Andrew Sullivan Has Questions About Sarah Palin's Baby!

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Andrew Sullivan: I'm Breaking From The Right


Reacting to prominent conservative blogger Charles Johnson's announcement that he would not follow the right wing off a cliff, Andrew Sullivan is offering his own reasons for parting with the movement.

Johnson, who blogs at Little Green Footballs, wrote on Monday that fanatic politicians, racism, sexism, anti-Islamism, hate speech, conspiracy theories and other troubling trends on the right wing have led him to make a formal break.

"The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff," he concluded. "I won't be going over the cliff with them."

Andrew Sullivan, though not as consistent a conservative as Johnson, felt compelled to emphasize his own separation from the right wing. Among other things, he writes:

I cannot support a movement that holds that purely religious doctrine should govern civil political decisions and that uses the sacredness of religious faith for the pursuit of worldly power.

I cannot support a movement that is deeply homophobic, cynically deploys fear of homosexuals to win votes, and gives off such a racist vibe that its share of the minority vote remains pitiful.

I cannot support a movement which has no real respect for the institutions of government and is prepared to use any tactic and any means to fight political warfare rather than conduct a political conversation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/andrew-sullivan-im-breaki_n_378625.html


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[Enthusiast]

1. Funny. nt

[cyclezealot]

5. Bizarre

Her own variation of the immaculate birth.. Oh the pain...

[Lerkfish]

2. they made their beds, now they have to lie in them

no sympathy from this quarter.

[jberryhill]

7. Were you born enlightened?

How was humanity blessed by those who never needed to learn, grow, or change?

[Lerkfish]

18. Except that we ALL suffered for THEIR ignorance.

and while they were suffering in their ignorance, they wanted liberals like me rounded up in camps, monitored by Homeland Security, and demanded the evaporation of MY rights.


If they were the only ones to suffer for their lack of enlightenment, I would have some sympathy for them.


now, what was your condescending snark again?

[jberryhill]

22. Rounded up in camps?

Liberals were rounded up in camps? At Andrew Sullivan's demand, no less.

Man, I need to pay more attention to the news.

[demwing]

32. Why so snarky?

The poster said "they wanted" not "they did."

And even if the Palinistas didn't come right out and say what they wanted, the implication was clear.

Sarah Palin was once a pretty face with an empty mind and a stone cold heart. Not anymore. It seems as if the stone cold has taken over her looks as well. Ugly is as ugly does, and Palin has gotten less pretty with every ugly though that somehow formed in the intellectual void that consumes her vapid and arrested cognitive process.

Why you defend her is a mystery. She aint that cute anymore.

[jberryhill]

37. LOL... defending Palin, that's rich

Um, no, I was actually defending Andrew Sullivan for going after her, and suggesting that people do change their minds. When they change their mind to our side, that is not a bad thing.

But thanks for playing.

[demwing]

38. Well thats entirely different

Why didn't you say so?

[jberryhill]

44. Too busy...

...trying to keep Lerkfish behind the barbed wire of the FEMA camp.

[Cha]

39. Good point.

[ScottLand]

3. That was cool. I like the way he expresses himself.

We need to get away from labels - that's one of the funniest things about the "Conservative radio hosts" - you're a liberal or a conservative; black or white. They don't understand someone who's not one or the other.

[DMNinFL]

10. Radio hosts?????

You should go on some of the right wing message boards. It will absolutely blow your mind. I love to go into a few of them, and drop a post here and there. The crap starts flying like you wouldn't believe!!! They believe Democrats and Liberals can do NOTHING right. Absolutely NOTHING. Fun to watch!!!!:rofl:

[ScottLand]

25. I do read some of the op-ed pieces and I agree

those are tremendously one-noted. Not sure how much of that I could stomach frankly.

Also, I notice a lot of them call themselves "independents" but they still continually express support for republicans and disdain for democrats. I believe this is to distance themselves from a failing party and/or to give the appearance that they judge everything on its own merit (it just happens that they ALWAYS agree with the Republicans).

[ihavenobias]

27. Exactly right about many who claim to be "independents". n/t

[WhoIsNumberNone]

28. I've noticed that too-

The way the hard core right wingers like to call themselves 'independents'. To add to that, when they are right wing religious nuts they usually will insist that they are simply 'christians', and won't let themselves be pinned down to a denomination (I suspect many of these people don't actually go to church, but get most of their spiritual sustenance from watching Kenneth Copeland on TV)

[ScottLand]

46. Most people aren't going to admit they're right-wing

extremist batshit crazy. In their minds, they're sitting at God's right hand.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

47. Not even to themselves-

Most of the really batshit crazy right wingers seem to see themselves as conservative centrists.

