Young Turks: 'The End of Poverty'-Can We Make It Happen? Movie Review w/ Jonathan Kim

[CherylK]

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[ihavenobias]

1. I need to add this movie to my list.

First I need to see TR Reid's healthcare documentaries.

Big News:

[Triana]

2. I don't know if we can make it happen but it's nice to hear someone talking about it

instead of ignoring it, for a change. THIS is one of those huge moral issues that we as a society and nation OUGHT to be addressing instead of starting or perpetuating more effing WARS and trying to control or oppress women and gays.

Far be it for the United States of America to have ANY proper sense of priorities in the world.

[ProfessorPlum]

3. This is a super-important topic, and basically it is what the Shock Doctrine

is about. Everyone needs to read that book to see just how evil the IMF is. Basically, people around the world have been fucked, then made to pay for the costs of the fucking. This debt scheme, which is what Bono is always going on about, is about the most evil thing in the whole world, brought to us by the loving hands of the multinational corporations. In the Shock Doctrine, Naomi Klein spells it all out, how it has been done around the world, and you can see exactly what is in store for American citizens too - now that their sights have been turned on us.

[Puppyjive]

4. Idahoans eat Maine potatoes

Take a class in cultural anthropology and you will learn that most everything in the documentary is true. European colinization has destroyed man's ability to live off his surroundings. Western civilization is the robber barons of the earth. I bought a bag of cranberries today that were produced in Wisconsin. I live in Oregon. We grow cranberries in Oregon.

[izquierdista]

5. Cenk glosses over the answer about 10 minutes in

This movie is all fine about discussing the interaction between the First World and the Third World, but there was a Second World in there at one point, the Communist countries. And no Cenk, it can't be easily dismissed as not working out because they didn't have private ownership of land. The Soviet Union was a war ravaged wreck in 1945, but by 1960, everyone had housing, everyone had health care, everyone of working age had income because they had a job, all the old people were on pensions, and they were ahead in the space race. Had it not been for Brezhnev the kleptocrat, they could have indeed fulfilled Khruschev's promise to bury the living standard of the west. The people that learned from observing the Soviets closely were the Scandinavians, incorporating many of the socialist ideas that were started in the Soviet Union, and they have the world's highest standard of living today.

[ProfessorPlum]

6. mmmm - I think there were social democratic parties in most of Europe

even before the Russian revolution. But what Scandinavian countries have today is not really socialism, right? It's capitalism with high taxes, which works out very nicely indeed.

Your point about the Soviet Union in the 60s is an excellent one, though.

[izquierdista]

7. Not really socialism, not really capitalism

Those are just two ends on the spectrum, and nothing works very well unless it has balance. Socialism does well at providing people with what they need -- public transportation, health care, pensions, education, while capitalism does well at providing people with what they want -- designer jeans, scented toilet paper, and Hannah Montana lunchboxes.