NOAM CHOMSKY TAKES WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY'S LUNCH-EATS IT

[johntully]

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NOAM CHOMSKY TAKES WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY'S LUNCH

-EATS IT

[defendandprotect]

1. Never been able to abide/watch Buckley . . .

Love Chomsky...
I'd like to see a rematch on this today . . . with lots more time and Buckley not interrupting.

Obviously, Buckley's reality is in the "right to be Royal" . . .
and I don't know that he has ever grown up.

Or -- as someone else put it recently, he was engaged in Catholicism's rule by hierarchy.

[Tom Joad]

2. Nice to see Chomsky as a younger fellow.

[file83]

3. Noam Chomsky was like Good Will Hunting in this exchange.

Buckley is a smart man and you can tell that he is NOT used to debating someone WAY smarter than him.

Chomsky didn't let anything slip by.

That was a beautiful clip of a civil, yet brutal, intellectual smack down.

[Hulk]

4. My definition if "male pussy"....

This "pussy" needs to expend a little bit of energy when he moves his lips. Try "breathing out with forced air to create sounds, words, etc". It's painful to watch this dickhead mumble his words and rant on when Chomsky is talking. What a pompous prick.

[MilesColtrane]

5. Same tactics as RW radio/TV hosts...

Never let your guest finish a thought or sentence, interrupt them if you think they're about to stick a knife in your argument. If they persist deflect by going on a tangent. When you're wrong about a point of history, ignore it.

Bill Buckley + prefrontal lobotomy = Bill O'Reilly

[ixion]

12. yep...and always be sure to offer a condescending reply, openly mocking your opponent

because that's just good sportsmanship. :grr:

[SharonAnn]

23. And flip your hair a lot and cross and uncross your legs (Ann Coultergeist)

[shain from kane]

18. Buckley vs. Chomsky = O'Reilly vs. Jesse Lange

[Conscious Confucius]

6. Can we just hire Mr. Chomsky do debate all from now on?

Concerning historical knowledge and political intent, this man is without peer.

I couldn't help but notice that Mr. Chomsky looked and sounded a lot like Tony Perkins.

[On the Road]

10. Why Do You Think

you never see Chomsky on the cable channels or talk radio? Can you imagine what he would do to Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly? Buckley at least accepted the challenge and gave him some air time.

[Conscious Confucius]

7. Notice also how Buckley slips in the Anti-American bit

Because as we all know, if you are critical of your country's actions, you officially hate said country.

The following was stated by that crazy leftist socialist Theodore Roosevelt:

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

[bleever]

8. That was fascinating ln term of the linguistics, the psychology,

the sociology, and so much more.

It's like viewing a fossil from an era we're reliving.

[ixion]

13. yeah, except the level of conversation is now not much more than grunts

and growls and sound bites, compared to the level of this conversation. I think it shows how far we've fallen academically over the past few decades.

[pnorman]

9. I had seen a video clip of what must have been their first debate.

Buckley then as now, was a master of supercilious intellectual brow-beating. Chomsky then, appeared ill-prepared for such tactics, and in my opinion, "lost on points". (Considering my great admiration for Chomsky, I may have leaned too far over to be "fair"). But not this time. Chomsky seemed to have taken his measure, and was well-prepared. He looked GOOD! If there was a third bout, I believe Buckley would most definitely have lost his cool!

pnorman

[Joe Chi Minh]

11. You get the impression Buckley was talking to himself - in a spirit of fiercely

intense narcissism. He was not so much trying to rebut Chomsky's arguments as protect his own physical appearance, make sure the parting in his hair wouldn't be moved out of place by so much as millimetre. The merest movement of his neck would have represented a threat to his beautiful self-image.

It's a pity Chomsky didn't say to Buckley, "You make it so easy for me, with your ignorance of the most basic historical facts. I'm glad this is the first of series of debates.

I saw another clip - on the box, I think - of an interview of Chomsky with another right-wing numbskull, a European, maybe Dutch, who went right off his head.

[leftchick]

14. wow! now that is must see tv!

No wonder you never see Chomsky, Zinn and other left intellectuals on TV anymore. They are too good!

[rainy]

15. This just pisses me off. It reminds me of the great minds out there

that NEVER get air time. This is a shame and I can't take it anymore. I'm so sick of the truth and brilliance of these people being ignored for pompus arrogance and ignorance. I want more chompsky on air NOW. I'm going to write some news stations and demand some intelligent truthies get more air time. They only interview the ridiculous lefties like Al Sharpton for the left view. Why not bring in Chompsky when they need an explanation?

[NotGivingUp]

16. buckley needs to be stripped of everything he has and

made to work in a slave shop 16 hours a day. these assholes have been ruling us and most of the world for far too long. time for a change...a BIG change.

[TomClash]

17. As an aside, notice how comparatively civilized the discourse is - even from the odious Buckley

Can't imagine Michael Savage or Ann Coulter actually parsing words rather than spewing them.

[tomreedtoon]

19. Why isn't this on TV? No one would watch it!

I'm modestly intelligent. Modestly, I say. I couldn't follow the conversation between the two. I am not a specialist in history or politics. Only people who ARE could follow a tenth of what they were saying.

Also, for the record, my first year of employment, I worked at a PBS station. I saw a LOT of Buckley. I found it impossible to find a pair of waders long enough for me to wade through his swamp of words.

While it may feel good to smack down Buckley, I have to say I tried and failed to understand Chomsky, either. I feel more comfortable with Stewart, Colbert, Bartcop and the occasional campaign video on DU than with any of this intellectual smoke and mirrors.