[DMNinFL]

35. It's worse.....

when you get into their message boards. The "independents" call themselves "conservatives". Palin is a goddes. Mr. Obama is a socailist/Marxist/commie, Nanci Pelosi is a whore, and Harry Reid is a fool. It never changes. If you bring up race they go crazy in denial. If you bring up Bush created problems they just say it's a a cop out. If you bring up the "Tea Party Rally Goers" and the witchdoctor and Hitler signs, watch out. The fun will be more than you can stand.

If you all want a good board to go to let me know. I'll pop you a url.

I'm kind of a moderate, and they hate me. Go figure. :-)

[ScottLand]

45. Well, a lot of the talking heads I hear

identify themselves as "independents" when they talk about voting and later they'll say they're "Reagan Conservatives" which I think translates to "submissive to God" in our language.

What I don't get is the people who call in and ask advice. You'd think at some point, they'd say, "hey, even I could sit around and say 'liberal bad' and 'conservative good'.

If you rely on a Rush Limbaugh to tell you what's right and wrong, while identifying yourself as an independent, can you really convince yourself that you think for yourself?

[bulloney]

4. People should relentlessly question whether the baby is Sarah's.

If Palin's going to go around and continue her crusade that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, he pals around with terrorists and whatever, then turn the tables on her regarding the baby, her family's association with that Alaska secessionist group and her whacky religious ties.

I think there's more substance to those subjects than the ones that she helps perpetuate.

[Bitwit1234]

6. But the funny thing is

when Palin was governor she constantly made reference to the fact that there should be separation from church and state. That religion should not be a part of government. So now that is wants to get cozy with the nutty religious freaks and to possibly get their vote, she wants to join them.

[AlbertCat]

36. when Palin was governor she constantly made reference to the fact.....

that she will obviously say (but not do) anything she thinks will get her ahead. She doesn't believe in anything but is only worried about how she appears to others. Now the funny thing is, she's transparently bad at it to the point she means and stands for nothing...but Sarah of course.

[mopinko]

8. a gift basket!

that is pretty funny.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

29. I want one of those.

Lots of cool stuff in it.

[mopinko]

34. right?

me too.

[eagertolearn]

9. I am so with him on the baby story. Sarah either was hoping something would happen

to the baby or the baby is not here's. I just thought it was weird that all the pictures on line of her family the year before suddenly dissapeared and did anyone see that video of an interview with her a few weeks before the delivery? She was walking fast from her home to the office in heels while drinking coffee and talking...I don't know about anyone else but I waddled at that point in my pregnancies. That video seemed to have dissapeared too.

[Cosmocat]

12. It is a BS story all around ...

replace Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton in a story about a mother whose water broke in TEXAS, got on an Fin airplane and flew to ALASKA, got in a car and drove home or wherever the F it was, to have a baby, and the right/MSM would have PILLORED Hillary for being a horrific mom in placing an unborn child at risk.

Seriously, we would have heard NO END about how "liberals" hate birth so much, the mother was so calculating and callous to do that ...

But, with the Palin STORY, it is about a strong mother going to have her baby in Alaska ...

WHAT ... THE ... FRUCK ...

Like everything else with this lunatic/freakshow, it doesn't add up ...

[Enthusiast]

24. You figured it right. nt

[Botany]

11. This picture was taken when Sarah was "pregnant" w/ Trigg

Sure looks likes Bristol is the one w/ the baby bump.

[eagertolearn]

13. Yes this is the picture I saw and saved then it dissapeared.

How were they able to stop the truth. This seemed so obvious to me. And then Bristol missed 5 months of school becasue she had Mono or something. When Sarah did finally return from her trip hours after her water broke she didn't go to the closest hospital but to a small one that was futher away and it didn't seem to have a record of the baby being born on the day she said it was.

[Botany]

14. The whole thing is Kabuki Theater (the book tour)

She is touring to promote a book that anybody w/ a brain knows she didn't write.

She is pretending to ride a bus as she flies on private jet.

Acting as a leader after she quit as governor.

With a baby she claims to be the mother of that she didn't have.

[Stables2010]

30. all the while pretending not to be campaigning for president

Palin supporters are the anti-thesis to American exceptionalism, I bet others countries get a good laugh, she was selected as a VP candidate and she has enough repub support to become their nominee.(shudders, only because I love my country)

[joeybee12]

15. Why do people insist on lsitening to this worthless POS?

Why? Do you knwo what filth this man is?

