PHONE CALL PROOF MANDATORY VACCINATIONS USA Part 1

[StarryNite]

Run time: 09:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msdj6HL-XRw   Posted on YouTube: July 15, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 18, 2009 By DU Member: StarryNite Views on DU: 3003

 
Interesting...Part 2 can be seen at...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmxpgN2dRjk

[stray cat]

1. You tube as valid news?

[StarryNite]

2. This is the Political Video page...

or so I thought. And it only takes YouTube videos so if you don't give them any credence then what are you doing here? :shrug:

[The Wielding Truth]

27. If swine flu were in a visibly threatening pandemic drive, it would be

non-sensical for anyone to refuse the vaccine. It would be a national threat that would require,the shot, a necessity for everyone.

Truthfully, I can also see his hesitance. Trust in government is essential to the administration in a national campaign.

If he wished to be an exception, I doubt that he would be forced to comply. However, if he posed a danger he could possiblly expect to be asked to refrain from contact with others who have not yet acquired immunity to the virus.

I think that if this fella were to see the flu coming, he would do what ever it took to protect himself and his family. He just cannot see the bigger picture, and that he MAY have to risk the shot to save lives.

[StarryNite]

28. People need to be informed

so they can make an educated decision for themselves and their families. Too many just "do as their told" without even trying to know what risks might be involved.

Vaccines are explicitly acknowledged not to protect against the diseases they supposedly are designed to prevent (read the Package Inserts for vaccines, available on line and in your doctors’ offices if you doubt that) and often to result in the very disease to which they are supposed to make you immune or in other types of side effects such as serious allergic reactions, including anaphylactic shock and Guillain-Barré Syndrome.

Package Inserts and Manufacturers
for some US Licensed
Vaccines and Immunoglobulins

Go here and then click on Vaccine name for package insert (most are PDFs); click on name of Manufacturer for link.

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

As far as staying away from others who have not yet acquired immunity to the virus, well then those people should also stay away from anybody who has not yet acquired immunity to the virus. Of course, even those who receive the vaccine may not have immunity either. I would be more than happy to self-quarantine if there was a real epidemic because I would not only be protecting others, I would also be protecting myself. Have I positively ruled out a vaccination? No, not necessarily. I'm just trying to be an informed consumer.

[Robb]

3. LOL

And the guy at the other end sounds like a Constitutional lawyer. :rofl:

[StarryNite]

4. Let's hope

he doesn't know what he's talking about.

[madrchsod]

5. there will be no mandatory vaccinations because--there`s not enough vaccine!

we have to buy our vaccine from foreign countries`s labs! yes! we do not make the two vaccines that work on this strain of flu! if the strain mutates then the world faces tens of millions of deaths. see..no matter what-we are fucked

[StarryNite]

6. Don't panic yet...

they have no idea what this flu is going to do, if anything. Which makes me wonder why they are already trying so desperately to scare people.

[madrchsod]

15. i have no idea either....i read the latest report from a lab in madison wisconsin....

they tested samples from around the world and each sample reacted to the two vaccines that are available. so far the swine flu has`t mutated.

oh yes i was trying to be sarcastic....

[StarryNite]

17. Good to know

that it hasn't mutated yet. So often the vaccines they give are outdated due to mutations. So not only are the people taking the risk of side effects from all the crap that's in them, they're useless against the virus anyway.

[Ian David]

7. Go hide in your mom's basement. Geesh. Unrec. n/t

[seeker4ever]

8. Interesting Legal and Moral Question - Similar to Abortion?

The basic bargain of civilization: an individual must give up some personal freedom in exchange for the benefits of being in a civilized society. Jacobson sought to enjoy the benefit of his neighbors being vaccinated for smallpox without personally accepting the risks inherent in vaccination. The Court rejected Jacobson's claim which it viewed as an attempt to be a free-rider on society.

Jacobson v. Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905)

Mr. Jacobson believed that the scientific basis for vaccination was unsound and that he would suffer if he was vaccinated. The Massachusetts Supreme Court found the statute consistent with the Massachusetts state constitution, and Jacobson appealed to the United States Supreme Court. The Supreme Court examined the issue of whether involuntary vaccination violated Jacobson's "'inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as seems to him best . . . " The Court bifurcated this question, first considering the right of the state to invade Jacobson's person by forcing him to submit to vaccination:

This court has more than once recognized it as a fundamental principle that "persons and property are subjected to all kinds of restraints and burdens, in order to secure the general comfort, health, and prosperity of the State; of the perfect right of the legislature to do which no question ever was, or upon acknowledged general principles ever can be made, so far as natural persons are concerned."' (at 26)

With this language, the Court stated the basic bargain of civilization: an individual must give up some personal freedom in exchange for the benefits of being in a civilized society. Jacobson sought to enjoy the benefit of his neighbors being vaccinated for smallpox without personally accepting the risks inherent in vaccination. The Court rejected Jacobson's claim which it viewed as an attempt to be a free-rider on society.

The Court next considered Jacobson's right to contest the scientific basis of the Massachusetts vaccination requirement. Accepting that some reasonable people still questioned the efficacy of vaccination, the Court nonetheless found that it was within the legislature's prerogative to adopt one from many conflicting views on a scientific issue.

[StarryNite]

11. I think so...

in that it has to do with what people are allowed to do or not to do with their own body.

[winyanstaz]

9. I have not read the supreme court cases but I have studied the

Constitution..and NOWHERE does it give congress or the courts or anyone else the right to declare mandatory shots for adults.
If I am wrong, please clarify and quote the exact area I might find this in the United States Constitution as I would love to know where it can be found.

[Grinchie]

16. The sad thing is that Vaccinations depends on Monomorphism.

Which was adopted by Pasteur and Industry to promote drugs and simplistic approaches to disease. Beachamp and others throughout History have fought against thiswhitewash for almost a century now, because it would destroy many of the estblished tenets of Medicine, and shake it to it's very core. There are cures for these things, without subjecting millions of people to mutated animal dna and other sordid proteins. Once they get it, you are never going to get them out of your body.

Jacobson v Massachusetts: It’s Not Your Great-Great-Grandfather’s Public Health Law

In 1927, in Buck v Bell, the US Supreme Court upheld a Virginia law that authorized the involuntary sterilization of “feeble minded” persons in state institutions.48 Theories of eugenics enjoyed some medical and scientific support during the 1920s and 1930s.49 The Court found that the law served the public health and welfare because “mental defectives” would produce degenerate criminal offspring or imbeciles who “sap the strength of the state.”48(p207) In a chilling opinion, Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes concluded:
Society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v Massachusetts, 197 US 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.48(p207)

Jacobson was cited as support for the general principle that public welfare was sufficient to justify involuntary sterilization. The decision extended the police power’s reach from imposing a monetary penalty for refusing vaccination to forcing surgery on a young woman against her will and depriving her of the ability to have children.50 The Court did not require the state to demonstrate that sterilization was necessary and not arbitrary or oppressive. This suggests that the Court did not view Jacobson as having required any substantive standard of necessity or reasonableness that would prevent what today would be considered an indefensible assault. The Court did not even consider that Carrie Buck might have any right to personal liberty. With the Court’s imprimatur of involuntary sterilization laws, more than 60 000 Americans, mostly poor women, were sterilized by 1978.51

[StarryNite]

18. The WHO...

WHO has the power to order forced vaccination in 194 countries
By birdflu666

The International Health Regulations (IHR) pursuant to Article 21 of the Constitution of WHO came into force in June 2007 and allow the General-Director of WHO to declare an international health emergency.

In such a case, the Director-General can impose regulations, including “sanitary and quarantine requirements and other procedures designed to prevent the international spread of disease”, also travel restrictions.

