave you all the rights that you now wipe your butts with. I am a veteran of TWO branches of US military service...and this is how you all treat me. You're welcome. I would STILL honor my oath to defend your rights...even though it is now PAINFULLY apparent that many do not deserve them...

This is the message I sent your board admins in reply to the malicious and hate-filled attacks on my personal character and even the guy's spelling that posted. I hope you are all quite proud. You are all now quite well known! Now, there is some UNDENIABLE information contained herein, so before you all get your blood pressures up and go reporting me to the FBI, know that we have a 100% NO ILLEGALITY POLICY that is STRICTLY ENFORCED. Not to mention a 100% ZERO TOLERANCE trashtalking policy that is equally enforced. So quick to rush to judgement you all are. Name calling, threats, and so on...and WE are the ones that should be jailed? I think some priorities need to be re-adjusted.

Know that for our safety, there are now hundreds of us "dangerous Republicans" occupying this site. Just to see what you all REALLY think and say. So far, it's been nothing but misinformed hate, which is not suprising. We welcome you to OUR board if you are tired of all of this. We practice no hate, no discrimination, and no bigotry. We forbid it. Truth only. Like why your President' FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER was to SEAL his records...sounds like someone in hiding something to me....

I submit for your reading pleasure:

To whom it may concern,

My name is Mike Jones. I am the person appearing in this video reposted from one of your users, "Joanne98":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x337220

While I admit, I was at first rather irritated at this person's ignorance, intolerance, hypocrisy, and so on, this post is potentially harmful to me. If this person had actually LISTENED to what I said, I declared openly there, as we do NOW, and always WILL: "there is no talk if illegality", "We do not permit ANY type of extremist behavior.", "We PROMOTE: intelligence, safety, legality, Constitutionalism, support and exercise of Our Rights.", and so on. There is NO logical or educated reason to have to have people like this drag us through the mud on forums that profess the rules that yours does.

That being said:

At our forum, we encourage participation from EVERYONE, regardless of party affiliation or partisan view. It makes for objective discussions. This person has made some VERY desparaging comments in their post without actually having LISTENED to what I said, KNOWING any of us, having ANYTHING to do with us, or ever having spoken to me. This person goes so far as to attack the fact that I made a MINOR spelling error while typing. Pretty sad...am I to assume that Democrats NEVER make spelling errors???

"I should be arrested"??? For WHAT? Demanding that our members NOT engage in illegality? For DEMANDING that our members conduct themselves as professionals? Exercising my 1st Amendment Rights? For exercising ANY of my Constitutional Rights? You will note that ALL of our productions DEMAND THOUGHT, and STRICTLY forbid any type of questionable behavior...to the point that we have a verbal disclaimer in MOST of our videos. We ask people to question what they see, and to see beyond all the smoke and mirrors of partisan politics. This bears me being incarcerated??? Oh yeah...gotta love the way THIS lady thinks...let's just jail EVERYONE until their thoughts can be forcefed to them! "Thoughtcrime" supporter, no doubt.

So please tell me...what is it exactly that I should be arrested for? This is plain ludicrous, this type of behavior. As well as inexcusable and unforgivable. For all I know, this lady has gone on the next crusade to nail me to a post for doing what I am CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED to be able to do! We make it a 100% point to stay within all Constitutional Laws, and to NOT appear as extremists, in FACT, we try very hard to be COUNTER-extremist. Listen to our other videos as evidence...

Were you to visit OUR forum, you would note that we FORBID this kind of behavior. We teach SAFETY and RESPONSIBILITY, Patriotism and Common Sense, and we would not allow this kind of trashtalk.

I am compelled to reiterate: We have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for those that are extremists, and we forbid any talk of anything that could remotely be associated with extremism. We are a PATRIOTIC group, in full accordance with the constitutional law.

In honesty: We are NOT in support of the current Presidential administration for a MULTITUDE of DOCUMENTABLE reasons, as BHO usurped the Office, and as his first Executive Order sealed his records to hide EVERYTHING about his life. He is not legally eligible to be POTUS. No one acts that fast or hard to cover up their past unless they are hiding something. Anyone can see that.

"These types"? "Blow up a federal building"? What part of ANY of what I said constitutes these comments being warranted? If I read correctly, your "terms of use" FORBID this type of behavior. "Extreme remarks, attacks", and so on. Does my party affiliation exclude me from protection from these?

