This Is Absolutely Insane! Michael Moore Responds To President Obama's Afghanistan Speech

[Why Syzygy]

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Part 2
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[PHIMG]

1. "A special live edition of Larry King Live?"

Huh?

[Wednesdays]

37. Kind of like one of our favorite dishes here in Oklahoma...

"Chicken fried chicken."

I kid you not.

[Djarun]

94. live

It's live live, or extra live?!?!

[medeak]

2. k&r

[spiritual_gunfighter]

19. I like that dog head! n/t

[Enthusiast]

104. That's what I was thinkin'.

Nice dog.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

105. I like Ohio too

Go Bucks!

[Enthusiast]

106. Yup!

Tonight we find out if their Rose Bowl opponent is Oregon or Oregon State! Should be a fun game to watch at 9:00 I believe. I better get a nap in. :fistbump:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

107. I will be watching n/t

[HowHasItComeToThis]

99. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE AFGHAN PIPELINE

http://www.worldpress.org/specials/pp/front.htm OR
http://mikeely.wordpress.com/2009/01/22/an-empire-eyes-afghanistan/ or GOOGLE IT YOURSELF

[democracy1st]

3. K & R

[Divine Discontent]

4. very happy to be the 5th rec - and very sad for our country.

[BigBearJohn]

5. Michael hits it out of the park without burying Obama. He reveals Obama's human. Makes mistakes.

Oops. tsk tsk tsk.

[Why Syzygy]

24. That is

a perspective not getting much play. A good one.

[pokercat999]

6. A permanent "War" tax 90% of all income over $500K per year

regardless of how it is earned with the only exception being "unearned", income like lottery and other types of jackpots which could be held by the treasury and paid out in increments of $500K per year for the life of the winner and then all remaining $$ would go to the treasury.

Draft starting at 60 years old and going down till all ranks filled. No deferments except those covered under the employees leave act or serious personal illness or prior service. Many older Americans like myself (59) could fill non-combatant positions by the thousands, hell I would volunteer if they allowed it. If I remember correctly, for every combat troop there are around 17 others backing him/her up. Increasing the size of our military could stop the repeated tours in the combat zones.

[peacebird]

9. if this were inacted all warmaking by the USA would immediately end!

LOL!
I like it. Will never happen but I like it. Most war is promoted by old men - many of whom have stock in the companies that profit by wars. Any "excess" funds this generates for the treasury could be used to fund health care and infrastructure here

[Tejas]

10. I doubt Michael Moore would like being limited on income - nt

[eShirl]

12. Name one person who would "like" it. n/t

[pokercat999]

13. Send him an email with my suggestions, one of us may be

surprised, twice. One in that he may actually answer, two in the contents of his answer.

[Why Syzygy]

74. Michael has said rich people like himself SHOULD pay more taxes.

He IS a rational person.

[Tejas]

90. Link?

[Why Syzygy]

98. Not handy.

Sorry, didn't bookmark. I believe it was one of his promotional appearances for "Capitalism: A Love Story".

edit: Let me see what I can dig up.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/oct/02/michael-moore/michael-moores-film-capitalism-claims-richest-paid/


Oh, yeah. He challenged Hannity.

http://nextstoplauderdale.com/2009/10/10/michael-moores-preferred-956-income-tax-rate/


Enjoy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=michael+moore+rich+people+taxes&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

[Lorien]

42. He would happily take such a tax over the war

not every person who WORKED for their income is a money grubbing selfish prick.

[Tejas]

60. Not sure what "selfish" has to do with this? nt

[Joanne98]

15. Great idea!

[IrateCitizen]

16. There are no longer 17 troops backing up every combat troop.

It's much less than that now, because most of those 17 have been taken over by PRIVATE CONTRACTORS.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. *amendment* All "Aye" congresspeople get handed a rifle and a ticket to the front line.

Next up:


2. Their kids.
3. Their friends.
4. Their associates.
5. People who have ever crossed their paths.

That ought to do it.

