TYT: Is Rahm Emanuel Playing Politics Correctly?

[DuLover2k9]

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[babylonsister]

1. How does anyone know Rahm is involved? Is this speculation? nt

[NYC Democrat]

2. yes it is Rahm has not said anything about health care reform for a while though I suspect

he is with the people in the white house who care only about passage and the politics of the bill rather then the make up of the bill.

[Why Syzygy]

3. Not true.

He told the progressive Senators to sit down and shut up.

[Strong Atheist]

14. Welcome to DU!

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[GivePeaceAchance]

5. Yeah it was Rahm it looks, politically Obama feels he needs Rahm but democratically ...

he'll need us whether sometimes he wants us or not. We can just as much be President Obama's advisor as Rahm as long as the push is persuasive enough. We've moved a few mountains in the last couple of years, I'm sure we can move a few more in time.

[tooeyeten]

7. not speculation

it's already been reported he's in the middle of this. My only question, when is he replaced?

[GivePeaceAchance]

4. He's got the game down to a tee, but the game has to be changed and hopefully...

folks don't get discourage and keep up the fight. 'The zombies will always be at the gates.'

[pundaint]

8. From now on only fight for candidates who fight for us.

My rep and remaining senator have allowed their offices to say that they understand that single payer is the best option. They both take millions from corporations with interests antithetical to those of the people, they both saw fixing the economy as restoring the bankers bonuses, and they are both democrats who aren't worth a damn. There is no fighting against this corrupt system by trying to convince them. They are winners who have joined the elite oppressors. It is not enough to be not republicans, in fact, it's turning out to be nothing at all.

It is now time for us to find candidates and a party who, once elected, carry the peoples fight. We are already sold out by the Democrats. The People must create a party that recognizes that this country was created by people fighting against the tyranny of generational wealth. Now the Corporations have stolen our government. We will take it back peacefully if we find wise leaders who understand the peril, violently if the greedy class continues its current course, or we will cease to be america as the political and business classes cement their immunity from the trivial suggestions as to behavior which the constitution has become for them.

America wake up! you are lost in a dream and have drifted into an abyss.

[Strong Atheist]

15. Belated Welcome to DU!

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[SergeStorms]

10. Didn't Obama promise to stop playing the game?

He ran on a platform of changing the way business was done in Washington, in essence, to stop playing the political games for which Washington is known. Then he chose the biggest political gamesman in the US to be his Chief of Staff. It didn't make sense to me when he chose him, and it doesn't make sense to me now. :shrug:

[RandomThoughts]

6. You forgot something.

The Far Right and the corporate interest are never satisfied, they always want more and more.

So when 2012 rolls around, if there was not a public option, they could do what ever they want with insurance prices and blame it on President Obama's health care, while millions of people are also complaining about a mandate given to insurance companies, and low income people given tax dollars in the form of money to give to the insurance companies because of a mandate.

As the insurance companies would be getting more profit, those same companies could raise prices and then through surrogates call all Democrats ridiculous since they passed the bills that gave them more profit, so they could get Republican in office to give them even more profit. Literally what they got away with they would use to further thump the Democrats for letting them get away with it.



If there is a public option and they raise prices, people can say, see this is why we need the public option, since social control or profit only raising of prices would not happen in the public option, by raising profits they would increase the reason for needing the public option. And the differential between the public option, and the private option would increase.

If they lower prices to make the public option less of an advantage, then the public option did what it was suppose to do, it provided the competition.


The key component most democrats miss is they think in terms of fairness or what is right, or in working together. In the mind set of always wanting more, those things do not compute. You make a fair deal and think they will play along, but profit systems wont stick to a fair deal, they can't, if they did they would be removed and replaced for not trying to make more profit.


The one sticking point is that they may try to get businesses to drop coverage and then blame it on reform. But they already do that if it is not profitable. The refusal of care of higher price patients to make the public option more expensive becomes there only action to make the public option seem bad, which is why rules on preexisting conditions and refusal of care are also needed.

If the Insurance companies have the ability to set prices, they have already shown they will use that ability to make more profits, and getting far right Republicans elected is one way they would act to try and raise profits. If you think some deal will stop them, you have not watched history, they are willing to throw anyone under the bus for profit, even the Republican party that supported them for years, they are willing to shatter to fight the public option, look what they have made them look like just to try and defend profits and social control. If you make a deal they will not honor it, because anyone in there group that does will be replaced by someone that wants more profit.


This is no direct offense to people in the insurance companies or corporate America, many are really good people, but they have a charter to make profit, and they know that. Only regulation and competition can give them an opportunity at delivering a product and not social control by hurting people.

[DirtyDawg]

9. Every evil...every argument...has one root cause...

...in fact the future of the country is predicated on what was said about Campaign Finance Reform, and specifically, public financing of all campaigns. I say this to everyone on every issue - and I don't get any argument from them either. Our 'leaders' are obsessed with getting re-elected, and why, so they can make more money...our 'leaders' take all these contributions because they have the excuse that it costs a lot of money to fund elections...most of which they never spend on campaigns, by the way. With public financing we will have removed that excuse and they will be forced to 'vote their, and/or their constituent's, consciences'. Sure there will always be crooks, liars and thieves, but at least this way they'll have to work harder to keep from getting caught at it.

[Enthusiast]

11. And you would be correct.

Changing this would meet with the kind of resistance we are now witnessing on health care reform. And it is no wonder. For all intents and purposes we are now living under corporate rule.

[rudy23]

12. I think Rahm has a mastery of the political game --- as it was played in 1996.

A LOT has changed since then. The Republicans have run one of the worst administrations in history, and instead of running away from that, we're trying to show that we can be like that, too.

[The Wizard]

13. Rahm Emanuel

is the President's torpedo, enforcer and firewall. He doesn't know shit about big picture politics.
He's the ultimate infighter, but on the big stage he's a lightweight.