TYT - Cenk Uygur - Healthcare Reform Bill Is Weak - Vote NO

[FormerDittoHead]

Run time: 09:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvSgBTG8S-Q   Posted on YouTube: December 19, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: December 21, 2009 By DU Member: FormerDittoHead Views on DU: 1545

 

[ihavenobias]

1. K & R.

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2. The Republic strategy is clear

A lot of people thought it was pretty stupid of the GOP to stand in way of a very popular bill. And it would have been.

If we would have passed even the Medicare buy-in at age 55, with that option opening during 2010, this would be overwhelmingly popular and the GOP would pay a big price.

It really is staggering just how politically tone-deaf Emmanuel and the other DLCers are on this. They have allowed the GOP and a handful of DINOs to manipulate them into a losing position, and it happened virtually overnight. The GOP pushed them to:

1) pass a mandate without any public option, meaning that we are all forced to buy a product that we hate from corporations we strongly distrust and any price they name. How can that possibly end well? And even if the government subsidizes it at some level, that just means that we taxpayers are sinking another trillion dollars into that cesspool.

2) do all of this with minimal benefits coming in 2010. By delaying the better parts of the bill until 2014, we are playing right into the hands of the teabaggers. You think last August was bad, just wait.

The stupidity of this from a political perspective is really staggering. It really makes one wonder how Obama got from the point of running a brilliant strategic campaign to now committing political (and policy) suicide. It is such a shame because it was so unnecessary. All of us here knew that there would be no Republican support. But Obama honestly believed he could win over some Republicans and he committed to a path that didn't include reconciliation. More importantly, he allowed Baucus and company to structure the bill in such a way that he didn't even have a THREAT of reconciliation.

The big, difficult pieces of this legislation could have passed under reconciliation. Just imagine how differently things would have gone in the last week is Obama had at least reserved the threat of reconciliation. Basically he could have told Lieberman and his pals to back off or else we'd shove something much bigger up their arses.

This is really a train wreck.

Never, ever let a DLCer be in charge of anything. They specialize in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[alllyingwhores]

9. It's not the Republican strategy, it's Corporate America's strategy...

The Obama admin is not that stupid, they know what they're doing...exactly what their corporate masters demand they do.

The DLC's strategy is ,first and foremost, all about triangulation. They campaign as the only alternative to right wing fascist imbeciles. Spewing out feel good BS that makes the majority of the public feel good.

Then, once in office it's business as usual..."F__K YOU VERY MUCH we're in now--and you can either go along with our pretend game of we really, really want to vote the way we promised in the campaign...and the way the majority of the American people and constituents want but we can't because...uhm...oh yeah, WE'RE OWNED."

[WhoIsNumberNone]

3. This sickens me

They're going to pass what is essentially the republican version of the bill. Then when it sucks, the Republicans are going to blame them for it. This is the sort of shit that Nixon specialized in. When they pass this I'm going to make my plans to move to Canada. All hope is lost for this country.

[ihavenobias]

5. Bingo on the enormous political downside.

But uh, Canada is WAY too cold.

;)

[WhoIsNumberNone]

8. Not for much longer...

Remember- global warming isn't real. :sarcasm:

[ProgressOnTheMove]

4. Yes, kill the Senate bill because with no PO no deficit reduction their argument so it must die.

[Tutankhamun]

6. Cenk had me in hysterics with his cheesy "You...the AMERICAN people" line.

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7. K&R

[AtheistCrusader]

10. What happens if you don't pay the fines?

Looking at the house and senate versions of the bill, the IRS will enforce this, meaning they can go right in and take the fines out of your damn bank account. But what happens if you don't have any money there? Is Cenk right, they can't arrest you over it? Not so sure.

Also, had the Titanic rammed the iceberg head on instead of sideswiping it, the ship probably would have remained floating. Just a thought.


I think Cenk is right though, barring some last minute miracle, this bill is beyond the point of no return. It's damaged goods. Do what Dean suggested, kill it, try again.