TYT: Jane Hamsher Hits Rahm Emmanuel Over the Head!

[Junkdrawer]

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[change_notfinetuning]

1. Darn, I was hoping it was literally, but it was only a figurative two-by-four.

It's all good, though, against that slimeball.

[CL455W4R]

68. FUCK RAHM

Fuck Rahm about sums up my feelings. I knew the Obama administration was going to be a corporatist cluster fuck the moment I heard this asshole was involved.

[Krashkopf]

73. + 1

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Good for her.

We need voices from the outside letting them know that we are not happy!!!

[debbierlus]

3. Hats off to Jane...Bravo girl!

[movonne]

4. I have been reading on her web the comment letters and they

were giving her hell....not all..some got it..

[Capt_Nemo]

5. No Cenk, you lost me there. Hell No!!!

Signing up to Grover Norquist's strategy of undermining the
left will not advance progressive causes, it will dammage them.

This particular move is also designed to consolidate the right wing
narrative that the financial colapse was caused by Fanny and Freddy
giving loans to the poor and the minorities.

Why not devote your efforts to set up investigations
of Norquist's involvement in the Abramoff scandal?...
... or setting up investigations of Cheneys's dealings?

this is an absolute failure of judgement on Hamsher, and now Cenk, part.
And it will backfire badly on both of them...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend always results in blowback.

Count me out.

Teaming up with Norquist??? HELL NO!!!

[mzmolly]

6. Bravo!

I completely agree.

[pnwmom]

39. Ms. Blackface has shown her racist tendencies a number of times. n/t

[jgraz]

57. Every time you play the race care, you discredit yourself and this president.

Please stop it, you're embarrassing yourself.

[DWilliamsamh]

65. No race card applies. You are a discredit to liberals everywhere. (n/t)

[TheWraith]

7. Amen. But then, Hamsher loves her Republican talking points.

She was all over the Fox News line on Obama all through 2007 and early 2008, right up to the point of losing a bunch of readers who saw her polemic as racist.

[aquart]

14. Which was convenient for them, no doubt.

As must be convenient for you to slip racism into any criticism of any Obama choice or action.

No matter what Obama does, he is the best we could ever hope for, so we must be content.

[snagglepuss]

26. Well said. Its appalling that the race card is being used. Total loss of

credibility for those who use that to smear Obama's critics. Why in the world wouldn't everyone want Rahm investigated? If he's innocent, an Obama critic is complete toast. If he's guilty, a con man will have been exposed and vast amounts of taxpayer money that's in play will be better protected.

[pnwmom]

40. It's appalling to call Ms. Blackface a racist? I disagree. n/t

[snagglepuss]

51. Spare me that crap. To tar someone a racist you need more than

one ill-advised stunt. :eyes:

[TheWraith]

47. Careful you don't catch hayfever from that strawman!

It would be nice if you could address what I actually said, instead of making shit up. I'm not the one who forced Jane Hamsher to have a long history of borderline racist postings including blackface photos.

[snagglepuss]

52. The witchhunt continues. Cite these borderline racist remarks. nt

[TheWraith]

61. With pleasure.

Hamsher produced and distributed the famous photo of Joe Lieberman in blackface, which she later was forced to apologize for and admit was wrong, albeit in a bullshit "sorry if you were offended" way. Also, FireDogLake had a long history during the Clinton/Obama fight of producing race-baiting content to the point that they got called on it by a number of national bloggers:

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/09/18/bill-clinton-lunches-with-whites-also-firedoglake-sucks

http://www.culturekitchen.com/liza/blog/jane_hamsher_is_an_idiot

Here's the response of one of the FDL bloggers to being criticized by a black woman for their behavior:

"So, Liza, dear, before you go assailing your betters and making Jane stand in for every blond white woman who ever pissed you off, maybe you should head back to eighth grade English and, you know, learn to spell and to write in a linear fashion. Although judging from your other posts that I read, mediocrity may be a chronic condition for you."

Hamsher later directly accused the woman who had complained (Liza Sabatier) of making things up to get attention, and fully supported the "know your place" comment of her subordinate blogger.