[Plucketeer]

51. Great ideas

Maybe your draft eligibility should be proportional to your personal wealth. WEALTHY = 1A draftworthiness. You wanna see the warring grind to a halt!

As far as 17 folks backing up one combat sort - so much of that support is now contracted civilian work that it's disgusting. Not to mention the grossly inflated cost of such!

[fascisthunter]

68. notice how the Opposite was enacted by Bush and the GOP?

by giving the rich a tax break, they essentially made the poor pay, fight and die for their war.

[edc]

70. Great idea with only one small problem.

The folks you want to tax are members of the Senate, own the government own most of the country, are unwilling to bleed in the wars they start because they're in the business of making money off them.

[bigjohn16]

7. K&R nt

[bulloney]

8. At what point do we cease sending money down the military rathole at the expense of rebuilding

this nation?

I get so damned sick of hearing politicians telling us there's no money for infrastructure, building new schools, health care reform and other things that benefit all of us. But when it comes to the Pentagon, they get everything they want, even though they have historically been the biggest source of government waste in history.

[IrateCitizen]

17. Only when the government runs out of money, unfortunately.

They'll pursue the maintenance of the periphery as the center rots, just like every other imperial power in history has done.

[parasearchers]

18. Dont worry it will happen, it happened to the Romans,

Legions were simply left stranded where they were stationed.

[liberation]

33. ....and those legions didn't stay "stranded" for long, did they?

[The Wielding Truth]

29. If we were strong enough at home. It would be hard for anyone to terrorize us.

[feslen]

83. re: the cycle will never end

as long as greedy men justify the "need and right" to cause war.

[midnight]

11. K&R.

[Why Syzygy]

76. Hi, midnight

You posted in one of my threads! :D

[mikita]

14. k&r

[mmonk]

20. K&R

Too bad both parties villify Moore and people comply.

[twitfinder]

21. Strategy vs Surgery

Michael Moore is to military strategy what the Pope is to the correct surgical techniques for abortion.

[ShortnFiery]

50. Sanity vs. Empire

Michael Moore is to The American Citizen as Thomas Paine was to the settlers against Political Royalty.

Michael Moore, a true American Patriot. :patriot:

[twitfinder]

56. The same Thomas Paine...

Who said of a war...

"that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."

THAT Thomas Paine??? I'm just askin'

[ShortnFiery]

73. Pick and choose. What part of "there's no al Qaeda in Afghanistan" did you not copy? eom

[twitfinder]

86. I never said I liked the war....

I said Michael Moore has no idea what he's talking about, nor do any of us, about war strategy. We're not privy to the secret briefings that our officials receive on a daily basis. It's one thing to not like war....well, because it's war....and opine as such. I got no problem there. It's quite another to opine, at least intelligently while not being disingenuous, about strategy and who's linked to whom.

What? He read it in the freakin' paper or some knuckleheads book, without any real clue about what's happening behind the scenes, and suddenly he's a freakin' expert??? Gimme a break! Yeah, I no more want MM opining about war strategy than I want nimble-dicked Hannity opining about....well, anything!!! Simply because you agree that the war sucks doesn't make MM any more right or wrong, for that matter. If that were true, then the righties would be as right as we are.

What part of "you don't have a freakin' clue besides what you read in the papers" don't you copy?

[bobbolink]

53. Aisle 21, we found it!

[Why Syzygy]

77. Welcome to DU

:hi: Did you find a 'twit' yet? Need a mirror?

[twitfinder]

87. Wow!!!

I could have sat for HOURS and HOURS on end and NEVER come up with something so profound. But a beautiful example of a classic Hannity/Limbaugh style ad hom argument that addresses nothing. Your parents must be sooooo proud!

[Why Syzygy]

97. I bet

freepers find you amusing. Am I right?

[twitfinder]

109. If you mean....

this kind of freeper,

"One who analyzes and recommends action with regards to political matters from the perspective of logic and rationality, rather than rabid emotion"

Then I certainly hope so.

