Papantonio: Obama is Bush Lite

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Stanford University produced a study that showed that voters are repulsed by politicians who don't deliver what they promised. According to Stanford, "flip flop", mealy-mouthed candidates always lose their voter base. David Axelrod should force Obama to read that report titled "Candidate Inconsistency and Voter Choice." Voters dislike inconsistency. They are infuriated by bait and switch political policy. Obama's situation can be explained with easy math. The Stanford study says if a politician is perceived as inconsistent in his commitment, he will lose 14% of his support. But Obama was only elected by a margin of 8%. Uh oh!

For the full text, go to The Huffington Post - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-papantonio/obama-is-bush-light_b_375507.html

[jefferson_dem]

1. Amazing display of ignorance...

I didn't realize Papantonio was such a fool.

[saracat]

9. Disagreement is fine, but name calling reflects on the caller. Mike is very credible

and certainly not "ignorant. Very few can boast his resume.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Papantonio

[emulatorloo]

15. Um, isn't "BUSH LITE" name-calling? n/t

[saracat]

18. You may have a point but but it was decriptive of policy rather than

a personal insult Mike did not call the President or anyone else personally ignorant.

[jefferson_dem]

21. Resumes mean nothing...

And his isn't THAT impressive anyway.

[saracat]

22. Genuine resumes do mean something. They establish credibility. Mike certainly is not "Ignorant" as

you have claimed. He is a well educated, successful liberal. Disagreement with another is not ignorance. It is disagreement.

[Peregrine Took]

13. Nice to just toss in a blanket, condeming statement and just go on your

merry way.

[earcandle]

27. oh please...

[Raoul]

17. You sound like a neocon

Why is he a fool? For speaking the truth? Perhaps you drank the cool aid but I vomited mine up during the past few months watching President Lite tapdance and kiss the asses of the repukicans.

[jefferson_dem]

19. Calling Obama "Bush-Lite" is enough to warrant such a label...

No amount of supporting evidence could possibly justify the "foolishness" of that conclusion.

Yes, I did watch the video, by the way.

[saracat]

23. And that is your "opinion". Others may differ. You are not "ignorant" for disagreeing

nor is Mike "ignorant" for not holding your opinion.

[girl gone mad]

34. I think it's a fair description of Obama's major foreign and domestic policy.

On most big issues, there is very little distance between Obama and his predecessor.

[earcandle]

26. you are a joker and should not bear jefferson's name

[QC]

49. So what did he say that's incorrect? n/t

[FiveGoodMen]

2. Kicked and very (sadly) recommended.

[Cha]

3. Ignorant idiot.

[saracat]

8. Really ? Can you boast the same credentials as Mike? Just because he disagrees with you

doesn't make him "ignorant" or an "idiot". But it says a lot about those who would call him names.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Papantonio

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[saracat]

20. If that means what I think it would much more be applicable to you than myself .

Happy Holidays! :)

[Peregrine Took]

14. Another one! Is DU charging by the word these days?

[jgraz]

42. It's nice you've place this helpful warning on your posts

But do you have any opinion on what Mike said?

[lapfog_1]

4. uh, I hate to say it, but where did Candidate Obama promise to get us out of Afghanistan?

When did he PROMISE to get us single payer health care?

Flip-flop?

I wish he had.

He is actually doing everything he said he was going to do. It's unfortunate that he wasn't elected in 2004, when ending the war in Iraq and putting all of our efforts into Afghanistan might have been the right thing to do ( at least it had a chance of being the right thing to do back then ).

[democracy1st]

24. he did say he would not allow lobbyist in his admin !

[earcandle]

28. Obama did not know during the election what he knows now, the knowing of which has changed his tune.

But he is reneging on transparency for sure, if he changed his
mind or learned anything we need to know.
The pablum of fantasies he continued on at this speech was
more of the same and we know that is bullshit already.

This is more than sad.  But alas, I must let it go and go into
observation to maintain trim tab status 
if I want to stay young and beautiful.  And I do. 

[twitfinder]

5. How do YOU spell double standard?

No campaign promise to get us out of Afghanistan. Check.

Following Bushes time line to get out of Iraq. Check

No campaign promise for single payer. Check.

Gonna close Guantanamo..........someday. Check.