So, while this debate might thrill an Eastern university audience, it does nothing to clarify issues or philosophy for all of us who live normal lives and have real jobs. And that's why this isn't on TV, except for Public TV, where big corporations can pay Buckley the bucks to keep talking.

[personman]

21. I sympathize.

What you're saying reminds me of when I first started watching Democracy Now and more alternative media. I literally could not follow what people were saying. I've watched it for awhile now, and been listening to people like Chomsky and Zinn for a few years since, and I get things much quicker now (although I always gain from repeat viewings.) As one of the posters said above, it does seem like discourse has really been dumbed down. This is one example, but go back and listen to the speakers of the 50s and 60s, MLK, Malcolm X, Kennedy's speech on separation of church and state comes to mind... I don't really hear people who speak like that anymore. Is it just me?

I wasn't even alive back then btw, I'm 26. They are mostly speakers I've been exposed to over the years. Thanks to http://www.democracynow.org/">Democracy Now!, Free Speech TV, and to a lesser extent, shows like Real-Time with Bill Maher, Stewart and Colbert as well.

The first time I ever saw or heard of Noam Chomsky was on Bill Maher, he came on shortly after the beginning of the Iraq War and stated that the invasion of Iraq was a straight up war crime, the sort of crime for which nazis were hung at Nuremberg, etc. I hadn't ever heard anyone speak like that before, he was the only one on TV saying what I felt. He is largely responsible for the political direction I've taken since then.

[personman]

20. I have a growing library of videos of Chomsky and other libertarian-leftists or anarchists.

If people would like to check them out or hopefully submit some themselves or comment on them, check out the first link in my sig.

I'll need to learn more about the vietnam war to really make much use of this, I think, but...recommended anyway. :)

-personman

[Steepler0t]

22. Thanks

I will check out your link, I have always been a Dem myself but at heart I think to win we need to get back more into the roots of what being a leftist is all about. The Left-libertarian intellectuals are the "ahead-of-the-times" crowd.
The leftist-libertarians (socialist-anarchists) scare the shit out of the righties (who are smart enough to grasp what they are saying) more then anything else.
Because it is the inevitable future they know they will always lose ground on given time.

Exercising your brain and picking up new concepts on how to save the world is not only fun but necessary for the progressive community imo.

Chomsky is usually on the ball way ahead of others and popular public opinion, as suggested by a poster above we should have him on far more often to debate the neocons, but then most of the current debate going on is very below him.


Chomsky you rocked his world, good job! B-)

I wish I had a millionth of the mind/debating skills he has.

[MindMatter]

24. Why do you love the terrorists so much?

At about the 7:30 mark of this video, when Buckley found himself on the ropes being pummeled, he went to the Karl Rove / Lee Atwater strategy of personal attacks. Although he said it more nicely than the right wingers do these days, his personal attacks were just as unjustified as they are today.

The only thing that has changed with these right wingers is that none of them have the intelligence to last 7 minutes and 30 seconds, so they just do what Rudy does and go straight to the "If you are not with me, then you are a terrorist" line.

I had not seen any of Buckley for a long time, and my recollection was that he was a more principled debater, but I can see that was not the case.

[efhmc]

25. Did I miss the date on this? Please tell me if I did. Thanks.

[defendandprotect]

26. Where to see and hear Chomsky and Zinn?

From time to time one of the "local" stations will provide political tapes -- usually Saturday nites -- and sometimes you would see Chomsky. But I haven't seen him lately. He has a number of new books out in the past few years, however.

I tried for a website for him once but didn't find anything.

Zinn has had a website from time to time with info --

I think it would be good if they each had websites and made monthly tapes with comments on the news -- internationally and domestically.

Why hasn't this been done?

Zinn still makes many public appearances and perhaps if he had a website they could give access to tapes from the appearances.

[efhmc]

27. Thank you for the information, but do you know the date of this clip?

[tanotis]

28. 1969

Been around a while, but doesn't hurt to see it again.

[efhmc]

29. I thought so. Buckley almost looks human, Thank you.

[tanotis]

30. Yup.

Seeing these videos make the rounds (again) reminds us of how we're a bit short on public intellectuals these days. No shortage of pundits, but that's not the same thing.

Maybe that's where Al Gore is heading though, if not a presidential candidacy. Another one who seems more concerned with the public reception of his message than the public perception of him as messenger.

[skepticscott]

31. It's really a travesty

that the right wing in this country has been able to completely marginalize Chomsky in any kind of geopolitical discourse, and to do so without engaging him in any substantive way. Every time you see a conservative pundit talk about something Chomsky has said or written, it's always with the usual litany of disparagement (leftist, fringe, liberal, academic, elite, Amerca-hating, lunatic, etc), but never with any answer for the facts and arguments that he presents. They know deep down that Chomsky is far more knowledgeable than they are and that he's right about practically everything...unfortunately, the things that he's right about are often uncomfortable for liberals as well as conservatives (not to mention requiring a little more than average brainpower to appreciate), so the left wing tends to close their ears to him at times too, which is a shame. The man should be a national hero.

[Perry Logan]

32. It reminds me of the scene in "Scanners"

...where the guy's head blows up.

[ProudDad]

33. Damn, I'd forgotten about that Cheesy door bell

that ended each segment of Buckley's show -- usually in mid-cogent-argument.

I wonder if Roger Ailes had all of the faux 'news' clowns study Buckley tapes to learn how to browbeat guests they don't agree with? Buckley was prescient, wasn't he?

Of course, faux news wouldn't EVER have Chomsky on but if they did they'd have slant-head hannity, two assholes from AEI and ann coulter to counter-balance him.

I guess that could be considered a compliment since even with those 4 against him, Chomsky would still win the argument.