U.S Kill 63 Civilians, 28 Children in Yemen Air Strikes

[arcadian]

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24226.htm

Yemen's Houthi fighters say scores of civilians, including many children, have been killed in US air-raids in the southeast of the war-stricken Arab country.

The Shia fighters on Friday reported the deaths of 63 people, including some 28 children, in the southeastern province of Abyan.

Almost 90 people were also injured in the attacks by US warplanes in the village of Bakazam, they added.

Yemen's southern provinces have recently been the scene of US airstrikes which Washington claims to be aimed at uprooting an al-Qaeda cell operative in the Persian Gulf state.

But the residents of the area dismiss the claims that al-Qaeda members are being targeted in the US attacks, while a Yemeni lawmaker has also called for an investigation into the raids.

The US operation in southern Yemen comes on top of a joint Saudi-Yemeni military campaign in the country's war-weary north where Sana'a and Riyadh forces are engaged in a fierce fighting against the Houthi fighters.

The Houthis, who accuse the Sunni-dominated Sana'a government of discrimination and repression against Yemen's Shia minority, were the target of the army's off and on attacks before the central government launched an all-out fighting against them in early August.

Saudi Arabia joined the operation later following alleged clashes between its border guards and the Houthis, carrying out regular airstrikes and ground incursions against the fighters.

On Friday, the Houthis said over 160 missiles hit regions along the border with the neighboring kingdom, which they accuse of pounding civilians in villages within the Yemeni territory.

The Saudis have conducted more than 70 air raids in less than 24 hours.

[ncteechur]

1. I call bullshit. I would not believe the Yemeni houthi fighters

[Schema Thing]

3. they've NEVER lied to me

that's all I'm saying.

[arcadian]

4. Here are 3000 people who don't see it your way.

And they are actually in Yemen. You aren't.

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091220/FOREIGN/712199838/1002

[Fedja]

43. That disqualifies your opinion more than theirs

To discount any information based on the source without even looking at it is the pinnacle of ignorance.

[bluestateguy]

2. because they say so, huh?

You know Fox News and the Pentagon all lie, but believe it or not the other side has been known to tell a few fibs in war too.

[arcadian]

5. Actually FoxNews doesn't lie.

They just slant the news to the right with selective reporting and editorials. Any News Agency that lied, as you put it, would not be in business very long.

[Mithreal]

9. Yeah like Mark Foley is a Dem and Obama is a racist

Slant, my ass.

[Devil_Fish]

25. sorry to break this to you, but Fox News lies.

The only truth I've ever witnessed was when billO said: "I don't care about the Constitution" ever thing else out of Fox is a lie. they even went to court and the judge said that they could lie if they want. Even Rupert Murdoc lied when he said that fox dosn't compair Obama to Stalin.

[blackbart99]

35. I say bullshit to you arcadian...

I've seen the proof of Fox news lying with my own eyes. Yes they do slant things mostly....but they outright lie every chance they can get. Who's going to call them on it? NO one!

Lets go back to the Repub convention in NYC in 2004. Every news source said there were several hundred thousand people in the street and had photo's to prove it. Faux snooze said there were maybe
50,000 and took pictures from the ground looking up so you could only see fifty people right in front of the camera, which means then they can say whatever they want. They deliberately lied to mislead
their viewers(zombies) and these people suck it down like the elixir of life. Their viewers will never question them on their stories, because they are already brainwashed by the slogan 'The only news
you will ever need'. I know this for a fact because my own parents have been sucked into this and I
I can't get them out. My folks are lost to me...and the truth.

:mad: :puke: :grr: :nuke: FOX NEWS IS EVIL and evil will always lie.

[Renew Deal]

37. Are you kidding?

Fox doesn't lie? :wtf:

[Ticonderoga]

42. And I respectfully,

disagree with you.

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[MadBadger]

8. Oh pipe down racist-baiter.

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[debbierlus]

23. You accuse people of racism while stereotyping the entire country of America

AMERICANS are just so stupid?

You are perpetuating the very hate and narrow-mindedness, in the same breath you decry this individual for doing the same thing!

