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ronhardy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:15 AM
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Mike Gravel on CNN
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Mike Gravel on CNN.

Sentiment has no place in American politics. The welfare and interest of the American people are too important to be driven by sentiment, professional liars and "popular news coverage." Unfortunately, over the years, substance has taken a back seat to style, oompha-loomphas and spin doctors. The needs of the People have gone unheeded by these self-absorbed, shameless, professional politicians silently slipping the special interest-corporate agenda up the public wazoo.

January 20th, 1989. That's the day George Herbert Walker Bush became President of the United States. Since that day, America has remained under the hand of the ruling corporate elite.

1989-1993: Bush Sr.
1993-2000: Clinton (male)
2000-2009: Bush Jr.
2009-2017: Clinton (female)

If Hillary becomes President and remains in office until 2017, America will have lived under elite corporate rule for nearly thirty years! THIRTY YEARS! THREE DECADES!

And that's three decades of special interest-corporate agenda instead of government for and by the American people.

Thirty years of:
- white, conservative, male control of our media;
- illegal wars;
- personal income tax;
- no balanced budget ever - including under Clinton; see, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzMQgpGn9To
- no universal healthcare;
- no fully-paid college tuition for each high-school graduate;
- no border control;
- illegal immigration;
- outsourcing of American jobs;
- no living wage;
- no transparency or accountability in government;
- funding and arming Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine;
- no campaign finance reform;
- AIPAC control of Congress;
- lobbyist domination;
- U.S. military-industrial complex welfare;

Who believes Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama is going to change these facts of government and politics?
These professional politicians are enablers, perpetuators and agents of the special interest-corporate agenda dictating the course of American politics and government. Professional politicians are the enemy of American democracy and the average American.

We need to stop electing professional politicians to office. Sentiment should not be the basis for electing politicians.
This idea that government is best run by "elder statesmen" and "accomplished public servants" is garbage that needs to be taken to the dump for good. Government should be run by ordinary Americans. We'd be better off selecting Congress by random mail, ala' "jury duty" than the current system and our current crooked Congress. I recall Jay Leno questioning Jesse Ventura about Ventura's call for "one-term only" in politics: Leno asked, "Don't you need to be in office a few terms to become familiar with the system to better serve the people?" Jesse replied, "Listen, if you don't know who the bad guys are after a couple of months, you have no business in government."

My point is we've got to STOP allowing sentiment and the media from determining who are the viable candidates for public office. We need ordinary people in elected office and this requires serious campaign finance reform. We've got to institute public funding of U.S. campaigns and end this special interest-corporate domination of our American democracy. We've got to trust ourselves to run our own government. We've got to ditch this idea that only professional politicians can run our government and run it better than ordinary Americans. The diametric opposite is true: Congress and the White House would be better run by ordinary Americans who aren't named "Bush" or "Clinton." We've got to stop electing rich bastards to public office! Let's start electing ordinary people to public office and STOP electing the corporate ruling elite to the highest offices in the land.

We need to STOP supporting politicians and START supporting an agenda - just like the special interests and big corporations have been doing for decades now; those corporations don't care which professional politician is "elected" to office, since all those professional politicians are financed by special interest and big corporations and do enforce and represent the special interest-corporate agenda.

We The People need to support a platform - the "People's Platform," or whatever you want to call it. The People's agenda.
We The People need to come together to determine the People's Agenda and start supporting and electing ordinary people to office who promise and pledge to support and fight for the will and agenda of the People. We've got to stop putting the cart in front of the horse and demand candidates sign a public pledge to support and fight for the planks of the People's Platform. I'm sick and tired of professional politicians treating high public office as a "career move" and their own personal "self-improvement program."

Here's my version of "The People's Platform," or whatever you want to call it: http://www.roncorvus.com/peoplesplatform.htm

One thing is for sure, if We The People don't start electing ordinary people to public office, We The People will continue to suffer and toil under the ruling class elite; and it only gets worse from here. In fact, the ONLY WAY we're going to reverse this mess is by electing ordinary Americans to Congress and the White House. Don't let the media tell you who to vote for; don't let the media tell you the only viable candidates are who the media says are viable candidates. In fact, it's time for third party candidates to be elected to office, since electing a Democrat or Republican to office will guarantee more of the same. Next election, please vote for an ordinary American who is NOT running as a Democrat or Republican. It's high time to give third party candidates a chance. Enough of the two-party special interest-corporate monopoly!!! Vote your conscious and your future: support and vote third party candidates all the way!!!



http://www.roncorvus.com
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:19 AM
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1. Welcome to DU, Ron
I managed not to know anything about Gravel and am really enjoying getting to know him. :)
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ronhardy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 01:23 AM
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2. Mike Gravel on CNN
yeah, I like him, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul........too bad there aren't more guys like these in the Republican and Democratic Party.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:39 AM
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4. We need more?
How about if we utilize to the fullest, the few that we DO have. I'm sure more will appear if these intrepid pioneers are able to make a difference!
Get behind Kuchinich & Gravel & facilitate, campaign for.!:D :P :9 :7 :toast: :dem:
R U Cognizant
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:57 PM
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14. agreed!
:)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:00 AM
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5. Ron Paul is a libertarian conservative.
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 09:04 AM by tblue37
He is against the war (good), but he is also against all governtment-supported services. I think we need more public services, not fewer.