[snake in the grass]

21. I agree.

Sullivan was one of W's biggest cheerleaders. He needs to crawl back under his rock.

[PinkoDonkey]

48. No, we need to hear more from him

He is, ultimately, the kind of conservative I'd like to see more of. He isn't a right wing radical, he is a conservative.

Has he taken positions in the past (like supporting W in 2000, like supporting the war in Iraq early on) that I disagree with? Of course. But when he's wrong, he admits it. Rather than see that kind of voice "crawl back under rock," I wish it had the same support in the GOP as the likes of Limbaugh, Beck and Palin.

[jamesatemple]

23. I'm at a disadvantage here...I'm ignorant of the facts that

someone (anyone) might use to come to the conclusion that Andrew Sullivan is a "worthless POS" and/or "filth". Still, with that personal deficiency aside, wouldn't it be reasonable to applaud any sign from such a man that he has or is beginning to "come around" to a political philosophy more in line with that of a "progressive"? Or, more particularly, his moving away from supporting the madness of the fundamentalist right wing posturing?

For those good folks here that believe in, what I call, the ancient myths, do you remember the assertion that Saul, while traveling on the road to Damascus, was converted by Yahweh into the disciple of Jesus known as "Paul"? While I don't have any confidence at all with regard to the verity of that story, it seems to me that the basic tenet of the tale is valid: Few have a past so perverse that change for the better is not viable.

I have no knowledge of the past of Andrew Sullivan, a deficiency that I intend to rectify at some near point in the future. Yet, the knowledge that I gained from the OP's video of Sullivan's stated positions on the craziness exhibited my many of those members of the conservative party persuade me to believe that he and I agree on many points. And, even with the benefit of knowing about Sullivan's past, whether good or bad, I would withhold judging him until I can determine whether his future actions support or belie his stance recorded in the video.

[eagertolearn]

26. I agree with you. I don't know this guy but the fact that he was

republican and is able to see the irony of the direction the party is going is fantastic. I just can't understand how "thinking people" can follow those leaders. My faith in the human being has been restored as people come out and say they don't know why people are following the Glen Becks and Rushs and the Sarah Palins.

[jamesatemple]

31. That's a great user name! Anyway...

it is difficult for me,too, to comprehend the popularity of folks with which we disagree in our political philosophies. The foibles of the conservative party seem so self-evident to many of us on the left. Yet, I have to remind myself, nearly half of the citizens who voted in the past presidential election supported the conservative candidates and, by extension, the right wing political platform. Most often, I find myself attributing that fact to ignorance, or religious fanaticism, or blind, robotic obedience, or self-interest, or some other reason that doesn't justify their position.

It hardly ever occurs to me that those good folks just have an opinion that differs from mine; a considered opinion which they support unreservedly. For that reason, I personally would refrain from labeling someone with whom I disagree as a "POS" and/or "filth". As a Secular Humanist, my religious views are at odds with that of nearly all my friends here in East Texas and, perhaps, most of the rest of the Country. Still, I don't condemn folks or label them with derogatory names merely because their religious philosophy varies from mine.

Happy holidays!

[thereismore]

16. I loved the basket gift. And his saying that Obama is a thoroughly decent man. nt

[LynnTheDem]

17. Common ground with the likes of Charles Johnson, at last.

Thing is, we have ALWAYS had common ground.

MOST Americans, left AND right, want food, education, and healthcare for ourselves and our families.

MOST Americans want the chance to work and be happy.

MOST Americans are NOT full of hatred.

From that common ground, the only difference is HOW we achieve our wants.

[Joanne98]

19. I don't believe the story about Trig's birth either! She's lying!

[crim son]

20. Good interview and surprise, I find I like Joy Behar.

I'm as conservative as Sullivan if I'm to go by what I just heard. Hmmmm... :wtf:

[robo50]

43. Joy is a Joy. I always respected Andrew Sullivan, he'a a reasonable

conservative. I wish there were a few more of them to listen to.

Andrew is good for America, and conservatives like him are a true blessing.

[asdjrocky]

33. That was a great segment and I really liked her.

Big surprise.

[Divine Discontent]

40. why isn't he a dem? so silly. there are dems who are watchdogs of the treasury & he's socially lib

[Tx4obama]

41. Photos prove Palin was NOT pregnant...

She used a pillow or something the last few days...


More photos here:
http://palingates.blogspot.com/2009/12/msnbc-reports-about-sarah-palins-bus.html

http://breepalin.blogspot.com/2009/09/sarah-palins-guide-to-procrastination.html

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[EFerrari]

42. I look forward to reading his "work" in the Enquirer.