FOX's Bill O'Reilly vs Barney Frank Over Acorn Controversy

[democracy1st]

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FOX's Bill O'Reilly vs Massachusetts Democratic Congressman Barney Frank Over Acorn Controversy - 09/23/09

[Gman2]

1. Frank doesnt understand remote time delay. He gets testy.

That delay is not something they had ten years ago. You spoke face to face. Maybe he is just too type A.

[tomm2thumbs]

2. If Barney Frank thinks he makes himself look good doing these appearances, he's wrong

I'm embarrassed for him and I'm starting to get the feeling he is a showboater and this is one case in point.

[swwallace81]

22. All he had to say was

he appreciated the spirit of exposing corruption in the same way Michael Moore exposes corruption. I would love to see O'Reilly's reaction to that!

[ro1942]

3. Barney Frank

is a corrupt piece of garbage and dead wrong on this.

[MrModerate]

4. I don't believe he's corrupt (unless simply being in Congress . . .

defines you as corrupt, which is a position some people might take). And I also don't think he's dead wrong on this. Acorn *is* sloppy, and they tolerate inept and foolish behavior that gets them into trouble all the time.

Looked at another way, their management has insufficient training and guidance mechanisms in place to avoid having their employees trample their reputation in the mud fairly frequently.

Unless you're ready to deny that *reputation* is a valuable commodity that organizations in the public sphere should protect vigilantly, then you have to acknowledge that Acorn screws up way too frequently.

Are the two "young people" that O'Reilly was blathering about admirable in any way? Of course not. They're sacks of shit on the make and they've found a way to scramble to the front of the pack of freelance muckrakers deployed by the wingnutariat. And they're shitty filmmakers. But they successfully stung Acorn because the Acorn workers let 'em.

Is Frank dead wrong about going on O'Reilly? There I'd have to say yes. It just lends O'Reilly credibility he hasn't earned and doesn't deserve. I don't think progressives should even talk to the creep.

[ro1942]

7. Barney Frank

Why not investigate the banks and stop their funding. Acorn had a few bad apples but compared to big corporations it's minuscule. Frank is a tool for the bankers, just my opinion.

[MrModerate]

10. Minuscule vs the crimes and ineptitude of Wall Street and the banks . . .

You betcha. Frank a tool of the bankers? Not so much.

[paulsby]

15. frank is right

and the only thing i disagree with you about is calling the filmmakers sacks of shit.

i like people who take the initiative to expose corruption.

[MrModerate]

19. I suppose from their point of view, they were "exposing corruption" . . .

Since that's clearly what they believe to be Acorn's character. But from my point of view they conned gullible and improperly trained people into making asses of themselves, and into delivering a body blow to their employer.

Do I think the Acorn folks really believed they were counseling a pimp on how to evade the law? Nope. I think they sincerely thought they were goofing with some screwed-up kids playing dress-up, or that they were stringing O'Keefe along.

Do I believe that O'Keefe thought Acorn counsels pimps? Maybe yes, maybe no.

[onlyadream]

20. I agreed with you up to the point of Barney going on FOX

Too many people ONLY watch FOx "news" and when someone like Frank goes on that network, these Fox watching sheep FINALLY get to hear someone who gets it. This is their glimpse into sanity. I totally agree that Acorn screwed up, but POSSIBLY not to the extent that is being touted. For example, two offices did contact the authorities (when it is being said that they didn't). Nevertheless, Ancorn does need to train their people on the matter of ethics and character.

[MrModerate]

25. Here's my take on Dems and progressives going on Fux News:

The people watching are fans of the host. What they're looking for is a smackdown of some whining liberal. If the guy is a poofter, so much the better.

We see Frank slugging it out with O'Bully and say -- "long-term liberal, very effective in Congress, smart guy who knows the ropes and has principles to boot." They see Frank and say -- "O'Reilly just whupped his faggot ass."

Remember, O'Reilly's in a no-fact zone, and so are his viewers. They don't hear what Frank has to say. And O'Reilly invites Frank on precisely because he knows that his troglodyte base is homophobic.

I say don't feed the idiot. Marginalize Fux whenever possible.

[onlyadream]

26. Sadly, you're probably correct :(

[josephT]

8. Oh, really?

And how is that?

[Enthusiast]

11. And you are spouting

typical Reich Wing lies on DU. Barney is right on this. And you are a hypocrite. How can a Republican call anyone else corrupt.