In the event of WHO declaring a pandemie, WHO has the authority to order forced vaccinations around the world.

All 194 signatory countries to IHR must comply. A list of countries which have signed the WHO Constitution can be found under this link.

http://www.who.int/countries/en/

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/who-has-the-power-to-order-forced-vaccines-in-194-countries/


Geez! Now I'm going to have Pinball Wizard stuck in my head for the rest of the night.

[Grinchie]

29. The Irony is that the carrying capacity of the Earth is already exceeded

And that every day, the planet is inexorably dragged to the point where more species go extinct.

So what do the brainiacs propose? Save more lives, especially against the individuals will! Most certainly because we can extract more money from them.

People are so stupid that they can't see the apporaching overshoot, and go along with these harebrained schemes imposed by the "Rule of Law" that only seems to apply to the "Little Man"

[StarryNite]

10. Vaccine Nation

Vaccine Nation
Stephen Marshall, November 20, 2002

~snip~

The legacy of the Bush family’s ties to U.S. pharmaceutical interests and, specifically, Eli Lilly, is an exhaustive subject of research itself. Suffice it to say, there is ample evidence for us to understand the current Bush Administration’s desire to provide sanctuary for the company from its ever increasing number of alleged victims. What is, perhaps, more alarming than this blatant level of political cronyism is the little known MEHPA legislation and the direct implications it holds for citizens and doctors who refuse to trust the vaccines forced upon them by this government and its allegedly, criminally, negligent pharmaceutical backers.

To backtrack, the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act was first drafted in December, 2001. Four days before Christmas, actually, so we can safely assume that it was not something that was encountered with the most reassuring degree of public scrutiny. But, as with much of the post-9/11 legislation, the Act came into being and was swiftly endorsed by one of the Bush Administration’s seemingly endless entourage of white knights. In this case, Dept. of Health and Human Services Secretary, Tommy Thompson. In describing the new legislation, even the typically bland USA Today Health and Science reporter Mimi Hall could not veil its ominous potential:

A model law developed for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and provided to state legislatures last year would give authorities the right to enforce quarantines, vaccinate people, seize and destroy property without compensation, and ration medical supplies, food and fuel in a public-health emergency. In other words, the worst-case-scenario interpretation of the legislation is that U.S. citizens living in MEHPA adopting states will: • have a mandatory vaccination or be charged with a crime, • get a mandatory medical exam, or be charged with a crime and, Furthermore, • doctors in those states will give the exam or be charged with a crime • property can be seized if there is “reasonable cause to believe” that it may pose a public health hazard... it can be burned or destroyed and you will not have recourse or compensation. Now, as far as the powers granted to the State Governor under the provisions of the Act, they are what you would expect.

The Governor is granted unrestricted power to declare an emergency at his own discretion. The legislature cannot interfere for at least 60 days and, even after that deadline, a two-thirds vote of both chambers would be needed to block the dictatorial powers.

Since the latest reports regarding the number of states that had passed the law were from last summer, we cannot confirm their accuracy. But, as of late July, USA Today reported that “16 states and the District of Columbia have passed all or parts of the model law. It has been rejected or stalled in 22 states.” One of the first states to pass it was Secretary Thompson’s own Wisconsin (he was formerly the Governor). And, as Barbara Flynn, founder of CHERUBS reported, the criminalization of vaccine-resistors is hardly symbolic:

On February 27, 2002, the Wisconsin Legislature passed a Mandated Vaccination/ Emergency Health Powers Act which calls for a $10,000 fine and/or nine months in prison for those who refuse vaccinations.

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/HealingRegeneration/html/VaccineNation.html

[Robb]

12. Double LOL

Now here's a news source right here. Good logos are key to good reporting.

[OhioChick]

13. Thanks for the seizure...

:rofl:

[StarryNite]

14. Don't take your eye off the ball..

just because you don't like a particular source. Do your own research. Find your own sources that say otherwise. Then share.