NOWHERE in ANY of our content would ANYTHING give anyone reason to speak like this. It is absoultely assinine for this woman to say something like this, being COMPLETELY uneducated and ignorant of the facts.

Please advise me as to how you plan to handle this.

Your site has been given an "honorable mention" on ours, as well as many others now, and will be watched to maintain that this type of personal attacks to people who have done nothing wrong don't get taken out of context again. This is simply wrong. Nothing was said or done to warrant this type of attack...and that's precisely what it is...an attack. Perhaps the new Dem "anti-hate crime bill" would place THIS person behind bars? Sucks when your own party's politics act against you, no?

We would not tolerate this kind of attack on someone...ever...will you?

Mike
The person appearing in the video in question.
Site Admin
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 11:28 AM
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24. LOL. There are already hundreds of "dangerous Republicans"
occupying this site. No one really cares.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:45 AM
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17. You are a liar. You conspiracy theories don't even make sense.

Not that I'm against CT's. I believe in them myself. But you guys on the right just decide AHEAD OF TIME what you want the problem to be and then you structure your conspiracy's to fit that.

As I posted above. You NEVER mention the WTO. Why is that? The WTO can over rule anything our government does. With SECRET three panel judges. You know. If the WTO wanted to take your guns away they could do it in a heartbeat and nobody, not Congress, not the Supreme court or even the President could do anything about it.

The reason you guys never bitch about them is because they represent a CORPORATE DICTATORSHIP!
And that's just fine with you. Add hypocrite to liar and fraud!

Another thing you NEVER complain about are the "free trade agreements" NAFTA for instance has a clause giving corporations the right to got to the WTO and SUE our federal and state governments for passing laws they don't like. They did it to CA...

>>>>>>>>>
NAFTA's investor rights provisions, so-called Chapter 11, allow any corporation in a NAFTA country to sue the federal government of either of the other countries whenever the corporation believes that a federal, state or local law or policy violates vaguely-defined investor rights.
The Methanex case is remarkably similar to the 1998 case leveled against Canada by U.S.-based Ethyl Corp. A Canadian public health ban on the fuel additive MMT was challenged by Ethyl because it "expropriated" future profits and damaged Ethyl's "good reputation." Rather than pay the $251 million in damages demanded by Ethyl Corp., Canada overturned its ban and paid Ethyl $13 million.
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/nafta_gatt/lawsuit.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

WE LOST OUR SOVERNITY A LONG LONG TIME AGO!

The NWO isn't a One World Government. It's a ONE WORLD CORPORATION! That's what's really going on and some of us in this country are trying to get out of the claws of it but you aren't helping by muddying the waters with your assinine theories.

And how can we forget the WAR ON DRUGS. Richard Nixon and the Goldwater "law and order" movement. The fourth amendment doesn't even EXIST anymore. That's to you and people like you. Freedom? We live in a country of cavity searches. That's about as UNFREE as you can get. Who's idea was that? Not that you care that you've turned our country into a police state. But maybe you should consider that the Fourth amendment protects the others. If they can kick in your doors for any reason, they can take anything in your house. Like your GUNS for instance.

Oh yeah. And George Bush. The great protector of the Constitution. I don't remember you assholes complaining when we got the Patriot Act shoved down are throats.

The truth is the you guys love police states as long as your in control of them.
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 06:37 AM
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32. Oh no?
Then apparently you weren't paying attention! We SCREAMED as loud as we peacefully could, and to no avail. The sooner everyone realizes that people's voices no longer amount to anything, the sooner we can get to some real progress, instead of internet bitching one side about the other. What does that accomplish?

I nearly just blew this site off as nothing more than concentrated left-wing hate.(which it IS, one need only READ for two minutes) But then I thought...how am I helping anyone by ignoring people who are so desperate for truth? Your angers are all self-evident. Name calling, aspersions, tummy poking, finger pointing, etc. etc., yet I see ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about actually trying to RESOLVE anything. Nothing. What are YOUR plans on how to address the nosedive this country is in? Imprison EVERYONE that disagrees with Obama? Sounds a little too Nazi for me. And your party calls US extremists???? Wow...

I would gladly post the URL to my board, except that it's just not worth tormenting my membership with people who are not there to play by our policies. We don't allow hatespeech of any kind, even partisan. We demand that all posts be backed up with documentable links from credible sources, and we are 100% PATRIOTIC, which is something I fear is amiss here. And we cannot tolerate those whose sole purpose is to just trash the other side without trying to do something better...

