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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:28 PM
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Olbermann Special Comment PT. 2 - HCR 'Mandate Must Be Stripped; Immoral & A Betrayal'
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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 16 December 2009: Special Comment on the state of health care reform.

SPECIAL COMMENT
By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
msnbc.com

Finally, as promised, a Special Comment on the latest version of H-R 35-90, the Senate Health Care Reform bill. To again quote Churchill after Munich, as I did six nights ago on this program: "I will begin by saying the most unpopular and most unwelcome thing: that we have sustained a total and unmitigated defeat, without a war."

Last night on this program Howard Dean said that with the appeasement of Mr. Lieberman of Connecticut by the abandonment of the Medicare Buy-in, he could no longer support H-R 35-90. Dr. Dean's argument is informed, cogent, heart breaking, and unanswerable.

Seeking the least common denominator, Sen. Reid has found it, especially the "least" part. This is not health, this is not care, this is certainly not reform. I bless the Sherrod Browns and Ron Wydens and Jay Rockefellers and Sheldon Whitehouses and Anthony Weiners and all the others who have fought for real reform and I bleed for the pain inflicted upon them and their hopes. They have done their jobs and served their nation.

But through circumstances beyond their control, they are now seeking to reanimate a corpse killed by the Republicans, and by a political game played in the Senate and in the White House by men and women who have now proved themselves poorly equipped for the fight. The "men" of the current moment, have lost to the "mice" of history.

They must now not make the defeat worse by passing a hollow shell of a bill just for the sake of a big-stage signing ceremony. This bill, slowly bled to death by the political equivalent of the leeches that were once thought state-of-the-art-medicine, is now little more than a series of microscopically minor tweaks of a system which is the real-life, here-and-now version, of the malarkey of the Town Hallers. The American Insurance Cartel is the Death Panel, and this Senate bill does nothing to destroy it. Nor even to satiate it.

It merely decrees that our underprivileged, our sick, our elderly, our middle class, can be fed into it, as human sacrifices to the great maw of corporate voraciousness, at a profit per victim of 10 cents on the dollar instead of the current 20. Even before the support columns of reform were knocked down, one by one, with the kind of passive defense that would embarrass a touch-football player - single-payer, the public option, the Medicare Buy-In - before they vanished, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the part of this bill that would require you to buy insurance unless you could prove you could not afford it, would cost a family of four with a household income of 54-thousand dollars a year, 17 percent of that income. Nine thousand dollars a year. Just for the insurance!

That was with a public option. That was with some kind of check on the insurance companies. That was before — as Howard Dean pointed out — the revelation that the cartel will still be able to charge older people more than others; will — at the least — now be able to charge much more, maybe 50 percent more, for people with pre-existing conditions — pre-existing conditions; you know, like being alive.

You have just agreed to purchase a product. If you do not, you will be breaking the law and subject to a fine. You have no control over how much you will pay for the product. The government will have virtually no control over how much the company will charge for the product. The product is designed like the Monty Python sketch about the insurance company's "Never-Pay" policy ... "which, you know, if you never claim — is very worthwhile. But you had to claim, and, well, there it is."

And who do we have to blame for this? There are enough villains to go around, men and women who, in a just world, would be the next to get sick and have to sell their homes or their memories or their futures — just to keep themselves alive, just to keep their children alive, against the implacable enemy of American society, the insurance cartel. Mr. Grassley of Iowa has lied, and fomented panic and fear. Mr. DeMint of South Carolina has forgotten he represents people, and not just a political party. Mr. Baucus of Montana has operated as a virtual agent for the industry he is charged with regulating. Mr. Nelson of Nebraska has not only derailed reform, he has tried to exploit it to overturn a Supreme Court decision that, in this context, is frankly none of his goddamned business.

They say they have done what they have done for the most important, the most fiscally prudent, the most gloriously phrased, the most inescapable of reasons. But mostly they have done it for the money. Lots and lots of money from the insurance companies and the pharmacological companies and the other health care companies who have slowly taken this country over.

Which brings us to Mr. Lieberman of Connecticut, the one man at the center of this farcical perversion of what a government is supposed to be. Out of pique, out of revenge, out of betrayal of his earlier wiser saner self, he has sold untold hundreds of thousands of us into pain and fear and privation and slavery — for money. He has been bought and sold by the insurance lobby. He has become a Senatorial prostitute. And sadly, the President has not provided the leadership his office demands.

He has badly misjudged the country's mood at all ends of the spectrum. There is no middle to coalesce here, Sir. There are only the uninformed, the bought-off, and the vast suffering majority for whom the urgency of now is a call from a collection agency or a threat of rescission of policy or a warning of expiration of services.

Sir, your hands-off approach, while nobly intended and perhaps yet some day applicable to the reality of an improved version of our nation, enabled the national humiliation that was the Town Halls and the insufferable Neanderthalian stupidity of Congressman Wilson and the street-walking of Mr. Lieberman.