[Confusious]

19. Republicans and anti-vaccers

In a race to kill us all.

[StarryNite]

20. I think if they have a vaccine that works

and it has been tested for safety, then it should be a choice whether or not to have it.

[Confusious]

21. All vaccines work. If you decide not to have it

I support dumping you in the woods somewhere. Babies have died in San Diego because of stupid dumb ass crack anti-vaccers.

You want to live in the middle ages? I'm more then willing to dump you in the forest somewhere.

[StarryNite]

22. They can only work against the intended virus.

If that virus mutates the chance of them working is slim. And of course there are risks involved in taking them.

[Confusious]

23. 99% of virii don't mutate that fast

What risks? 1 in 10 thousand MAY have a bad reaction. More people are allergic to peanuts. Should we ban peanuts?

More people then that have a bad reaction to aspirin. Should we go into hysterics about the evil doctors and their conspiracies when someone has a bad reaction to aspirin?

Small Pox. 40% mortality rate, extremely contagious. A disease which killed hundreds of millions over recorded history.

BECAUSE OF VACCINES IT IS GONE.

What do you and people like you offer?

Nothing. smoke. mirrors. Maybe even deaths.

Take a science class. Become literate.

[StarryNite]

24. Why are you so hostile?

Can't you argue on an adult level?

The difference is that people aren't being forced to eat peanuts and take aspirin. And every flu season it is only a guess as to which flu is going to be going around. They aren't always correct on their call.

btw, I have had vaccinations, as did my kids.

[Confusious]

25. Am I hostile?

I'm tired of the relentless attacks on science. From the left and right.

I'm tired of people listening to anti-vaccine crap. People who listen to this sort of thing put other peoples lives in danger.

My CHILD. My Family.

The San Diego thing was the last straw for me. If you post it, defend it, even a little squishy on it, I'm hostile.

As far as your vaccines, I see everything is OK. Why post this, why defend this? It the same as saying the moon landing didn't happen.

[StarryNite]

26. This is a video about rights.

This video was not about if vaccinations work or even if they are dangerous. It's about whether the government has the right to force people to get them that don't want them. Does the government have the right to decide what goes into our body? Just as does it have the right to choose if a woman should be allowed to have an abortion?

And why are you in such a panic? If you are convinced that the vaccinations will work and your family gets them then why are you so afraid?

[Grinchie]

30. That fine with me. In fact, I live in a whole forest, and am probably safer than you ever will be.

I'm also a lot healthier than you, smarter than you, and am closer to the earth than you.

You won't have to "Dump" me anywhere, because your system is so fucked up, it's just not putting up with the bullshit people like you create for yourself.

If I still believed that Corporations cared for their customers, i'd consider trusting them, but the fraud has been exposed as nothing more than a profit motive. Automated processes didn't identify the fact that Baxter mixed two live strains of virii together. It was a lab doing due diligence that found it.

You are under the impression that an apple is an apple, or that Humans are identical machines. You are mistaken. Your mechanistic view on life will destroy you.

[StarryNite]

31. I wish I lived in a forest.

Not just because of the this flu which may or may not turn into the big deal we are being told that it is. But forests are cool, especially to a desert dweller like myself.

Grinchie have you looked at the website "Package Inserts and Manufacturers
for some US Licensed Vaccines and Immunoglobulins"? http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm

I'd like to know how anybody could read over that information and be completely confident in the efficacy or safety of these vaccines.

[Grinchie]

32. You nailed it. People other than you and me do not read the inserts

And most people, even if they did, would not understand them due to the complex nature of the jargonese that they are written in to obscure the essence of the warnings contained therein.

The mojority of American still believe that there Father/God/Government/Politcal System will save them. Meanwhile, they ignore increasing pollution, GMO foods that are nothing more than plastic reproductions of what was once called food, which also contain poisonous toxins and toxic enzymes in minute quantities, inevitably weakening their immune systems until some stress appears and then they are overwhelmed with the millions of bacertia and microbes that are alreadsy present in their system.