Joanne, and all of your thug buddies, you have us all wrong. You have judged us ill from the beginning. Let me set you straight on just some of the things you are COMPLETELY ass-backwards on.

For the record:

1. The video you judged me by and reposted(without my consent)is OLD NEWS. That channel is DELETED and the NEW channel is COMPLETELY reformatted now, and has addressed your concerns, as well as SEVERAL other related ones, on SEVERAL occcasions. You failed to do your homework...again...being content just attacking people you don't know or understand. Par for your side of the fence, as history indicates. That's OK, we're used to it.

2. "Gun people" are statistically the ones who end up DYING to protect ALL OF YOUR "RIGHTS" (ever hear of "Minutemen"?) to say what you feel and be who you are. "Protesters" get gassed, tasered and shot up by cops and hosed off the streets by firetrucks. It's happened here before, and it's most assuredly coming again! You think the military is staffed with all anti-gunners? Me thinks you be damned wrong! Hear of the Army major that had orders overturned without comment or question because your candidate is LEGALLY INELLIGIBLE TO BE P.O.T.U.S., and that all orders from him, including POLICY are TOTALLY INVALID and ILLEGAL until such time as eligiblity are PROVEN?

NOTE: I am a VETERAN of TWO branches of military service. Where have YOU served this country in any capacity? EVERYONE *I* knew in the military were ALL "gun people", so think what you will about who will take what side...time unfortunately may tell...ask VETS what THEY think about Obama, and his "change". Hell, ask the CURRENT military...you might not like the answers you get....

3. For just a moment, let's DO talk about Obama, and what he's REALLY doing: He promised common ground on abortion, and failed - now abortion has NEW gov't money! He said he was for "smaller govt", ANOTHER LIE - attempting the biggest political powergrabs in HISTORY! He SWORE to protect the Constitution, yet appoints the most OVERTURNED, DOCUMENTED, RACIST, PRIVATE AGENDA WIELDING Latina to the S.C.O.T.U.S.! Was bad-mouthing Rep spending - I don't even have to comment on that. TRILLIONS. BIRTH CERTIFICATE - Executive Order Number ONE from him: HIDE EVERYTHING ABOUT ME! Come on, folks...48 years of life and not a single trace? They cannot fabricate what does not exist. The list of his lies equals everything he's said from day one! I seem to remember him saying that he was to "unilaterally END the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars"...uh huh...that's why I still have friends and family over there.

Want a list of things to show before we will relax a little, and WHY the "right" is nervous? Here you go:

On his first day in office, January 21, 2009, Obama signed Executive Order 13489. This order was entered into the Federal Register on January 26, 2009.

What this executive order says, is that only the Attorney General (Eric Holder) and Council to the President, (Gregory Craig) are able to review presidential records requests and determine if they can be made public or not. (See Section 3)

In other words, you aren't going to see any records or documents that Obama doesn't want you to see.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that Obama's first official act was to deny access to his records. Obama has lived for 48 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released
Certificate of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

Go ahead, tell me that this is just a coincidence. ANY of this material requested of a Rep president would have him CRUCIFIED were he not to provide it. Obama is the ONLY president in HISTORY to have these kinds of "issues"...

People, we don't make this up, we just report it when we find it.

Try to get to know something about the people you judge so harshly before getting too deep into talking about them. You MIGHT find out that you look like an ass...

Now I know that there will be a barrage of more witty remarks...that's OK. Sarcasm is the defense of those that have no REAL point. I once again have provided FACTS. Now either let's address these in real discussion, or you can simply have your hate...I have no time for it. We AMERICANS have a country to preserve...before your saviour flushes us all down the drain...

MJ
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-21-09 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #32
33. The birther case has been rufuted 12 ways to Sunday
Making a lot of noise won't make it true.

FactCheck.org
Commentary by Cenk Uygur
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:13 AM
Response to Reply #3
9. reply to your attacks....
Such kind words. I welcome you to "poke my tummy". I daresay that had I spoken of you in this manner, you'd be running for your Mod to have me banned. It sure is odd that on our board, we forbid this type of judgemental and discriminatory conduct. But then, rarely has anyone had the stones to say these wonderful things to my face, much less afford people of my belief structure the opportunity to speak on their own position. As was explained, the "ranks" were post facto, and meant absolutely NOTHING apart from indicating someone's level of participation on the board. If you presume to call me a liar, have the personal integrity to do so to my face.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Hey, can we all poke your chubby little belly?
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
30. your board is also invitation only. see? I had speakers volume on
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 06:47 PM
Response to Original message
7. Here's another chart for all you conservative lurkers to look at.