[Why Syzygy]

110. Laying low?

.

[defendandprotect]

22. Use your own instincts, folks! Michael Moore knows this is all crap . . . but . ..

he's still trying to be Mr. Nice Guy --

That's gotten his documentaries out and heard --

But, no one like Michael Moore is going to lead us out of this desert --

In the end, it's up to us.

Are there just not enough of us disadvantaged yet?

Because if you look back on history it's the most abused among us who finally

bring forth the revolution ... and I mean only a non-violent revolution.

We see that over and again with homosexuals who have used their intelligence to fight

for their freedom --

We saw it with African-Americans who fought largely on their own for civil rights and

ending Segregation, Inc. --

We see it now in the struggle of Latinos --

And women, of course, are still conducting their non-violent campaign for equality.

How many millions of impoverished and sick citizens do we need to get this thing moving?

38 million citizens now on food stamps!!

And when did we last hear Obama say one word about the homeless or impoverished among us?

Anything about throwing out NAFTA or the other unjust trade agreements?

War on unemployment, maybe?

[bertman]

62. I agree, defendandprotect.

[KansDem]

23. How long does it take to train "security forces?"

I'm so sick and tired of hearing the canard, "We'll be there for xyz more number of years so we can train the Iraqi/Afghan "security forces" to take over when we leave." Horseshit!!! We've been there about as long as it takes to "train" a high-school graduate to be an M.D.!!!

It shouldn't take as long to train a "security force" as it does to educate and train a medical doctor!

[Andronex]

25. Michael stop being so naive...

Stop feeding us the official narrative about politician making mistakes. We did not get into Iraq because of intelligence failure, it was deliberate lies, the real reasons for our involvement cannot be revealed because no one, even in the RW would accept it. All wars are based on lies and this latest Afghan surge is no different. Obama is not making any "mistake", he is following the "agenda".

[rtassi]

27. I agree with you completely n/t

[bertman]

66. You nailed it, Andronex. Welcome to DU.

[unapatriciated]

26. K&R

[katty]

28. it is INSANE - very very depressing to say the least

[pjt7]

30. Michael Moore knows who was really behind 9.11

& who forced Obama to wage more war on Afghanistan. I'm suprised he went with "people make mistakes" b.s.

[liberation]

34. I think he is uncomfortable with directly undermining Obama

probably he is under the impression this administration is as close to anything liberal the US Presidency is likely to ever get.

It is either deliberate, as to not undermine the popular movement that got Obama elected. Or is part of the stages of coping, with denial being one of the early ones.

Some people need just a couple of instances to get the hint of where things really stand, others need more, and lastly others never get the memo no matter how much evidence to the contrary they are shown.

[Cleita]

35. Yep, it's quite obvious in his film "Fahrenheit 911"

which I watch on DVD every now and then to remind myself. I'm grateful that Obama hasn't felt that he needs to kiss them and hold hands yet.

[Techn0Girl]

31. More Troops means Less War !

We have always been at war with Afghanistan.

[howmad1]

61. You know that old canard.......

....."fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity."

[Bushknew]

32. BBC now admits al qaeda never existed

Summary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-hYorNi0nA

Long versions:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI2Uwm3ScR0&feature=PlayList&p=5BF86B79B4D1425E&index=14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sSpXakQ8fM&feature=PlayList&p=5BF86B79B4D1425E&index=15

[Lorien]

44. Have these been posted in the video forum before?

They deserve a thread of their own!

[Greyhound]

36. K&R.

[Poll_Blind]

38. k&r and shaking my head... n/t

PB

[Lorien]

39. OK, so if there are only 100 or so "Al Qaeda" over there, then

why not hire 150 professional bounty hunters to take them out or capture them?

Oh, yeah-not much for the war profiteers in that plan!

[pjt7]

54. Ya can't control the Heroin trade or

get a critical gas-line built, with bounty hunters.. Come on.

Oh, China also wants their Cooper.

Bottom line is Iraq's oil is being divided by China,US,UK etc.