Instead of continuing this snipe-hunt for the endangered and possibly extinct creature "bipartisanship," you need to push the Republicans around or cut them out or both. You need to threaten Democrats like Baucus and the others with the ends of their careers in the party. Instead, those Democrats have threatened you, and the Republicans have pushed you and cut you out.

Mr. President, the line between "compromise" and "compromised" is an incredibly fine one. Any reform bill enrages the right, and provides it with the war cry around which it will rally its mindless legions in the midterms and in '12. But this Republican knee-jerk inflexibility provides an incredible opportunity to you, Sir, and an incredible license.

On April 6th 2003, I was approached by two drunken young men at a baseball game. One of them started to ask for an autograph. The other stopped him by shouting "Screw him, he's a liberal." This program had been on the air for three weeks. It had to that point consisted entirely of brief introductions to correspondents in Iraq or to military analysts. There had been no criticism, no political analysis, no commentary. I had not covered news full-time for more than four years. I could not fathom on what factual basis, I was being called a "liberal," let alone being sworn at for being such.

Only later did it dawn on me that it didn't matter why, and it didn't matter that they were doing it — it only mattered that if I was going to be mindlessly criticized for anything, the reaction would be identical whether I did nothing that engendered it, or stood for something that engendered it.

Mr. President, they are calling you a socialist, a communist, a Marxist. You could be further to the right than Reagan - and this health care bill, as Howard Dean put it here last night, this bailout for the insurance industry, sure invites the comparison. And they will still call you names.

Sir, if they are going to call you a socialist no matter what you do, you have been given full unfettered freedom to do what you know is just. The bill may be the ultimate political manifesto, or it may be the most delicate of compromises. The firestorm will be the same. So why not give the haters, as the clichι goes, something to cry about.

But concomitant with that is the reaction from Democrats and Independents. You have riven them, Sir. Any bill will engender criticism but this bill costs you the left — and anybody who now has to pony up 17 percent of his family's income to buy this equivalent of Medical Mobster Protection Money.

Some speaking for you, Sir, have called the public option a fetish. They may be right. But to stay with this uncomfortable language, this bill is less fetish, more bondage. Nothing short of your re-election and the re-election of dozens of Democrats in the house and senate, hinges in large part on this bill. Make it palatable or make it go away or make yourself ready — not merely for a horrifying campaign in 2012 — but for the distinct possibility also of a primary challenge.

Befitting the season, Sir, these are not the shadows of the things that will be, but the shadows of the things that may be. But at this point, Mr. President, only you can make certain of that. There is only one redemption possible. The mandate in this bill under which we are required to buy insurance must be stripped out.

The bill now is little more than a legally mandated delivery of the middle class (and those whose dreams of joining it slip ever further away) into a kind of Chicago stockyards of insurance. Make enough money to take care of yourself and your family and you must buy insurance — on the insurers terms — or face a fine.

This provision must go. It is, above all else, immoral and a betrayal of the people who elected you, Sir. You must now announce that you will veto any bill lacking an option or buy-in, but containing a mandate.

And Sen. Reid, put the public option back in, or the Medicare Buy-In, or both. Or single-payer.
Let Lieberman and Ben Nelson and Baucus and the Republicans vote their lack-of-conscience and preclude 60 "ayes." Let them commit political suicide instead of you.

Let Mr. Lieberman kill the bill — then turn to his Republican friends only to find out they hate him more than the Democrats do. Let him stagger off the public stage, to go work for the insurance industry. As if he is not doing that now.

Then, Mr. Reid, take every worthwhile provision of health care reform you legally can, and pass it via reconciliation, when ever and how ever you can — and by the way, a Medicare Buy-In can be legally passed via reconciliation. The Senate bill with the mandate must be defeated, if not in the Senate, then in the House.

Health care reform that benefits the industry at the cost of the people is intolerable and there are no moral constructs in which it can be supported. And if still the bill and this heinous mandate become law there is yet further reaction required. I call on all those whose conscience urges them to fight, to use the only weapon that will be left to us if this bill becomes law. We must not buy federally mandated insurance if this cheesy counterfeit of reform is all we can buy.

No single payer? No sale. No public option? No sale. No Medicare buy-in? No sale. I am one of the self-insured, albeit by choice. And I hereby pledge that I will not buy this perversion of health care reform. Pass this at your peril, Senators, and sign it at yours, Mr. President. I will not buy this insurance. Brand me a lawbreaker if you choose. Fine me if you will. Jail me if you must.

But if the Medicare Buy-In goes, but the Mandate stays, the people who fought so hard and so sincerely to bring sanity to this system must kill this mutated version of their dream, because those elected by us to act for us have forgotten what must be the golden rule of health care reform. It is the same one to which physicians are bound, by oath: First do no harm.

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:34 PM
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1. A powerful commentary - saw once and will watch again - thanks for posting both parts

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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:49 PM
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6. PART 1:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:45 PM
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2. Thanks for your hard work.
K&R
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:54 PM
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3. Betrayal
As Olbermann said tonight (as did Big Ed Schultz earlier), this is a betrayal by Democrats against all who wanted reform. It will mean the loss of independent voters who have long supported the party and who fought so strenuously for the reforms promised in the DNC convention in August 2008.

Things are starting to look real bad for 2010. Give up the Congressional majority and the party will no longer have my vote. Thousands of indy's are saying the same. Don't blame the Pukes for that.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:59 PM
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4. I always love his commentarys, unfortunately I can't remember one time where they were listened to
by the person they were directed at...
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:39 PM
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5. K&R n/t
:-(
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CATagious Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:08 PM
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7. I will NOT buy mandated insurance!
without a strong public option, single payer, or at least medicare buy-in... I will NOT buy! I join Keith in this pledge! I'll go to jail if I must! Who is with us??
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:13 PM
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8. Same here.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 11:51 PM
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9. K&R Me too.
And thanks Hissyspit, for posting the text of this!
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 09:12 AM
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20. Nor will I.
Like Keith said, they can send me to jail if they want. I will not be forced into buying something I don't want. This is one of the rare places where the teabaggers and other wing nuts and I agree.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:13 PM
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27. Not one single person among us should buy thsi crap.
If enough of "US" boycott this bullshit, what will they do? Don't buy it. Refuse to buy it. If they pass this legislation, we should ALL stand against it!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:20 PM
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29. Won't have much choice probably, but present and accounted for.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:22 PM
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34. I never intended to buy it, as from the beginning, I found
it to be abhorrent, and most of all, probably unconstitutional.

Count me in with those who will be turned into criminals if this passes.

I'm so glad he said this. This is how to fight it, refuse to participate.

Obama used to be against mandates and that was one of the few differences between him and Hillary. This was Obama in a debate with Hillary on the issue of mandates. He didn't like the idea of having to 'enforce' such a law. That was then, and he was right. Now, it's a different story.

http://www.barackobamavideos.net/
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:18 AM
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10. K and R.
:kick:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:04 AM
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11. So depressing I've got tears in my eyes. And because Coburn made the clerk read for hrs
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:06 AM
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12. ...the funding bill for our troops got delayed. and will again as repubs play HS games
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:00 AM
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14. In this case...
The reading of the bill, and the opposition to this bill by the Repugs will allow this bill to DIE! They can take all the credit they want for killing it, and next year, a Medicare Part E-Everyone gets introduced and passed and that's the end of it. The PTB don't want that, but it's worth the fight anyway!
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:55 AM
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13. Good on ya, Keith!
I doubt many will follow the lead to refuse to buy insurance if there are mandates with no public option or Medicare buy-in... but I do not doubt that there will be a huge groundswell of anger when people realize how badly we've been had with this monstrosity.
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:23 AM
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15. I think there will be enough that won't/can't.
I wonder what people will think of historic reform when everyone knows someone that's being punished, however the mandate is enforced, for being unable or unwilling to fork over nearly a fifth of their income for insurance that's even worse than what exists today?
Regular people don't really follow politics, but they'll certainly understand that when it happens.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:35 AM
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22. Yes, and what they will understand...
...is that the Democratic party was responsible for this heinous POS bill that punishes the very people who are least able to absorb the cost. And the populist backlash will commence, and the demogoguery on the right will take full advantage. They'll blame "liberals" and "leftists" and we will be more marginalized than ever.

I don't see this ending well, I really don't.
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Sunnyshine Donating Member (698 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:20 AM
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16. No sale.
Standing up with you Keith-O. :applause:
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:44 AM
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17. Obama is a fraud from day one
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:08 AM
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18. Saw this last night. K & R. SPOT ON!! nt
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 09:11 AM
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19. K & R (n/t)
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:30 AM
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21. K & R.
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DrGee5 Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:39 AM
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23. K&R
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:46 AM
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24. K&R "Medical Mobster Protection Money" 4 words that perfectly describe it n/t
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:03 AM
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25. fucking amazing....
Wow. Rec'd, of course.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:47 PM
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26. K&R
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:19 PM
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28. Does anyone know how we can get a website put together?
I'm thinking something along the lines of "Refusethemandate.org"

Everyone in the nation can sign a petition which state that "I will refuse to participate in a government mandated health insurance program unless provided a public option for health care coverage..." or some such.

I can see that millions would sign this petition, agreement, pledge, whatever. It would certainly get the attention of these self-serving assholes in congress.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:20 PM
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33. www.thepetitionsite.com/
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:07 PM
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35. Cool, thanks Frank...
:hi:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:00 PM
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30. wow
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:10 PM
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31. K&R because you provided a transcript. Thanks from us deafies! nt
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 08:11 PM by tblue37
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:12 PM
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32. ARE YOU WATCHING THIS OBAMA? You should be. Your Base is starting to leave you. NT
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