[anniebelle]

13. Any facts or just Repuke rhetoric?

[pennylane100]

5. I love Barney Frank

and I thought he did very well while trying to converse with a moronic uninformed egomaniac.

[daedalus_dude]

6. I missed the part where Barney Frank pushed to defund blackwater. Hypocrite.

[josephT]

9. Well, I guess you missed this as well:

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2009/09/doh-anti-acorn-bill-ropes-in-defense.html

Know of what you speak before opening your mouth.

[GrimReefa]

12. DEMOCRATS: STAY OFF OF FOX!

We go through all the trouble to try and get the Fox sponsers to pull their ads and yet the Democrats can't bring themselves to stay the hell off their shows. It's nice for Obama to snub them at press conferences and not go on their morning talk shows, now the rest of the party needs to follow suit. The people who watch these shows can not be reached, and so going on them to argue is a complete waste of time.

Go rub one out instead; it will be just as productive, and you'll feel a lot better after it's over.

[wroberts189]

14. I have to say I admire Frank going on O'Lielly and telling him to shut up and let him talk. nt

[ScottLand]

16. I think I see O'Lielly's point

Who cares about the law when you're doing something good? You illegally videotape, you kill a few doctors. Who cares? You're going up against something corrupt, right?

[democracy1st]

17. yep drop a few bombs on innocent people ...No problem

[ScottLand]

18. Exactly.

You have to remember (and above all, trust) that whatever America does is good.

[josephT]

23. My point exactly!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wHN4EucvzY

[chadmak09]

21. BAD MESSAGE!!!

Saying its ok to break the law to catch corruption/crime is a very bad message. no offense.

With that logic, The police should be granted right to break everyones civil rights and search and sieze without probable cause.
This happens alot in america.
Cops think they can stomp all over peoples rights just because they are looking for marijuana.
they pull people over without reason, pull them out of thier cars without probable cause, and search them illegally.

Once you allow the law to be bent and shaped, its no different than breaking it.

The patriot act is a good example.

It cleary goes against the constitution, but some people think its ok because "they are using it on terrorists".
But I recently saw a TYT "Feingold and Franken" video that showed that out of 763 times the patriot act was used to obtain illegal search warrants, ONLY 3 of them were Terrorist related. The rest of the times, it was used on regular american people.
shocked???

[Wizard777]

24. Who cares about Maryland law?

:wow: :grr: :nuke:

How about all of Maryland coming to your state and trash the laws that protect you? That's what Maryland laws do. They protect people. We have equal protection of law. So we can't really pick and choose who do and do not protect with our laws. Our laws will even protect child prostitution admiring and aggrandizing perverted assholes like Bill O'Reilly. Mr. O'Reilly is familiar with the conservative belief that facts are irrelevant to politics. I've got a news flash for Bill. That also applies to prison politics. I can hardly wait to see O'Keefe in jail trying to explain to all the high brow intellectuals we keep in our prisons that the child prostitution thing was just a joke. I can hear them now. Oh so you think child prostitution is a joke? Don't forget to bring your soap to the shower. We're going to find out exactly how funny that is. You're gonna roll on the floor laughing you ass off for real yo. The whitest guy ever ain't a real Pimp. So he must be a real Ho. When he gets out of jail he'll know what a real pimp is. Is it two packs of cigarettes for fresh meat? Why does Bill hate these two? They can go into jail with their smug arrogant attitudes. They will not come out of jail with them.

[Best_man23]

27. Congressman Frank needs to stay the hell off O'Really's "show"

If I were him, I would have stopped coming on there after the shouting match over Fannie/Freddie.

[yourcivictv]

28. Here's a theory...

What if Glenn Beck simply exists to make O'Reilly look like a pragmatic centrist?

Compared to Beck, O'Reilly looks like Publius.

http://www.yourcivicdoody.com

[Drix]

29. Niether one of these guys have moral authority on this issue.

Frank had a guy running a whore house out of his home and O'Reilly is now pro-secret taping? Well I guess everybody can't have their employer pay millions of dollars to prevent sounds of buzzing vibrators in their butt from being broadcast on national TV. Spare me your moral outrage. The both of you.

[drm604]

30. Representative Frank,

Please look at those heavily edited tapes, listen to statements that have been made by some of those ACORN employees, then look into some of the things O'Keefe has done in the past, and then tell me that you believe that those tapes prove that ACORN employees were promoting child prostitution. :banghead: