Great Lakes too warm. Creates blizzard in North East.

[Mugsy]

Run time: 01:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lFH0bZHANE   Posted on YouTube: December 11, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: December 11, 2009 By DU Member: Mugsy Views on DU: 2685

 
A perfect example of how Global Warming can lead to increased snowfall in cold climates.

A mild November results in the Great Lakes water temperature being 4' degrees above normal, increasing evaporation that contributes to a massive "lake effect" snow storm blanketing the North East (December, 2009).

[endless october]

1. why do networks put reporters in the middle of dangerous shit?

you aren't Dan Rather, and it's not 1961. get the fuck back inside where it's safe.

[starroute]

5. It's not like it's a hurricane

And I bet he's standing about 6 feet in front of the local tv affiliate. Blizzards are pretty safe as long as you don't try to drive in them and don't stand under any falling trees.

[SergeStorms]

8. There are no........

local TV affiliates in East Aurora, but I'll bet he's not far from the front door of a Hotel. ;) That's usually where TWC reporters hide out during weather events.

[cartach]

14. Hold on !

Why would you want to deprive the rest of us of some much needed humor every time the weather report comes on during the hurricane,rainstorm or winter storm seasons? It's something that a great many of us look forward to,watching these silly bastards make fools of themselves while acting like children.However I'm sure that none of them are putting themselves in jeopardy and there is a lot of fakery going. Hopefully one of these times a mistake will be made and one of them will actually be blown away never to be seen again. Time for a little tragedy and I for one am looking forward to it. Maybe teach the stupid idiots a lesson.

[jberryhill]

22. Best Reporter In Flood Ever....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q64qvkVtXd0

[54anickel]

26. *SNARF* Thanks, I hadn't seen that one before!

[jberryhill]

28. Maybe it was Jesus

and a buddy of his.

[Mugsy]

2. DU. Please disable "vote down" feature!

A moment ago, this video had 4 votes. Now it only has 3.

Freepers should not be allowed to come in an take away votes given by other members.

DU needs to get rid of that "feature". :(

[niceypoo]

3. The 'Drama' feature

[Mithreal]

6. Maybe someone unrec'd for that cheesy last statement.

"Man, it looks like a Hollywood movie..."

Looks like a snow storm to me.

[madrchsod]

4. it also effects the climate west of chicago

a larger pool of warm water/air is effecting the weather further west of chicago. the latest storm had winds out of the east for about 24 hrs....

[PSzymeczek]

21. Whatever it's doing on the lakefront,

it's doing more of it out in the suburbs.

[Goldstein1984]

7. I can see the James Inhofe headline now...

Climate change and warming water causing lake effect snow is probably a little complex for the in-denial crowd.

And yes, it would have been fine if the reporter just stood in front of a big window and talked about the blizzard.

HA HA! Spell Check just gave me the option of replacing or ignoring "Inhofe!" Wouldn't either be nice?

[SergeStorms]

9. I was born and raised in the lake effect belt..........

this is actually pretty normal. :shrug: I didn't "unrec" or anything, but if I had a dime for every lake effect storm I've been through I would have been able to get the heck out of there a lot sooner. The lake temps fluctuate from year to year, and this is not uncommon. To lay this at the feet of "global warming" is a stretch. I'm 59 and we had storms like this when I was a kid, and even before that, when records were kept on clay tablets. ;)

The Lake Erie snow belt is getting hit hard, as usual. Buffalo actually doesn't get that much snow. It's areas south and east of Buffalo that get hit hardest (East Aurora!). The same goes for the Tug Hill Plateau east of Lake Ontario. It's not unusual for them to get 2 feet of snow in a single day. Lake Erie will eventually freeze over, as it's the shallowest of the Great Lakes. Ontario seldom completely freezes over, and the Tug Hill Plateau always gets massive amounts of snow. The local economy depends upon it.

So, to we "snowbelters" this is pretty much a non-event. Business as usual, although damned inconvenient.

I decided to wait until after the holidays to migrate to Florida this year. I'm very much looking forward to getting the hell out of here now. My old bones need some warmth. Brrrrrrrrr. 15 degrees this morning. YIKES! :wow: And I'm north of the Lake Erie snow belt. We got about 3 inches yesterday and a dusting overnight tonight. :shrug: No big deal.

[Mugsy]

12. Serves more as an example.

Simply because the temperature of the Great Lakes "fluctuates often", doesn't make the point any less relevant.

The primary reason this clip caught my attention was that it demonstrates how "warming" can lead to "increased snowfall"... something the deniers often drag out to "prove" Global Warming doesn't exist.