And then there's the fact that she's now climbed in bed with Norquist and the teabagger movement and is getting nasty with them under the covers.

[snagglepuss]

62. There's nothing of substance in those two blogs just alot of opinion.

[butterfly77]

55. You sound as though there is ..

no racism there or couldn't be,or if there is we shouldn't talk about it as though many see it and many try to pretend it isn't there when it is.

I have seen many an argument started on DU when something clearly is racist and many on DU try to shut it down as though, if we don't talk about it,it will disappear.

Many who have attacked the President have wanted to for a long time but have waited to the appropriate time and for the appropriate situation on particular issues so that they can attack him without it being called racism but,somehow they always go a little too far and it begins to show and they don't even realize it..

What I really think it is,is a little of the PUMA leftover from the campaign...By the way I have never thought that ANY President is the best we could hope for but,this one is better than most,and he hasn't even got a chance to get started yet.

There is always a plan and his strategy or his hope of doing things has not had enough time to progress yet..

[BlueCaliDem]

8. Bravo! Excellent points for those who still don't get it.. Co-sign here, Capt. eom

[swag]

13. Yep.

[Enthusiast]

32. Zactly.

"This particular move is also designed to consolidate the right wing
narrative that the financial colapse was caused by Fanny and Freddy
giving loans to the poor and the minorities."

[spiritual_gunfighter]

67. I guess you have no problem with this then

By J.W. Elphinstone
Associated Press / December 25, 2009

NEW YORK - The Treasury Department has removed the $400 billion financial cap on how much money it will provide to the beleaguered mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, a step taken to keep the companies from failing.

So far, taxpayers have shelled out $111 billion to the pair.

Yesterday, Treasury officials said the cap would be replaced with a flexible formula. The goal is to ensure the two agencies can stand behind the billions of dollars in mortgage-backed securities they sell to investors.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac provide vital liquidity to the mortgage industry by purchasing home loans from lenders and selling them to investors. Together, they own or guarantee almost 31 million home loans worth about $5.5 trillion, or about half of all mortgages.

Without government aid, the firms would have gone broke, leaving millions of people unable to get a mortgage.

The biggest headwind facing the housing recovery has been the rise in foreclosures amid high unemployment. The Treasury’s latest move could allow Fannie and Freddie to play a bigger role in restructuring mortgages for troubled borrowers.

The news follows the announcement Thursday that Fannie’s and Freddie’s chief executives could be paid as much as $6 million for 2009, despite the companies’ dismal performances this year.

Fannie’s CEO, Michael Williams, and Freddie CEO Charles “Ed’’ Haldeman Jr. each will receive $900,000 in salary, $3.1 million in deferred payments next year, and another $2 million if they meet certain performance goals, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2009/12/25/us_r... /

This was done on Christmas Eve, no less. I am sure Rahm sat in on the meeting.

There are caps in the HCR bill but none when it comes to backdoor bailouts of Freddie and Fannie.

[Enthusiast]

69. Of course

i have a problem with it. But we were not speaking of FM & FM problems created yesterday.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

70. It is relevant

when you have the White House chief of staff with an vested interest in Fannie and Freddie, it wouldnt have surprised me if Rahm sat in on the Christmas eve meeting with Fannie and Freddie and the Treasury. So it is certainly relevant.

[Enthusiast]

71. It is relevant

but it is not what the post I commented on was referring to.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

72. I read what you were referring to

I dont disagree with you, I am sure this is what Norquist is up to. I guess it doesn't change the facts on Rahm Emmanuel and Freddie.

[Jackpine Radical]

34. The enemy of your enemy...

in this case is a despicable, psychopathic, double-dealing scumbag, and no conceivable good will come of associating yourself with him.

We need to kill our own Goddamn snakes, without "help" from the likes of Norquist.

[ljm2002]

49. It makes me uncomfortable too...

...but I do see Cenk's point. Where I disagree with you, though, is your statement that she is "Signing up to Grover Norquist's strategy of undermining the left...".

Rahm Emanuel is not, repeat not, part of "the left". That is precisely why he is such a turd towards the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. And he does deserve to get bashed.

In other political times, this would make me grin from ear to ear.

