Rep. Steve King Defends Joe Wilson and The Confederate Flag

[sabra]

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[wilt the stilt]

1. Here's a hint you racist

It's the African Americans.

[dballance]

2. By That Logic Germans Should be using the Nazi Flag

I mean, after all they had much more recent ancestors who fought in WWII. If only these racist bastards had the same sense of shame that most Germans have. They still don't believe their ancestors did anything wrong by enslaving millions of people. They don't get and they won't get it.

[wilt the stilt]

3. don't you know

it was the war of northern aggresion

[damntexdem]

6. And that is especially how it's seen in racist circles in SC.

And those are some big circles.

[SEANdoody]

4. Agreed.

Very well said.

[Strong Atheist]

17. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[AlbertCat]

9. Real flags of the Confederacy

The REAL stars and bars looks like this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CSA_FLAG_28.11.1861-1.5.1863.svg



The flag they fly over the SC capital has little to do with the civil war. It is usually only a component of a flag. For instance, the battle flag looks like this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mai_1_1863_to_Mar_4_1865.svg

but if the wind's not blowing it can look like a white surrender flag so the stuck a red bar on the end

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mar_4_1865.svg

This flag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Confederate_Navy_Jack.svg

is a conglomeration of several flag and came into being in the 20th century....and is a symbol of racism, not heritage. No one has to "try" to bring race into it. If SC wants to fly a Confederate Flag for the sake of heritage, how about the real stars and bars, or this flag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/SC-SovFlag.svg


Fools! Heritage, my southern ass!

[AlbertCat]

10. They don't get (it) and they won't get it.

Well, remember, the war was not fought over slavery, but "states rights". The Yankees didn't like the blacks very much either. It was a common belief in the 19th century that blacks (and Asians and Indians) didn't have souls. Lincoln wanted to send them all back to Africa, y'know. And there was plenty of wage slavery up North. So you cannot judge 19th century people by 21st century standards. Thinking was very different.

None of that excuses slavery back then or bigotry now, of course. This IS the 21st century and we should not be thinking like the 18th, 19th, or 20th centuries. (Helloooo! Creationists!) But just remember these thing when discussing the Civil War.

[edc]

11. Respectfully,

I must disagree (kind of). The Civil War was fought over the economics of slavery, especially the expansion of slavery into the West. The slave owning classes knew perfectly well that their peculiar institution would not survive if confined to an essentially feudal South in an emerging industrial age. Hence, it is no accident that the war actually began as a consequence of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 which was pretty much the boiling over of what had been simmering since the founding of the nation. The act was designed to permit settlers to determine whether their new states would be free or slave by plebiscite in the name of popular sovereignty and thus state's rights. But the expansion of slavery and the competition between slave and so-called free labor was always the issue.

[billh58]

15. You are partially

correct. Although the Confederacy declared war on the US Government by attacking Fort Sumter in 1861, the "official cause" of the war was the initial succession of seven Southern States after the election of President Lincoln (to be later joined by four more succeeding Southern States). Lincoln ran on a platform of preventing the expansion of slavery to the West, and when he won, the Confederacy was immediately born. The "official" justification of the war was viewed by the US Government as "rebellion" by the Confederacy, but the entire underlying cause was the issue of slavery. President Lincoln did not issue the Emancipation Proclamation until almost a year after the Civil War had begun, and made it a "war goal," further enraging the Confederate South.

Slavery was much more pronounced in the South than it ever was in the Northern "Free" States, but racism was rampant everywhere in the Western World. Even the abolitionists, who were strongly opposed to slavery, were guilty of racism as judged by today's standards. This overt racism was directly inherited from the British, and emulated their treatment of slaves, colonials, and their own "lower class" indentured citizens. After the Revolutionary War, however, many of the original US colonies outlawed slavery at some point in their growth, and became the "Free States."

The Confederate States were not allowed self-governance for several years after the Civil War, because they refused to fully accept Reconstruction. Even after being allowed to form governments, some states did not fully accept Reconstruction until the 1960s Civil Rights movement (and once again, the US Federal Government) forced them into acceptance. A great many of their citizens still have not fully accepted the spirit of Reconstruction.

So you are correct that racism has been around since well before Independence and was (and is) pervasive, but you are wrong about the Civil War having anything to do with legitimate "States Rights." That is the justification that Southern apologists use when they call the Civil War, "The War of Confederate Independence," in a revisionist attempt to validate the promotion of human suffering, legalized murder, rape, physical and mental abuse, and redneckery, as a "noble" cause. Supporters of, and apologists for, the "Southern Cause" of human trafficking and their willingness to succeed from the US to promote and continue it, weren't noble then, and they aren't noble now.

[damntexdem]

5. Yeah, it DOES mean something different to those whose ancestors fought for the Confederacy.

It means they'd like to return to slavery, as well as not be part of the U.S.

But at least King is consistent: defending both Wilson and the Confederate Rag.

[billh58]

7. There was a troll

who was a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) posting a couple of days ago on another thread. He, and his brother Rebels, have changed the name of the Civil War, to the "War For Confederate Independence."

This redneck, and millions like him, truly believe that theirs was a "noble" cause, and that "The South Will Rise Again."

[robo50]

8. I hope NY voters think it's about time for King to be retired from Congress.

Can we find a good Dem to run against him?

[TheCML]

14. huh

NY?

[billh58]

16. King is a

Congressman from Iowa, and a long-time racist:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/08/rep-steve-king-lone-vote_n_227866.html

[lenegal]

12. way down yonder in the land of cotton.....

Repubnants, are you all racist? We ain't going back to the 18th century. Deal with it.

[Richd506]

13. Wow! The confederate flag really helps Joe Wilson does it?

NOT!!!!