While I have the right to criticize about things I knew before hand because I HOPED he would CHANGE his mind, I still voted for him knowing these things and am pissed as hell now and won't vote for him again!!! Check.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Maybe the campaign slogan should have been...."I HOPE you think I'm going to CHANGE my mind on these things that piss you off and vote for me anyway." Cuz it sure worked!

I'm just sayin'.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

7. Obama supporting a Single Payer system

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

[twitfinder]

16. I've seen that....

Now show me where it was a campaign promise for the general election. His website maybe? In the proverbial words of the airline worker behind the counter in Tommy Boy, "I don't THINK so."

[BREMPRO]

6. this is what happens when you spend too much time at the fox news "bar".

he's into RW propaganda territory here.

[Divine Discontent]

36. right, he must be a Faux Newser because he has taken off the rose colored glasses on the blue dog

president we've got in the white house.

There's a very high percentage of liberal Democrats on this website who are not at all pleased with President Obama and think on far too many issues he's continued the policies of his gene-yus predecessor, brain-trust extraordinaire, George W! (or worse yet, the policies of snarling dick cheney)

[Postman]

11. Pap is absolutely correct....Obama has been Bush lite up to the present..

[winyanstaz]

12. hmm lets see...kept Bush men in positions of power....

appointed right wingers to positions of power..kept the secret renditions..extending the patriot act, escolating wars...making noises about starting a few more...yup...sounds like Bush alright.

[earcandle]

25. At last, some intelligence showing up.

[Metta]

29. On the money. A sad reflection on a compromised president.

Holder, for example, was on the law team that got a slap on the wrist fine for Chiquita banana for murdering union opposition leaders.

[Yukari Yakumo]

30. Idiotic. Obviously didn't pay attention to what Obama had always said during the campaign.

1. Reality make be an entirely different beast altogether.

2. Wasn't he paying attention during the campaign? You know, the bit about exiting Iraq and re-focusing on Afghanistan? Obama is actually doing what he promised.

3. Bush politicized EVERYTHING. Granted Obama has been far from perfect, he is by no means even Bush-like.

[scentopine]

31. Obama is simply getting votes - one republican at a time.

Time to admit we are all republican centrists now. Even O'Reilly seemed comfortable that he shares Obama's war vision.

Fuck every one of you amoral, unprincipled, spineless and cowardly corporate centri, err realists.
There is a time and place for righteous anger and name calling and it is now.

If people don't think this punish the poor reward the rich shit isn't going to backfire... just wait and see come elections.

Christ at least under Bush he left no notions that he was a complete asshole. Are we really so much better off with Obama... really? Soon we won't even be able to say that anymore.

20 million unemployed, shitty low wage jobs for everyone else, outsourcing, trillions to wall street, trillions to the war profiteers.

Jesus h Christ how dare anyone seriously suggest we need to support the president no matter what just because he is a democrat.

This shit just never ends. If you aren't disgusted, you are taking way too many meds.

Its surreal - like it can't really be happening...

Although I admit centrists are very polite in their defense of Obama - quickly dismissing us angry liberals as those angry liberals. Ewwwwww, anger. Yuck - its like so anti-free market. The centrist world is a sterile universe devoid of passion and energy (that space being completely occupied with the clarity and purity of their own pragmatism as they carefully weigh the advantages and disadvantages of torture, wiretapping, wall street bonuses).

Yep - all that clarity at home when soldiers and contractors are anal raping people, pissing on them, shitting on them, cutting and electrocuting their their genitals in other countries. That would never happen here and they probably deserve it so let's move forward. Right? I mean a million people are dead in Iraq, millions injured - enriched uranium polluting major ruban centers - but that's just the price of war right?

You bettha! Rahm Emanuel is counting on Fortune 500 support and a few key states and the rest of us can go fuck ourselves. We do not exist.

Fuck all you centrists. There is nothing more dangerous than the extreme centrist who only respond to one thing in this world.

Money.

[motorcityliberal]

33. WTF

Obama has been in office for what 10 or 11 months and people want to crown him Bush lite, can we give the man some time before pass any judgment on him? Dude has to clean up eight years of George Bush's epic fuck ups while trying to push his own agenda at the same time. I bet if you lived in the fictional world of Metropolis you give Superman hell for not putting out the fire and saving a school bus filled with children at the same time.

I don't dismissed anyone for their opinion or feelings but accusing Barack Obama of being some carbon copy of Bush is going a bit far when he has done positive things, now to this centrist thingy I wouldn't call myself a centrist for two reason one I don't think corporations should reap all the benefits while average people engage in a free for all to see who gets what and two I hate conservatives with a intense passion. Like a poster on "Huff Post said a few months ago and I'm going to paraphrase him or her the reason Democrats have been losing elections for the last couple of decades is that there is a segment within the Democratic base that's willingly to take their ball and go home when the party don't meet 100% of their demands.

I have a big picture view if this country is in better shape or at least a clear majority of people view the country heading in the right direction by the time Barack Obama is up for re-election he should get the Democratic nomination and he should resoundingly win re-election. Like I told Ralph Nader voters eight years ago I'm not going to beg you to vote Democratic but if you wanna take your ball and stay home or vote for a guy who has no shot of winning then you lose your right to complain about a Tim Pawlenty, a Bobby Jindal or worst case a Sarah Palin presidency.

[jefferson_dem]

37. "people want to crown him Bush lite"

Only those people who prefer to live out their own fantasies rather than in the fact-based universe.

[motorcityliberal]

47. I don't mind holding Obama's feet to the fire

But what's more important turning this mess around or Obama meeting a unrealistic exceptions set by people? I didn't expect Obama to be captain progressive when I voted for him, I voted for him because he promised to fix the mess left to him by Sith lord Cheney and his man-child puppet sidekick. And again Obama has to deal with Bush massive fuck ups, in health care, he has to deal with 4 (3 of them Dems)senators who's thinking about their political contributions and their own asses rather than what's good for everyone else and he's trying to do his own thing while dealing with the two things I mention.

It's one thing if this was year two or three and Obama is trending this fine line but dude has been in office for 11 months could we at least we give him sometime before people are willingly to surrender the White House to Sarah Palin and the tea bag crowd?

[suzanner]

40. I totally agree with scentopine and Mike.

In fact, I'm starting to think that elections are just pantomime: taking turns with the 2 opposing parties (in cahoots with each other) to give the appearance of democracy, only in reality to head a puppet government and some other ruling megalo.ma.niac entity pulls the strings. It is like the rational/conscientious sidekick for this entity died and irrationality has prevailed...

[jgraz]

46. +100

[swag]

32. What Obama promised

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/opinion/14obama.html

Seems to me that he's delivering it, whether you like it or not.

If you voted for him and you didn't want this, why did you vote for him?

It was out there in plain sight. He told you what he was going to do.

[jgraz]

44. YES WE CAN... HOPE... CHANGE...

Let's say you're dating someone. She says, "I love you, I want to spend the rest of my life with you." Then you find out she's been fucking your best friend. Do you feel betrayed?

Why? She just said she loved you. She never promised that she wouldn't fuck your best friend. What do you have to complain about?

[budkin]

35. I really respect Pap and feel like he's just expressing the disappointment that many of us have felt

[theFrankFactor]

38. The Mission is to Destroy the Democratic Party - It Will Be a Success.

The health care bill will be a disaster. Obama and Congressional Democrats have jumped the shark. It is now common knowledge that they serve as a straight man to the Right and drink Corporate gizz. Give up your fairy tale. I believed in "Hope & Change" too - not any more!

During the Bush reign I always wondered why the Democrats sucked so much Republican cock, useless, spineless Harry and Nancy. Now I KNOW why. They have no interest in serving their constituents in reality, it's a magic show. Democrats are no more fundamentally "weaker" than Republicans. They CHOOSE to suck the corporate dick because they are the SAME as the Republicans with only one or two degrees of separation.

The change has to come from US! We have been duped!

(PS Great minds think alike. I made most of these observations months ago - just sayin'.)

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[jgraz]

43. Of course. We can't give all those pesky progressive a viable party

They might actually expect the Dems to DO something.

[swilton]

39. Mike Nailed It

Calling Mike 'ignorant' blames the messenger not the message - how Republiconesque.

He echoes the sentiments of many of us who have been dismayed that Obama's performance has not produced real solutions to the problems this country faces.

Obama's actions and his dirty deeds speak for themselves.

[diamidue]

41. agreed. n/t

[ooglymoogly]

45. As I came to this conclusion long ago

It is good to hear others with a platform in agreement

[Lorien]

48. Kicked

I hope Obama wakes up to the fact that he's not gaining GOP support with his choices, he's losing ours.