Look, I know damn well our nation has perpetrated some pretty heinous crimes against humanity and the cowardly air raids that kill innocents are atrocious. I understand your anger.

That doesn't entitle you to perpetuate hate.

[Turborama]

19. Or, maybe some healthy skepticism is needed because it's on Iranian State TV?

They have been trying to get involved.

Yemen, US sign military deal as country fights rebels - Iran 'ready to aid Yemeni security'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4142441


And there have been suggestions that Iran has already been covertly involved in this conflict.

The Saudi-Iran Proxy War in Yemen
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/30/774530/-The-Saudi-Iran-Proxy-War-in-Yemen

BTW it's "you're" not "your" & calling out a DUer as a racist with scant evidence is uncalled for and against the rules. Seems like you're the one with prejudice problems.

[dbmk]

29. Haha. Utter fail.

The other side in that conflict is muslim too, you know.

So if he beleives either side he is racist?

There is plenty of reason and historical precedence to be reluctant to beleive stories like these.

[Hatalles]

7. More video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHyHWXEpFXw&feature=sub

[scarface2004]

10. imagine if it wasn't a 'surgical' strike

might have killed a couple thousand newborns! post birth abortion!

[pundaint]

11. How many sovereign nations can we discharge weapons in before we are ostracized by a concerned world

At some point it is important to recognize that one is acting like an arrogant asshole, that goes for countries too.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. just wanted to point out there was no sovereignty issues

as this was requested by THEIR government.

[rateyes]

13. But, not approved by OUR Congress.

Children.


Dead.



Our bombs.



Paid for by our tax dollars.



Our responsibility.



Yours.




Mine.




WE DID THAT!




To children.





Innocent





children.




God have mercy on our souls.

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. This is a ridiculous argument that I'm sick of seeing on DU

This is no more "my" responsibility - or "your" responsibility - than the man in the moon's. Taxes aren't voluntary, and we aren't consulted as to their application. They are an obligation of every citizen of the republic, but unless you live in a country which has no income tax, then "you" aren't responsible for the fact that "your" taxes are collected and used any more than "you" are responsible if someone you pay for a legitimate service then uses the money you paid him to go commit a crime. It stopped being "your" responsibility the instant the money left your hands.

Your attempts at emotional manipulation aside, your post illustrates one of the most frustrating logical fallacies used by both the right and the left.

[Mithreal]

21. Are you arguing we do not share responsibility for our government's actions?

If so, would you maybe give me a link so I can read more about this idea?

[WildEyedLiberal]

30. Yes and no

Yes, we have control (or at least, the illusion thereof) of electing the people who are in charge of running the government and thus, presumably, spending our tax money.

But it's naive in the extreme to assume that this gives us anything approaching real control over what "the state" decides to do.

Do you really believe that individual citizens are responsible for every single dime spent by the government, every single policy (secret or no) enacted by said government? Were British peasants responsible for colonialism in India?

I suppose if you believe in collective guilt, you'd say yes. I don't.

[Mithreal]

33. Didn't answer my question. We are not British peasants.

Every single dime, no.

If I were to use your approach to the argument, I might say the following. The American people are not responsible for their government except for when it comes time to vote for representatives. You seem to be advocating voluntary impotence and acceptance in exchange for zero responsibility and a guilt free conscience.

This attitude reminds me of people from a book I read recently, They Thought They Were Free. I think Americans have much more control over our government than we exercise and thoughts like the one you promote feel in a way anti-American.

I understand questioning our influence, but if one does not make the effort then what difference is there between the a true lack of influence and not exercising whatever capacity we have. Better to fail then never try.

However, I am not entirely sure I am right, so feel free like I said to direct me to a link or book so I can see your position more clearly.

[WildEyedLiberal]

45. British peasants, American working class - is there an appreciable difference?

Neither has/had any real control over what the powers that be decided to do in the realm of statecraft, though if you want to believe that you personally are responsible for murdering Iraqis/Afghans/Yemeni/Vietnamese/whoever, I won't get in the way of your self-flagellation.