Same powers want Afghans's goods.

[Why Syzygy]

72. Bingo. nt

[Skink]

40. He should have declared war on Pakistan.

They have given safe harbor to Al Quieda.

[vaberella]

48. Tha't's absurd.

Even though DU likes to paint Obama like Bush---he's not. He said clearly in his speech last night and we all know very well that Pakistan is a sovereign nation and we have no authority to do anything there. ie That means invade even if we have enough evidence that warrants it. I think it would be assinine anyway. Secondly, it would escalate the situation even more.

[Skink]

49. we shouldn't be there then.

[pjt7]

57. vaberella

Blackwater is conducting operations in Pakistan & plenty of US drone bombs have been dropped, while Obama has been in power. Whatever came out of Obama's mouth about Pakistan's independence, is just talk.

[bertman]

64. The sovereign nation part didn't seem to bother him much when we were using drones to

kill people inside Pakistan earlier this year--during the first few months of his Presidency.

[Why Syzygy]

80. BWHAHA!

We're fighting the "war" in PAKISTAN too! Sheesh. Why do you think those civilians have crossed the border?

[donco6]

89. We've done everything BUT invade Pakistan. n/t

[Why Syzygy]

79. We have decalred war on Pakistan.

Seen the refuges?

[stopbush]

41. Makes one happy Obama is president and not Michael Moore. eom

[Lorien]

43. speak for yourself

just what exactly did you disagree with?

[Divine Discontent]

55. I'd love to hear that person get on live TV & express their opinions with the intellect Moore showed

he was awesome, and my goodness, to answer and have ready those facts is breathtaking - he knows what many of us know - and it's a shame that we're being WARRED to death... this country can't take this crap.

[valerief]

46. Michael is 100% right! nt

[KoKo]

47. K&R

[orbitalman]

52. KK&RR

[dana_b]

58. another K&R

for knowledge and sense

[diamidue]

59. Or how about stopping war profiteering?

Harry Truman compared war profiteering to treason. No obscene profits = no war.

Boy those days are long gone.

I loved MM's response to Obama's speech. Michael Moore for President...!

[benchwarmer]

63. Love his movies, but can't get behind him on this one...

Opposing a war for the sake of opposing War is irresponsible and entirely too idealistic. Not that I expect any less from Mr. Moore, who if you skin the onion, is really just an ideologue wishing for rainbows and unicorns in a world where rainbows show more often in oil slicks and unicorns are just goats with their horns surgically altered for our amusement....
(I still like his movies though)

*takes breath*

Anyway, I'm what you'd call a liberal-leaning independent. I opposed the Iraq war, was a big Dean supporter because of it (yes, even after the "scream"). Later on, the Iraq war was one major reason that I didn't vote for McCain (yeah, in this case the independent part of me was temporarily over-ruling the liberal part), the other reason was Dumbass from Alaska.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I support Obama's threading of this needle. It must have been an impossible decision to make, politically it's a red hot potato. His base is divided, the republicans are only going to give him partial support on the effort and pretty much he's not going to pick up any votes from this or makeup any political capital.

I look at it as just another mess that George W. Bush left for him to clean up. Something that should have been wrapped up in a pretty bow years ago, had Georgie Porgy not taken his eye off the ball. I don't believe that Obama has the luxury of just leaving Afghanistan, and frankly I think that would have been an entirely wrong-headed approach. After all, our divestment in Afghanistan (after we helped spend the Soviets out of the country) was directly responsible for the rise of the Taliban and the eventual harboring of Al Qaeda that facilitated the attacks on New York. With Pakistan now under threat as well, we simply cannot abandon the area militarily. My biggest hope is that the euphoria over the change in US administration abroad, will translate into a big contribution (troops, civilians or just raw capital) from our allies.

[Why Syzygy]

71. Welcome to DU

:hi:

We disagree! You'll fit right in.

[pleah]

65. K&R

[bertman]

67. Rec and kick. I thought Michael was pretty restrained and said the right things.

[golddigger]

69. K&R

[colsohlibgal]

75. Dead On Michael

The defense contractors win again, they keep getting rich while our soldiers die or have to live the rest of their lives maimed one way or another.

Obama is almost certainly going to lose even more of his base after his Dubya lite speech.

[mother earth]

78. Why Syz, K & R, all the way, for you & your son.

:kick:

Backdoor drafts exist because they don't have the decency to institute the real one, they know it would mean a swift end to the war(s)...Rangel was right.

[Why Syzygy]

81. My son is fortunate.

He is well educated and a commissioned officer. A lifer. He was commissioned in 2001. After Clinton had drawn down the military to such a degree, I thought he was safe. Not for long.

Thanks, ME :hug:

[mother earth]

82. All the more reason to want an end to these wars, WS.

:hug: back at cha. I hope the outcry doesn't stop until the war does.

[wroberts189]

84. Thx knr/nt

[Jello Biafra]

85. I really believe that Obama is answering....

to a higher authority and it's not his call. The Saudis, Afghans, Iraqis didn't start this war...we did.

[Grassy Knoll]

88. K & R.........n/t

[Overseas]

91. Love the idea of drafting kids of the Top 5% first..

But in fact, I was quite surprised to see a pro-war expert on TV saying the escalation would help because it would create more work in the military and Americans need jobs. !!

[DonkeyHoTay]

92. Michael's Slopposition to the Afghanistan Speech

Walt Kelly - Slopposition

Oh, once the opposition was completely opposed,
To all the supposition that was generally supposed,
But now the superstitions that were thought to be imposed,
Are seen by composition to be slightly decomposed.


That's what happens when the Left's opposition to war suddenly turns Right into a bloody surge...
Democrats get slightly decomposed!

[L0oniX]

93. Fuck the wars. Stop joining the fucking military ...idiots!

[Kahoneez]

95. Michael Moore's " Good Heart "

Do you really think OBAMA linked the troop increase to the fantastical " Exit Strategy " not to placate his left base , and to sell the troop increase ( I hate the Surge 'crap )TROOP INCREASE to get his base on board , of course . He could have had an exit strategy months ago and the political theater in my opinion by McCain criticizing the " exit strategy " is just that . . political theater , by the controlled opposition .

History and evidence proves , starting w/ OBAMA's manufactured straw man assertion , Bush " took his eyes off the Ball " by that time Billion were spent , thousands of civilians were killed , Billions dollar Bases were built, and if bush couldn't defeat the Taliban , we'll DUH , nor could the British , Alexander the not so Great , etc etc etc . Obama and the military Industrial Complex knew they had to prepare and manufacture consent for increase of the WAR. And the Bush Failure in Afghanistan is the perfect line . . to get military rolling , got to clean up , yup stupid liberals will believe , it's just a clean up bush's mess thang , ya that's the ticket .

Here's the Fn REALITY , The Taliban went to Houston Texas for OIL Seminar and to work on an OIL PIPELINE in the late 90s and was even represented by Leyla Helms daughter of CIA Helms , director , ya its the obvious connection . Taliban got bad PR and they refused deal bcs they couldn't get open pipeline to take % of oil through Afghanistan , which actually makes good business sense , no matter how bad they were (not to bad to do business with ha ) . OIL , PIPELINES , limiting China , surrounding Russia & Iran . BASES to launch aTTACKS .

And after they turned Iraq into Bantustan , divided cities , ethnically cleansed , Barriers and Gates w/ retina scan ID for all Iraqis set up by U.S. and then paid off of the resistance , THEN they could "focus " on Afghanistan. So it really wasn't about Bush forgetting bout ole Afghanistan, too busy bcs of golf or losing his globe . It's a CON JOB by OBAMA , PLAIN AND SIMPLE ..THEY POLICY OF full SPECTRUM Dominance AS WRITTEN ABOUT by his mentor Brzezinski - "controlling Eurasia and subjugating Africa " has been planned for YEARS . For A. the Caspian Oil Pipeline through Afghanistan , creating BASES to launch attack and pivot on any country in Region , hence why OBAMA is escalating U.S. military in Region , pulling troops out of IRAQ AND replacing those with Mercenaries . . AND NOW ...OBAMA and mouth piece for Pentagon the complicit CNN are manufacturing consent for attacking SOMALIA & YEMEN , on and on and on ...actually the war on Somalia has been going on for years , just covered up by media .

It's not even OBAMA's war , it's the U.S, Governments War and Pentagon's war and it will continue long after OBAMA completes his phase of escalation of their plans AND THE BEAT GOES ON and because he's "cool" plays hoops Liberals will over look the blown up Bodies by the thousands , over look KARZAI REGIME allegedly involved in DRUGS , Who also STOLE the election and over saw the increase 12 X of poppy production AFTER invasion , ya Taliban cut poppy by 90 % according to UN , look it up . Add that to OIL .

It's A PERMANENT OCCUPATION PEOPLE AND YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT .. AND " THE COSTS OF WAR IS SOCIALIZED AND THE PROFITS ARE PRIVATIZED " WELCOME TO BAGHRAM PRISON , INMATES FROM GUANTANAMO ...

[Why Syzygy]

101. You should post more often. nt

[earth mom]

96. I like when Moore says draft only rich peoples children!

Larry obviously didn't like that part because Larry is rich as hell and has a couple of pre teen or teenage boys.

Oh well, the truth hurts Larry.

[Triana]

100. I've told people TIME and TIME again that most of the 9-11 hijackers were from SAUDI

NOT Iraq or Afghanistan so WHY THE HELL are we going to Iraq and Afghanistan? I get either:

1. Dumb, blank stare (crickets) or;
2. some mealy-mouthed excuse about what a bad guy Saddam was and how bad the Taliban is

Yea. Sadaam was bad (nevermind that we CREATED AND FUNDED the sonofabitch ourselves - pfft!) and yea the Taliban are nasty. THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN NASTY - what does THAT have to do with 9-11 or "al Queda" (IF such an entity even EXISTS) ???

crickets . . .

Michael Moore is RIGHT - this is effing INSANE - and it has been since DAY ONE of this pretentious money-grubbing game! :grr:

[OneBlueSky]

103. right you are . . . and it remains an open question as to who . . .

was in on the planning of the whole operation . . . some guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan? . . . not bloody likely . . .

MIHOP (MadeItHappenOnPurpose)? . . . maybe, at least for aspects of it . . .

LIHOP (LetItHappenOnPurpose)? . . . bloody likely, if you look at all the evidence with an open mind and a little common sense . . .

FIHOP (FacilitatedItHappeningOnPurpose)? . . . actually, this is the MOST likely reality -- again, looking at the evidence dispassionately and not letting the "official story" cloud your perception . . .

but, hey . . . fighting a war in Afghanistan keeps these kinds of questions from being asked, don't it . . . so we lose a couple thousand more of our own military and who knows how many Afghanis . . . "just a little collateral damage, don'tcha know . . . not to worry . . . we got this one!" . . .

yeah . . . right . . . :grr:

PS . . . were there ANY Afghani hijackers? . . . I do recall some prominent Pakistanis as having allegedly played a significant role . . . some of our local "assets," I do believe . . .

PSS . . . what happened on 9/11 was used to justify everything from the Patriot Act to invading Iraq to hanging Saddam to trashing Afghanistan prior to occupying it . . . how conveeeeeeenient . . .

[Triana]

108. I vote FIHOP

And I'm SICK of 9-11 being used as an excuse for WORSE crimes against this country and humanity than 9-11 itself was, no matter who did it.

This country doesn't have a damn leg to stand on when it comes to human rights, pre-emptive war, morality, or anything else, considering its actions surrounding this. Not even a half a leg. It's disgusting and embarrassing. And OBAMA is on his bandwagon too now. Ugh.

[polichick]

102. Beautifully said - K&R