This is the one we're going to tattoo on your ASS when you're in our FEMA death camps!
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-15-09 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. They are truly clueless.
The numbers just don't lie. Americans simply do better economically under Democratic leadership. That is a fact.

'Presidents And Prosperity.'

http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/20/cx_da_0720presidents.html
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #8
15. Modified facts...
Statistically, the economy STARTED tanking during the end of the Clinton administration while public opinion of the Impeached One was dwindling also.

Let's not rewrite history...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:01 AM
Response to Reply #15
18. The economy DID start tanking at the end of Clinton's presidency BECAUSE

The dot com bubble starting popping. We've been living in bubble economies since the eighties. One bubble after the other. And who's idea was that? Greenspan appointed by REAGAN that's who. Tickle down economics. Thanks a fucking lot. The country's broke are you happy now?

You know, I didn't like Clinton either. Even though I voted for him twice I bitched through his whole presidency. De-regulation of energy banking and telecom plus NAFTA and the WTO. I never understood why you guys impeached him he was the best damn republican president you ever had.

But the DEBT was scheduled to be paid off IN FULL by 2008. What happened? GWB happened. 5 trillion in tax cuts for the rich and two wars. That chart isn't a lie. Tax cuts for the rich and wars have caused all the debt. The only other thing that contributed to that was going off the gold standard. And who did that? RICHARD NIXON!

The truth is that YOU CONSERVATIVES screwed the country up. All these problem come from your stupid ideas. And you have the nerve to blame us. Well it's not going to work. There is to much evidence to the contrary.
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StarryNite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. "Impeached One"
Oh, nice touch. That says it all. Yes, Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual sex act where the only thing that died were his sperm. Yet bush was not impeached for lying us into a war where hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women, and children died as well as thousands of American troops.
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:31 AM
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11. Joanne98, perhaps you should check your facts, and my words...
To all judgemental, misinformed posters:

The level of venom that I find on this site is simply appalling. Seems like "hate" to me. Perhaps that new "Anti-Hate Crime" Bill will do something to stop such malicious and slanderous attacks. I am the person appearing in this video, and frankly I am not surprised to see this. It's funny to me how people in your party seem to find only negative, hate, and despair where we try to find the real hope. Civilians owning weapons is what gave you all the rights that you now wipe your butts with. I am a veteran of TWO branches of US military service...and this is how you all treat me. You're welcome. I would STILL honor my oath to defend your rights...even though it is now PAINFULLY apparent that many do not deserve them...

This is the message I sent your board admins in reply to the malicious and hate-filled attacks on my personal character and even the guy's spelling that posted. I hope you are all quite proud. You are all now quite well known! Now, there is some UNDENIABLE information contained herein, so before you all get your blood pressures up and go reporting me to the FBI, know that we have a 100% NO ILLEGALITY POLICY that is STRICTLY ENFORCED. Not to mention a 100% ZERO TOLERANCE trashtalking policy that is equally enforced. So quick to rush to judgement you all are. Name calling, threats, and so on...and WE are the ones that should be jailed? I think some priorities need to be re-adjusted.

Know that for our safety, there are now hundreds of us "dangerous Republicans" occupying this site. Just to see what you all REALLY think and say. So far, it's been nothing but misinformed hate, which is not suprising. We welcome you to OUR board if you are tired of all of this. We practice no hate, no discrimination, and no bigotry. We forbid it. Truth only. Like why your President' FIRST EXECUTIVE ORDER was to SEAL his records...sounds like someone in hiding something to me....

I submit for your reading pleasure:

To whom it may concern,

My name is Mike Jones. I am the person appearing in this video reposted from one of your users, "Joanne98":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

While I admit, I was at first rather irritated at this person's ignorance, intolerance, hypocrisy, and so on, this post is potentially harmful to me. If this person had actually LISTENED to what I said, I declared openly there, as we do NOW, and always WILL: "there is no talk if illegality", "We do not permit ANY type of extremist behavior.", "We PROMOTE: intelligence, safety, legality, Constitutionalism, support and exercise of Our Rights.", and so on. There is NO logical or educated reason to have to have people like this drag us through the mud on forums that profess the rules that yours does.