Right now, though, I do feel it is a dangerous game to ally oneself with the likes of Grover Norquist.

On the other hand, what the hell else is there to do? The Obama administration has made it clear they will make backroom deals and will blow the left off like so much chaff. They not only don't fear us, they don't even like us. They'd like to see us squashed, and they are doing what they can to achieve that end.

So in the end, I cannot fault Jane for what she is doing, even though I cannot embrace it to the extent that Cenk is.

I do believe sometimes you have to play hardball. I only hope it does not end up biting Jane and the rest of us in the ass, hard.

[ProSense]

9. Oh looky,

:rofl:

[MannyGoldstein]

10. Spot on. K&R. nt

[Junkdrawer]

11. Rahm Emanuel: Don’t Worry About the Left

Turn off MSNBC. Tune out Howard Dean and Keith Olbermann. The White House has its liberal wing in hand on health care, says White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

“There are no liberals left to get” in the Senate, Emanuel said in an interview, shrugging off some noise from the likes of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I., Vt.) that a few liberals might bolt over the compromises made with conservative Democrats.

...

The comments may not endear the powerful White House chief of staff to liberal activists, furious that Senate Democratic leaders, at Emanuel’s urging, cut a deal with Sen. Joe Lieberman to drop a federally run insurance policy option, then eliminate a Medicare buy-in proposal.

“I don’t think the White House recognizes how much trouble they’re in,” said one former Democratic official this morning. “I think they’re miscalaculating what’s happening with progressives and the left. They feel like they’re being taken for granted.”

...

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/12/18/rahm-emanuel-dont-worry-about-the-left/

I'm guessing the dozen or so scolding Jane for contacting Norquist are going to be all over Rahm for talking to the WSJ... :sarcasm:

[swag]

12. Groan

Acquired situational narcissism really seems to have taken over at FDL.

Nate Silver, Jed Lewison, and others are really starting to wonder what's going on over there:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/postscript.html

[Hamlette]

25. Wow, thanks for the link to Nate's article. He shows how reconciliation will not work

under present Senate rules and FDL has not shown how it could.

You can't just use reconciliation to anything you want. What you'd get through reconciliation would be a mess (as it has to be revenue neutral.)

I get the feeling we're fighting the primary again.

[ljm2002]

50. "What you'd get through reconciliation would be a mess..."

"...(as it has to be revenue neutral.)"

Wait a minute. Didn't Bush get his massive tax cuts for the rich passed through reconciliation? Are you saying that was somehow purported to be revenue neutral?

[cadmium]

15. Hamssher trots out Emmanuel as enemy number one and naive

media bobble heads fall for it.

[GodDamLiberal]

16. Truth above party

what a novel idea.
Go Jane.

[ChiciB1]

17. There's NO DOUBT Hamsher Rubs Many the Wrong Way... HOWEVER

as a person of the left, RAHM EMANUEL not only rubs ME the WRONG way, I feel HE IS MY ENEMY!

I didn't like him TEN YEARS AGO! He's a weasel, a smug rat's ass who seems to think he's some sort of GRAND POO-BAAAAAA!

One thing you can't take away from HAMSHER is this... she FIGHTS FOR THE PROGRESSIVES, and the LIBERALS! She's doing it OUT IN THE OPEN, as opposed to what seems to be Rahm's modus operendi... BEHIND CLOSED DOORS! I've said it many times before, when Obama picked him as COS, I literally groaned, then I just wanted to :puke: :puke:

Wonder how long it will take some here and many other Democrats to FINALLY realize what a POS Rahm really is? And that Obama lends him his ear says way to much about BOTH OF THEM!

Flame away... I'm just plain FED UP WITH IT ALL!

:grr:

[theFrankFactor]

18. Spot On!

[ProSense]

19. Being fed up doesn't

justify Hamsher's moronic move.

[debbierlus]

24. x 1,000,000,000......

[scentopine]

20. TYT is getting more and more polished, slowly but surely...

and this is good. So is firedoglake. I'm thinking it is better to support a free press than unresponsive democratic establishment.