But since you insist on comparing me to a Nazi, you're clearly not interested in honest debate, just like most of the DU garment-renders.

[Mithreal]

47. You misunderstood me. That is a very insightful book on attitudes

and human nature.

I realize you might take it the wrong way but that was not my intention.

I sincerely want to know the basis for your argument and I don't think it can be explained by you in a couple paragraphs or you would already have.

And furthermore, if you read the book, those people were average Germans, not fullblown nazis. I highly recommend it and that is why I went so far as to post an image. I get it though, when my wife picked it up from the library she was a little embarrassed as well by the cover.

Please don't assume I am trying to be insulting.

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[Turborama]

26. If you hate Americans so much

This is the wrong forum for you.

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. I'm a spastic, racist, evil bastard

I have never been graced with such praise from the loony tunes trolls before, I feel honored :rofl:

[Mithreal]

34. Might want to dial back the name calling

It's always odd to me that name calling is more offensive than talking about the negatives of war, but it seems human nature for some.

I am not casting stones. I love America more than the war fans and profiteers do but they run the show. Our empire may be crumbling soon, maybe we will leave to see it.

[rateyes]

32. It's not ridiculous. It's the same argument we have used to JUSTIFY

the killing of innocent children. "The war is just (cough, cough) and legal :puke:, and like it or not there is always 'collateral damage'."

Easy for us to say.

[StarfarerBill]

39. So now we're mercenaries for other governments?

It's bad enough that our military has been the hired muscle for American corporations for 100+ years, but to be the on-call firepower for foreign governments with troublesome populations is beyond even that pale.

Except for UN peacekeeping missions and limited assistance to allies in dire need, the US military should stick to protecting the 50 states, period.

[robo50]

14. So now with Obama we have YET ANOTHER WAR?

I was unaware we had declared war on that nation's children.

Was that something I missed while I was sleeping?

[lib2DaBone]

16. Sadness , despair.. disbelief.. do we need this now.. at this time of year?

How sad to know that our hard-earned tax money is used to kill innocent women and children.. for WHATEVER reason. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cruise-missiles-strike-yemen/story?id=9375236

Does Obama even consider that by bombing these people.. we may be creating MORE terrorism.. a hatred to wards the U.S.?

Our country is SICK... infested with corrupt politicians and corporations.. this can not end well unless we as a people wake up very soon.

[Crowman1979]

17. Al-Qaeda is now a figment of our nation's imagination.

All proped up in order to keep that military-industrial complex in production. Why, after all the phony tapes that were produced after Tora Bora, are we still chasing ghosts?

[soryang]

24. Shia al qaeda?

That's a non sequitor, isn't it?

[hmorehead]

27. Like the Yemeni are using radio controled drones.

It was probably was CIA/Blackwater/USAF. The US would NEVER stand for this if say Mexico put a missile into bunch of gringos going after a cartel guy hiding out in the US, now would it?

[cabluedem]

28. Why not? Saddam was using RC planes that he could bomb us with. nt

[hmorehead]

38. Right. Like that worked. Like he used it in the US. Like he used it anywhere.

[Renew Deal]

36. That's from an Iranian source

And I haven't seen any even remotely mainstream confirmation of this. Not even Al Jazeera. And I'm not saying their credible either, but they're better than Iran Press Tv.

Here's what Al Jazeera says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHyHWXEpFXw

[Turborama]

41. Al Jazeera English are as, if not more, credible...

...than most, if not all, US Main Stream News Media.

[Mithreal]

48. second that

[Ticonderoga]

40. So...let's see,

We effectively exchanged one republican war criminal for a democratic war criminal. What's new in America?

[Ticonderoga]

44. My car gets about

28 lives per gallon, how about yours?

[humbled_opinion]

46. So what exactly was the difference between Bush

and Obama? Oh thats right Obama won the nobel peace prize and still decided to slaughter innocent people.
George W. Bush didn't.

Silly me, I get it now one of them was a very bad man and the other is just plain evil...

you figure out which is which and then let me know