That being said:

At our forum, we encourage participation from EVERYONE, regardless of party affiliation or partisan view. It makes for objective discussions. This person has made some VERY desparaging comments in their post without actually having LISTENED to what I said, KNOWING any of us, having ANYTHING to do with us, or ever having spoken to me. This person goes so far as to attack the fact that I made a MINOR spelling error while typing. Pretty sad...am I to assume that Democrats NEVER make spelling errors???

"I should be arrested"??? For WHAT? Demanding that our members NOT engage in illegality? For DEMANDING that our members conduct themselves as professionals? Exercising my 1st Amendment Rights? For exercising ANY of my Constitutional Rights? You will note that ALL of our productions DEMAND THOUGHT, and STRICTLY forbid any type of questionable behavior...to the point that we have a verbal disclaimer in MOST of our videos. We ask people to question what they see, and to see beyond all the smoke and mirrors of partisan politics. This bears me being incarcerated??? Oh yeah...gotta love the way THIS lady thinks...let's just jail EVERYONE until their thoughts can be forcefed to them! "Thoughtcrime" supporter, no doubt.

So please tell me...what is it exactly that I should be arrested for? This is plain ludicrous, this type of behavior. As well as inexcusable and unforgivable. For all I know, this lady has gone on the next crusade to nail me to a post for doing what I am CONSTITUTIONALLY GUARANTEED to be able to do! We make it a 100% point to stay within all Constitutional Laws, and to NOT appear as extremists, in FACT, we try very hard to be COUNTER-extremist. Listen to our other videos as evidence...

Were you to visit OUR forum, you would note that we FORBID this kind of behavior. We teach SAFETY and RESPONSIBILITY, Patriotism and Common Sense, and we would not allow this kind of trashtalk.

I am compelled to reiterate: We have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for those that are extremists, and we forbid any talk of anything that could remotely be associated with extremism. We are a PATRIOTIC group, in full accordance with the constitutional law.

In honesty: We are NOT in support of the current Presidential administration for a MULTITUDE of DOCUMENTABLE reasons, as BHO usurped the Office, and as his first Executive Order sealed his records to hide EVERYTHING about his life. He is not legally eligible to be POTUS. No one acts that fast or hard to cover up their past unless they are hiding something. Anyone can see that.

"These types"? "Blow up a federal building"? What part of ANY of what I said constitutes these comments being warranted? If I read correctly, your "terms of use" FORBID this type of behavior. "Extreme remarks, attacks", and so on. Does my party affiliation exclude me from protection from these?

NOWHERE in ANY of our content would ANYTHING give anyone reason to speak like this. It is absoultely assinine for this woman to say something like this, being COMPLETELY uneducated and ignorant of the facts.

Please advise me as to how you plan to handle this.

Your site has been given an "honorable mention" on ours, as well as many others now, and will be watched to maintain that this type of personal attacks to people who have done nothing wrong don't get taken out of context again. This is simply wrong. Nothing was said or done to warrant this type of attack...and that's precisely what it is...an attack. Perhaps the new Dem "anti-hate crime bill" would place THIS person behind bars? Sucks when your own party's politics act against you, no?

We would not tolerate this kind of attack on someone...ever...will you?

Mike
The person appearing in the video in question.
Site Admin
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #11
19. Oh so you're a BIRTHER? Have you thought about seeing a doctor?

I mean really. Just as an experiment. Go to your family physician and tell him you don't think Obama was born in Hawaii. See what he says to you. You just making my point. You're nuts. Crazy people are dangerous if they don't get help and MEDICATION!

Instead of whining to the mods like a baby snitch why don't you hang around for a while and debate you insane theories. We have a forum for that. It's the 911 forum. Or course you'd have to get a star before you could post there.

But you would be surprised at the level of suspicion there is for the federal government that a lot of DUer's hold. There are people here that believe 911 was an inside job too. But WE blame it on GWB because HE was president when it happened. Obama wasn't even a Senator yet.

What really pisses me off about you guys is you are screwing up peoples ability to get to the bottom of things. A lot people here are very worried about the feds. But when you guys put together your youtube videos, pasting theories together whether it makes sense or not, you screw it up for the rest of us.