[MedfordTim]

21. Rahm was Obama's FIRST mistake....

[SergeStorms]

35. What we see as a mistake..........

was seen as a sound and prudent move by Obama. Now, what does that tell us about Obama's actual agenda? :shrug: Doesn't look like "change you can believe in" to me.

[pundaint]

22. It's high time we ceased this artificial division of Democratss for corporations

vs Republicans for corporations. Jane is showing us to build alliances issue by issue to bring the results we need. Yay Jane!

We've got a lot better chance of enlightening tea-baggers and getting them to join us against our oppressors that the average Democratic congressman.

[Rabbit.Storms]

23. Jane

is a trooper

[FrenchieCat]

27. Jane is a friend of my enemy, and there she becomes my enemy.

I'm staying sane!

Fuck Hamster!

Grover Glenn Norquist is president of anti-tax advocacy group Americans for Tax Reform. Norquist is a member of the board of directors of the National Rifle Association and the American Conservative Union.

Norquist is best known as the founder Americans for Tax Reform in 1985, at the request of President Ronald Reagan, and has headed the organization ever since. The primary policy goal of Americans for Tax Reform is to reduce the percentage of the GDP consumed by the government. ATR states that it "opposes all tax increases as a matter of principle." Americans for Tax Reform seeks to curtail government spending by supporting Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) legislation and transparency initiatives, and opposing cap-and-trade legislation and Democratic efforts to overhaul health care.

In 1993, Norquist launched his Wednesday Meetings series at ATR headquarters, initially to help fight President Clinton's healthcare plan and eventually becoming one of the most significant institutions in American conservative political organizing.

Norquist traveled to several warzones across the world to help support anti-Soviet guerrilla armies in the second half of the 1980s. He worked with a support network for Col. Oliver North's efforts with the Nicaraguan contras and other insurgencies, in addition to promoting U.S. support for groups including Mozambique's RENAMO and Jonas Savimbi's UNITA in Angola.

Norquist was instrumental in securing early support for then Texas Governor George W. Bush, continuing a decades-long association with Karl Rove. After Bush's election, Norquist was a key figure involved in crafting Bush's tax cuts. The Wall Street Journal's John Fund dubbed him "the Grand Central Station" of conservatism and told The Nation: "It's not disputable" that Norquist was the key to the Bush campaign's surprising level of support from movement conservatives in 2000.

Working with eventual Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Norquist was one of the co-authors of the 1994 Contract with America, and helped to rally grassroots efforts, which he later chronicled in his bock Rock the House. Norquist also served as a campaign staff member on the 1988, 1992 and 1996 Republican Platform Committees.

Norquist has been noted for his widely quoted quip: "I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub." Norquist favors the elimination of numerous federal organizations including the Internal Revenue Service, the Food and Drug Administration, Education Department and the National Endowment for the Arts.

He has also stated, "Cutting the government in half in one generation is both an ambitious and reasonable goal. If we work hard we will accomplish this and more by 2025. Then the conservative movement can set a new goal. I have a recommendation: To cut government in half again by 2050". The Americans for Tax Reform mission statement is "The government's power to control one's life derives from its power to tax. We believe that power should be minimized."

Norquist is the author of the book Leave Us Alone: Getting the Government's Hands Off Our Money, Our Guns, Our Lives, published on March 11, 2008 by HarperCollins.

Norquist and Americans for Tax Reform were mentioned in Senate testimony relating to the lobbying scandal for which Abramoff pled guilty in 2006. Norquist has denied claims that he did anything wrong. Records released by the Senate Indian Affairs Committee allege that ATR served as a "conduit" for funds that flowed from Abramoff's clients to surreptitiously finance grass-roots lobbying campaigns. A second group Norquist was involved with, the Council of Republicans for Environmental Advocacy, received about $500,000 in Abramoff client funds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Norquist

[girl gone mad]

28. ...

[Puglover]

36. +1000

The tunnel vision is pitiful isn't it?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

66. Thanks for the reminder

It's okay when Obama rubs elbows with this scumbag, and tries to give Judd Gregg a job in his administration.

