The Most Serious Breach of the Presidential Records Act *Ever*

[MiaCulpa]

Run time: 07:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8YloRqa1s   Posted on YouTube: June 19, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 19, 2007 By DU Member: MiaCulpa Views on DU: 3161

 
Another segment from Monday(6-18-07) evening's Olbermann, and the topic is those missing White House emails.

-Diane

[Connonym]

1. Disgusting but probably nobody will ever be held responsible

I'm so discouraged by it all

[Massachusetts]

2. Article 1 Sec 2 U.S. Constitution

Long overdue for use with these traitors (bu$h et al).

[Solo_in_MD]

3. So what? Is there a penalty attached?

And that is the crux of the issue.

[sbyte]

11. Suggestion.

If it is true that political laws have been violated by elected officials and nominating party(RNC). Then there is no amount of information that the other party might get that will be able to rectify to right the situation in time for the next election cycle. In this case, the best remedy would to be to bar the party (the RNC) from taking part in the next election cycle. Or give the Other parties special rights that give them advantage in the next contest.

[Solo_in_MD]

21. Its not policial law...as fundraising might be characterized

Also it was done on an individual basis

[jtrockville]

4. 5 MILLION whitehouse.gov emails missing too!

Why doesn't anyone talk about this violation of the Presidential Records Act?

These emails are missing from their own servers!

[Clovis Sangrail]

9. link please

I don't follow this religiously and have no idea what you're talking about.
:shrug:

[jtrockville]

14. Here's some background from CREW

Citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington (CREW) issued a report called "Without a Trace" in April. In the press release, they mention ~ 5 million emails missing from the WHITEHOUSE.GOV domain. 2 of the three PRA violations listed in CREW's report are for these missing emails, not the ones missing from the RNC domain.

Press Release:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27607

Fact Sheet (good explanation of RNC vs WHITEHOUSE.GOV scandal):
http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/27659

Sorry for skipping the details before.

[Clovis Sangrail]

20. thanks

:toast:

[valerief]

5. You can't use the word VILE often enough with these WH thieves. nt

[paparush]

6. Time to sieze some servers and get busy with some hard drive data recovery..

[wordpix]

22. geez, I thought that time was about 4 mos. ago or more

Let's get those computers seized, Dems!

[FloridaJudy]

7. Also "despicable" and "unconscionable" n/t

[LonelyLRLiberal]

8. The WH criminal enterprise is as out of control as Iraq.

You just can't keep up with any of the crimes they commit, just like you can't stop the killing in Iraq.

I don't know how this country can make it to the end of the Bush disaster, or how it can recover.

[wordpix]

23. BushCo's set us back three hundred years, if we ever recover

[Imagevision]

10. Interesting, and Bush doesn't need Senate approval to attack Iran,

the next President is sure to have no down time from campaigning before he/she jumps into the new next war!!

[L. Coyote]

12. WAXMAN: 88 WH officials used RNC e-mail, KARL ROVE = 140,216 e-mails YAOZAAAH

Recent GD DU thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1135241

Surprise: "The RNC has preserved 140,216 e-mails sent or received by Karl Rove"

OMG, now that will be a Doc Dump! Are we having fun yet?? .............

[whistle]

16. But RNC is not releasing any of those emails are they?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. Can we get the emails back?

Or does Rove really think the Dems and the American People are the enemy and there's no holds barred in what he can do to protect Bush?

[whistle]

15. Criminals and thugs thumbing their noses and shooting the fingers at the American public

...Al Gonzales allowed this to happen by not taking any action to ensure that electronic records would be preserved so the prosecution should begin with him. Arrest the bastard and put him on trial. Follow that with KKKarl rove and just go through all White House staff who had anything to do with this. Crimes have been committed lets lets start arresting!

[connecticut yankee]

17. It will never happen

they've hijacked the government, the Constitution, laws and overall decency.

[wordpix]

24. a lot of these people would have been SS/brown shirts for Hitler

[peacetheonlyway]

18. come on DU hackers

where have you been.

why doesn't DU house the archive of these missing RNC emails?

i mean it can't be that hard to UNDELETE these damn emails, any highschool drop out can hack that far into the servers and undelete the emails.

i wanna know who has them and which blogger is going to break the story of who has the emails.

i'm pretty sure there is some RNC geek that can be bought for an upgraded PC...

let's get busy guys. do some homework. we are THIS CLOSE TO TAKING DOWN THE WHOLE house of cards, and this group is the technical group to do it.

according to the open records act, those records BELONG TO ME THE CITIZEN,so i can request the open records and then sue the white house when they can't comply.

citizens have power here, let's use it...

[19jet54]

19. Interesting news-piece & threads of response...

... however, I wish to be a stick in the mud here:

Pre-email era, these laws were written. At that time business was conducted via phone & written letter. The laws are thus regarding voice & phone - no unauthorized wiretap or recording are to be made; thus the laws discussed regarding "record retention" apply to written material.

Today's email era - much of the email replaces voice, but is also written; so how does the law exactly apply? And with the Freedom of Information Act, does everyone have legal access to everything? Many HR & Legal person in government wish to eliminate IS/IT period because of these concerns. I do not believe these issues have played their natural course in the Judicial system.

Ironically, one of the Federal Circuit Courts was to address privacy and this very issue on Sept 11, 2001 having been victims themselves to email snooping. With the attacks in NY, the case was never addressed and the Patriot Act changed everything. But in time of war, national secrets and secrecy abound with self declared Presidential War Powers to do anything, until the courts rule otherwise.

The issue here is very complicated but the Bush administration via the Patriot Act opened the flood gates regarding voice recordings (remember the Cold War USSR taping everything) and now we do it too. They have trapped themselves between a rock and a hard place. Even if nothing happens legally, politically we can show their misdeeds and win votes here. Regardless of this issue, the Iraq conflict is sinking their ship anyway. Let's just hope there are no political survivors to damage our future.

[wordpix]

25. "no political survivors to damage our future"--if BushCheney aren't IMPEACHED,

their entire BushCo operation will survive at least to the extent they won't get punished and will make off with their riches, whethber they're now in government, with Big Oil or Big Development.