Pat Buchanan is also against the waar, and he has been against Bush from the beginning. His American Conservative magazine even had a cover issue that called Bush a radical and proved he was no conservative. But I would not vote for Pat Buchanan, even though he is against the war and has the courage of his convictions, as does Ron Paul. I happen to disapprove of most of his convictions--and most of Ron Paul's. (Obviously, ROn Paul is a mroe appealing and reasonable person in many ways than Buchanan. But I still would not support Ron Paul!)

People need to learn all of what a politician stands for and avaoid single-issue voting. Sure, we need to vote for a politician who is against the war, but not one who is also against everything else we as progressives believe in. There are antiwar progressive candidates. We should be supporting them, not Ron Paul. As I have said, single-issue voting could give us a Pat Buchanan, since he was against the war (and against Bush) from the beginning.

And, of course, Paul is a Republican, which means that he helps maintain the Republican percentage. We need strong Democratic majorities in both houses. Support antiwar Democratic candidates.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:35 PM
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10. Ron Paul??
He wants to privatize absolutely everything until all is taken over by the corporations. You thought it's bad now? Wait until Paul gets elected!

Oh, and he's a nut who thinks there's no separation of church and state, ans he blames "the secular left" for fighting a "war against christianity". It's like you're listening to Bill O'Lielly. (Do a search on DU for that.)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 08:38 AM
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3. Mike Gravel is right on the money, our democratic leaders
...want to avoid confrontation and as a result could lose everything come Nov 2008
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:02 AM
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6. you can add G.H.W. Bush from 1981-1989 as Vice President n/t
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:46 AM
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7. i only argue with your timeline-
you have to go back at least as far as st ronnie.
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ronhardy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 03:33 PM
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8. absolutely!
yes, you're right.........
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 07:28 PM
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9. I agreed with you, until you said that
we shouldn't elect professional politicians, but ordinary people. Really? We should elect Joe Sixpack who dropped out of high school and is home all day watching only Fox News, rooting for his hero's Hannity and O'Reilly?? Really?

There are no good 'professional' politicians? What about Al Gore? He was pretty good and he still is, don;t you think? And what about Russ Feingold? John Conyers? Dennis Kucinich? They're all good. Yes, there are many who are worthless, but there are just as many 'ordinary' people who are worthless.
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ronhardy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:51 PM
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11. Then you keep this current Congress........
Then you keep this current Congress........I prefer Congress elected by mail than this group of crooked, spineless, sorry Congressmen and women. If you don't know what's wrong with Conyers, Gore and Feingold, then you're the "Joe-Six Pack" in my book.

When I say "ordinary citizens" I'm referring to folks who aren't the rich and elite.

Apparently, you're not familiar with Congress. Once they serve one term, they know how to "play the game" to get earmarks for their special interests. We need one-term only!!! There's nothing worse than when these crooks start "working together." Yeah, they "work together," - against me and you!

Kucinich? He's a personal friend of mine. I told him he shouldn't be afraid to charge these other candidates with using special techniques known as, "lying," especially when it comes to universal healthcare and Iraq. Feingold has done some good, as well as Al Gore; but they've both done some things in Congress they should be ashamed of....didn't you see Gore in Farenheit 911? Having said that, I still hate the way the media has treated Al Gore.

I still support voting 99% of Congress O-U-T of office.

You underestimate the good in Americans as a whole. We pick juries by mail, and these Americans determine whether one lives or dies. I trust the average American before I trust the average "professional politician."

.r o n
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:49 PM
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13. I disagree
You're over-suspicious. It's good to be critical, but you seem to think you can't trust anyone who's in politics. Yes, I saw Fahrenheit 9/11, but what did Gore do wrong according to you? He thought for his election as long as he could, but when the Supreme Courts appoints the other guy; what can you do?

I see little to nothing wrong with Conyers, Gore, Kucinich and Feingold. And let me tell you that I follow US politics pretty close, maybe even more than Dutch politics, because often, American politics are much more exciting. (Well, since Bush took office, *anything* can happen!) So don't pretend I know nothing about it.

Yes, I do not trust the average American. Just like I don't trust the average Dutchman, for that matter. We don't have a jury-system. The judge decided whether a person is guilty or not and what the sentence should be. And I am SO glad we don't have the American system where, indeed, Joe Sixpack decides "whether one lives or dies". You think that's a good system? Wake up! Those juries are hand-picked and manipulated by the lawyers even before the trial begins. Those people don't know the first thing about juridical matters. Regular people go with their gut feeling. Let people decide who have studied long and hard for it, like the judges.

And let the average American/Dutchman do as little as possible.
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ronhardy Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-12-07 10:14 PM
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15. Just for u.........
Oh, you don't live in America, and you're running your stupid mouth here about American politics?

Fuck off......stay out of America!
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 10:42 PM
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12. Great job Ron! Thanks and welcome to DU!
Good to have you on board.
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