[Donnachaidh]

33. shallow cheerleader. n/t

[jgraz]

58. "Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, who cares about the working families of America"

-- Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, endorsing Joe Lieberman for Senate.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

29. I'm all for going after them but I think covertly works better than publicly we keep ...

behind the scene the Democrats woking against us we give them hell. Of course this works different for those organziing, but one hand has to be keep the image up and the other has to be keeping the discipline. Certainly progresive radio tells us how it's being done and stuff but once we've got them all in line we promoate all the positives. It's marketting just as Naomi Klein says.

[mcablue]

30. k&r

[Enthusiast]

31. I have a problem with this.

I don't even doubt that Rahm Emmanuel pulled some dirty stuff. And I fully understand where Jane Hamsher is coming from.

My problem with this is Grover Norquist's typical Reich Wing selective administration of justice. Just look at the massive RW corruption that has gone uninvestigated and unprosecuted.

I am a firm believer in equal justice. We simply can't look forward in regard to RW malfeasance yet investigate and prosecute Democratic Administrations. If we are going to have the 'Wild West' let's have it for everyone.

[swag]

37. I emailed an econo-finance journo, who has covered Freddie extensively, about this last night

to see what he thought of the Hamsher/Norquist initiative, vis-a-vis this article:

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/12/odd_couple_of_norquist_hamsher_call_for_investigation_rahms_resignation.php

His reply:

"I think it's a reasonably sensible point about the GSEs, wrapped up in a completely insane conspiracy theory about Rahm."




GSE = Government Sponsored Entity.

[pmorlan1]

38. Bravo Jane and Cenk !

It's pretty obvious this is the right strategy. What a pity so many are still blindly following the absurd Pary line on this. Think people, THINK.

[pnwmom]

41. With Norquist. And that benefits us how? n/t

[live love laugh]

42. Where was Hamscher when Cheneys meetings were held? Why no issue w/him? nt

[orbitalman]

43. WHERE IS THE VIDEO SYNOPSIS...????

Jane never appears in this video, but is only talked about, albeit by the credible TYT.

[icee]

44. Great job Jane and Cenk. You both understand exactly what's

happening. Your detractors would tell Jesus himself he had bad breath or something.

[DeSwiss]

45. K&R

- Change v. To acquire a new set of smarter crooks to replace your old dumb ones.

[burning rain]

46. She could probably step on the runt's head!

.

[WyLoochka]

48. This Norquist-Hamsher alliance

is utterly repulsive. Very bad judgment on Hamsher's part. Poor judgment is not new for her, but this stunt is unforgivable.

What ever happened to Christy Hardin Smith? She was the intelligent, level headed one over there. Since she left, the front page has been worthless. Now it's over the cliff.

Must say, I'm not surprised that know nothing, shallow blow hard Uygur climbed on board this disaster.

[valerief]

53. K&R

:kick:

[baldguy]

54. Obama sez: "Make me change things."

And when people like Hamsher actually stand up to get the rest of us to do that, she's ridiculed, attacked & insulted.

The same people doing this - attacking Hamsher for working with Norquist - are the same ones who are more than happy that Obama & the Dems are caving to the GOP at every level.

[icee]

60. Exactly.

fff

[snagglepuss]

64. BINGO. A brilliant post. Otta be its own thread.

:applause:

[jgraz]

56. This is how you do it.

All the people who are shocked, SHOCKED! by Hamsher's actions here, you need to answer one question: since the White House has made it clear they don't give a fuck about the progressives who elected them, how would YOU make them listen?

[scentopine]

59. To the centrists who applauded Obama's perverse bi-partisanship

and defended it as a masterful chess move as they gutted real reform and consumer protections out of the HCR and Wall Street regulation and reform, fuck you.

We can play the bi-partisan game too.

I'm tired of seeing the shit on Rahm's face from all the republican ass kissing he does.

The right wing centrists are overly represented in our government.

As the centrists would say - its simply supply and demand.

The demand for justice is outpacing the supply.

I just sent FDL a donation and encourage others to do so.

It's money better spent than on the duplicitous democratic party leadership.

[davidwparker]

63. Good for Jane. Rahm needs to be investigated. So does Barney Frank, Chris

Dodd.

[democracy1st]

74. kick