Not no mention the psychological plague of compulsory belief and obedience despite flagrant violations of the laws of nature. The American society is ready to pop, and the Powers that be are going to be there, popping in in the most profitable way.

I'd like for once to see a motion picture of the live so called "Swine Flu virus". They can manipulate singe carbon atoms with atomic force microscopy, but are somehow unable to view a viable, infectious virus without killing it.

[tnlefty]

41. Who are these anti-vaccers that you refer to?

My husband, my children and I have had all of the childhood vaccinations with periodic boosters for tetanus as needed, our feline has a once yearly appointment for boosters and a rabies shot.

Hubby received a flu shot 2 yrs. in a row because they were free at work. He was sick 2 yrs. in a row, and no one else in the household became sick when he was and he hasn't had the flu since he quit getting the free shots. The kids and I don't get flu vaccines, and we don't (knock on wood) get the flu. I don't want a mandatory flu vaccine. If it gets to the point where there are outbreaks around us, we'll stay home as I'm sure many others would do, too.

[StarryNite]

42. Well tnlefty you get it...

unlike a few of the others who have commented on this video. It is about the right to choose. Funny how some people would scream bloody murder if their choice of having an abortion were to be taken away, yet they see nothing wrong with forced vaccinations. I just don't get it. :shrug: At this point we have no idea if or when that might happen. But I am not at all comfortable with the government having the choice of what goes into or comes out of my body.

[Bushknew]

33. StarryNite, listen to this at 7:00 minutes in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsB7_UTIag&feature=related

[StarryNite]

34. Wow!

And people think we're crazy to be suspicious. And they condemn the ones of us who just want to make informed choices. And they ridicule us for putting information out so others can watch and read and make their own informed choices. Sometimes I wonder if some people just don't want any information because it's just easier for them to be told what to do than to do their homework and figure things out for themselves.

Thank you so much Bushknew for sharing that video with me. I appreciate it.

[Bushknew]

35. Given what has happened to other people, I think it's crazy not to be suspicious

Like you, my only intent for posting this information is to * help * people at least make an informed decision.

If they call us crazy conspiracist, so be it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7M_TZpQiIY

[StarryNite]

36. Thanks once again.

I had forgotten about that case. Another sad story swept under the rug. I wonder how he is doing by now? Ahh but there are probably those that think it's all in his head because our government would never do anything that would harm us. :eyes:

Yeah, I don't care if they call people like us crazy conspiracists either. I just let those insults bounce right off of my tinfoil hat. After all, I'd rather be a conspiracist than an unthinking sheeple.

[bjobotts]

37. Yeah, I'd rather pass along the epidemic than be forced to be vaccinated

[bjobotts]

38. We need to get rid of a lot of these kids and population in general anyway

[winyanstaz]

39. Shame on you

or are you suggesting we start with you?

[StarryNite]

40. If the vaccinations work so well

then how would the people who choose not to get them endanger the ones that did get them? :shrug:

[Howzit]

43. That is an incredibly good point

Will the authoritarians allow freedom of individual choice? After all, if half the people elect not to be vaccinated they may still infect the rest. If they allow you to decline vaccination they will have to allow that for everyone, and they can't have that.

Mandatory vaccination makes me cringe; a sort of Jones Town gut reaction.

[StarryNite]

44. It makes me cringe too.

And it should make everybody cringe. And I don't think these vaccines are going to be well tested for safety.


From The Times
July 13, 2009
Swine flu vaccine rushed through safety checks

~snip~
It takes several weeks or months to make flu vaccines, which are cultured using chicken eggs. The European Medicines Agency said the fast-tracked approval procedure has involved trials of a “mock-up” vaccine and that the speed would not compromise patient safety. “The vaccines are authorised with a detailed risk management plan,” the agency said.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6694046.ece?Submitted=true