[Jophus]

25. Invalid Point

You know that the more snow you get, does not mean the colder it is outside right? It is just what rain looks like in December. This report is complete garbage. I'm sorry. See my post further down the thread for even more reasons why this whole report is irresponsible 'journalism.'

[Sinistrous]

17. Remember 1957?

[SergeStorms]

10. I was born and raised in the lake effect belt..........

this is actually pretty normal. :shrug: I didn't "unrec" or anything, but if I had a dime for every lake effect storm I've been through I would have been able to get the heck out of there a lot sooner. The lake temps fluctuate from year to year, and this is not uncommon. To lay this at the feet of "global warming" is a stretch. I'm 59 and we had storms like this when I was a kid, and even before that, when records were kept on clay tablets. ;)

The Lake Erie snow belt is getting hit hard, as usual. Buffalo actually doesn't get that much snow. It's areas south and east of Buffalo that get hit hardest (East Aurora!). The same goes for the Tug Hill Plateau east of Lake Ontario. It's not unusual for them to get 2 feet of snow in a single day. Lake Erie will eventually freeze over, as it's the shallowest of the Great Lakes. Ontario seldom completely freezes over, and the Tug Hill Plateau always gets massive amounts of snow. The local economy depends upon it.

So, to we "snowbelters" this is pretty much a non-event. Business as usual, although damned inconvenient.

I decided to wait until after the holidays to migrate to Florida this year. I'm very much looking forward to getting the hell out of here now. My old bones need some warmth. Brrrrrrrrr. 15 degrees this morning. YIKES! :wow: And I'm north of the Lake Erie snow belt. We got about 3 inches yesterday and a dusting overnight tonight. :shrug: No big deal.

[Roon]

19. I used to find it strange that my Grandparents would load up

and go to tempe and needles just to live in a fifth wheel for the winter. I don't think it's strange anymore...lol

[bowens43]

11. I'm 50 years old and lived along lake Erie for the first 30 years of my life

There is nothing unusual about this.

[Mugsy]

13. That's the problem...

...isn't it?

Blizzards like this due to above average lake water temperatures SHOULD be uncommon, don'tcha think?

[cartach]

15. Depends

Not hard to be above average. Can happen as many times as being below average.

[wial]

16. I guess the question

is how unusual was the extra 4 degrees in November? Probably not that unusual. Lake effect is age old.

The signal for actual global warming is masked by local variations, to be sure. The original poster's point, it bears repeating, was merely to show an example of how warming can cause more snow, which has been something very hard for the deniers to grasp at any level. There are many other warming related phenomena that can cause more snow -- changes in the jet stream, in ocean currents. Weather patterns at every level are shifting and weather has always run in great meandering curves and loops like rivers and swirling eddies. Now those curves are shifting in predictable but sometimes locally surprising ways. In one place it might be colder, in another hotter, but in general there's more chaotic energy in the system, like water swirling before it boils, and if you take the temperature of the whole thing, it's going up.

Apologies for stating the obvious, but I insist on continuing to believe some people just haven't understood the situation yet and still just need to hear simple explanations to come around. Others of course are beyond help because their pride and/or conscience is at stake.

[zeemike]

18. Water stores a lot of energy

And the amount of energy in one degree of temperature in a body of water that size is enormous.
so 4 degrees is significant.

[wial]

20. don't get me wrong

if you cruise over to Dr. Jeff Masters' WunderBlog you'll find an article about a AGW-driven new weather pattern that might even explain this occurrence. Just saying there's such variability in weather from day to day and year to year in many places. If the moon suddenly got bigger everyone would notice even though its apparent size changes through the night due to lensing of the atmosphere, but with climate you have to look at things like ice cap extent to see the signal directly, or global average temperature, or global frequency/intensity of storms (not in any one ocean, which is subject to the various old and new oscillations).

looking at new oscillations and dipoles as Dr Masters shows us -- now that's scary stuff. If the new Arctic Dipole takes hold permanently, we're seriously in for it.

[zeemike]

29. Thanks for that link

That was interesting.

[crazyjoe]

23. give me a break

[Jophus]

24. I want names.

He says this storm is producing so much snow that even vetern meteorologists are taking note. First of all, isn't it a meteorologists job to note the data? Secondly, in this same report they say that they got 8-10 inches. Are you kidding me? I live in a snow-belt. Give me the names of at least one of these meteorologists who thinks 8 inches of snow is some sort of freak event.

It is junk like this that eats away at the credibility of the climate change movement.

[winyanstaz]

27. yes and global warming is causing record snow storms across the midwest...

Never mind that is December and it always snows and blizzards there :P

[MrObama]

30. like a typical swedish winter day :-)