There are RATIONAL reasons why Americans should be worried. I personally hate the police state with a passion, which is why I SUPPORT GUN OWNERSHIP! Does that shock you? It's mostly about the police kicking people's doors all the time. I figure if everybody owns a gun they will at least have to worry about that.

So I support protecting YOUR favorite amendment but what about mine? What about the fourth?

I watch a lot of the right's youtube videos. Mostly for a laugh. But as long as you guys are playing games you deserve all the BS you get.

I'll tell you what I think you're doing. I think your having a big temper tantrum because you lost the election.

If the time does ever come when we really do have to worry about FEMA death camps, you're the last place anyone would look for help. You not serious about any of this shit. You think it's funny. I bet you guys laugh your ass off everything you post one of your videos.

You're playing games.


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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 11:13 AM
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22. I'll admit that you don't sound like terrorists
But seriously, what do you hope to accomplish with these kinds of tactics? You're encouraging Americans to go around armed and vigilant all the time, which to me is really just another way of saying be armed and paranoid all the time.

Joanne98 may have jumped the gun a little by labeling your particular group terrorists, but try and understand where she's coming from. The type of mentality you're espousing here as well as the tactics have already been associated with more than one terrorist attack. The angry, gun toting white guys that come out of the woodwork whenever there's a Democratic president and start stockpiling weapons. Yes, the overwhelming majority of you will never directly hurt anybody, but your extremism and your emphasis on fear and of being armed is the kind of thing that sets off some of the less stable members of your movement. How many right wing terrorist attacks have there been from people that ascribe to your belief system? We've already had a number of them this year, and it seems the righties are just getting warmed up.

Wake up. There are reasons to be afraid. We as a people do need to be united against a very real threat to America. But what I remain unconvinced of is that you guys loading up on artillery and dressing in military gear have even the faintest idea of where that threat really comes from, and, even if you did, your methods of dealing with it are the wrong ones, at the wrong time, and for the wrong reasons.

Get out of the fucking camo, put down your assault rifles, stop pretending that everything is fucking Red Dawn, and then maybe we can have a real discussion about how to protect America from tyranny.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. Thanks DH. Well put.
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 12:47 PM by Joanne98
:fistbump:

At least I haven't accused them of having "terrorists fistbumps" yet.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:08 PM
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31. why don't you invite me to your board so I can check out what exactly you guys say?
then we'll be sure you're on the up and up. Since your sensibilities are clearly damaged by anything perceived as an attack, I'll be sure and put on my Sunday best and behave.
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PatriotArmory Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 05:37 AM
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12. Additionally, as a member of this board, I remind you....
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. Only 9 posts and you're already telling people what to do!

That's "freedum" for ya! LOL

Mods. I don't care if you pull this thread. It's up to you. I'm not afraid to debate him but if he's not man enough to debate me without crying about the rules then it's a waste of time.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
21. Armories won't protect you from the NWO. The NWO rules with money and law.

Everytime you guys vote to give the rich another tax cut your make them more powerful. Anyone even remotely serious about fighting them would be voting for the far far left. We would take their money away so they couldn't use it as weapons against us.

You, on the other hand, are going to do what? Train and store guns in your house? That's not going to work. Have you ever heard of the LONG arm of the law? They'll just wait you out.

None of your stategy's are useful.

The NWO lives at the WTO. Which you haven't mentioned. I don't blame you. It's to hard to explain why you're supporting the very thing you say you're fighting against.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 11:20 AM
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23. The video about H R 45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKJWgTc6xKQ&feature=channel_page

Patriot Armory covers H R 45, and some other stuff

Once again you ONLY defend the 2nd amendment. GWB did WAY worse than this. Remember warrantless wiretapping? That's unconstitutional too. But you guys support it. YOU support letting the evil government spy on Americans without a warrant. Maybe you're not a wingnut. Maybe you're a secret member of the NWO.

"You'll get you're feet cut off to work in a Diamond mine"

That would be the De Beers corporation. Something the left as fucked with successfully I might add.
http://www.debeers.com/

If you think about who probably belongs to the NWO. De Beers would certainly be one of them. But you probably know that since you didn't mention them.

More proof you're a NWO disinformation agent.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 04:40 PM
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27. This guy is a laugh riot.
I watched a few of his videos and I can swear I heard his mom yell through his bedroom door asking if he wanted cheesy poofs for dinner.
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