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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:23 PM
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Olbermann SCOTUS SPECIAL COMMENT PT. 1: 'After Today, Who's Going To Stop Them?'
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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 21 January 2009: Keith's Special Comment on the devastating Supreme Court decision today Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, overturning 20 years of restrictions on corporate corruption of election spending.

PART TWO IS HERE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x426053

OLBERMANN: "Finally tonight, as promised, a special comment on the Supreme Court's ruling today in the case: Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

On the cold morning of Friday, March 6, 1857, a very old man, who was born just eight months and thirteen days after the Declaration of Independence was adopted, a man who was married to the sister of the man who wrote the Star-Spangled Banner, a man who was enlightened enough to have freed his own slaves, and given pensions to the ones who had become too old to work, read aloud in a reed-thin voice from a very long hand-written document. In it, he ruled on a legal case involving a slave, brought by his owner to live in a free state, yet to remain a slave. The slave sought his freedom and sued, and looking back over legal precedent, and the Constitution, and the America in which it was created, this judge ruled that no Black man could ever be considered an actual citizen of the United States.

'They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far unfit, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.'

The case was, of course, was Dred Scott. The old man was the fifth chief justice of the United States of America, Roger Brook Taney. The outcome, he believed, would be to remove the burning question of abolition of slavery from the political arena for once and for all. The outcome, in fact, was the Civil War.

No American ever made a single bigger misjudgment. No American ever carried the responsibility for the deaths and suffering of more Americans on his shoulders. No American was ever more quickly vilified. Within four years, Chief Justice Tawny's rulings were being ignored in the South and the North. Within five, President Lincoln, at minimum, contemplated arresting him. Within seven, he died in poverty while still Chief Justice. Within eight, Congress had voted to not place a bust of him alongside those of the other former chief justices.

But good news tonight. Roger B. Taney is off the hook...

Today the Supreme Court of Chief Justice John Roberts in a decision that might actually have more dire implications than Dred Scott v. Sanford, declared that, because of the alchemy of its 19th-century predecessors in deciding that corporations had all the rights of people, any restrictions on how these corporate beings spend their money on political advertising are un-Constitutional.

In short, the First Amendment, free speech for persons, which went into effect in 1791, applies to corporations, which were not recognized as the equivalents of persons until 1886. In short, there are now no checks on the ability of corporations or unions or other giant aggregations of power to decide our elections.

None.

They can spend all the money they want. And if they can spend all the money they want, sooner rather than later, they will implant the legislators of their choice in every office from President to head of the Visiting Nurse Service. And if senators and congressmen and governors and mayors and councilmen and everyone in between are entirely beholden to the corporations for election and re-election to office, soon they will erase whatever checks there might still exist to just slow down the ability of corporations to decide the laws.

It it almost literally true that any political science fiction nightmare that you can now dream up, no matter whether you are conservative or liberal - it is NOW LEGAL. Because the people who can make it legal can now be entirely bought and sold, no actual citizens required in the campaign fundraising process. And the entirely bought and sold politicians can change any laws, and any legal defense you can structure now can be undone by the politicians who will be bought and sold into office this November, or two years from now. And any legal defense which honest politicians can somehow wedge up against them this November, or two years from now, that can be undone by the next even larger set of politicians who will be bought and sold into office in 2014 or 2016 or 2018.

Mentioning Lincoln's supposed ruminations about arresting Roger B. Taney - he didn't say the original of this, but what the hell: Right now you can prostitute all of the politicians some of the time, and you can prostitute some of the politicians all the time, but you cannot prostitute all the politicians all the time. Thanks to Chief Justice John Roberts, this will now change. Unless this near-mortal blow is somehow undone within ten years, every politician in this country will be - a prostitute.

And now, let's contemplate what the perfectly symmetrical money-driven world of that order might look like...

Be prepared first for laws criminalizing or at least neutering unions. In today's court decision, they are the weaker of the non-human sisters unfettered by the court, so as in ancient Rome or in medieval England, they will necessarily be strangled by the stronger sibling, the corporations, so that they pose no threat...

Be prepared then for the reduction of taxes for the wealthy, and for the corporations, and the elimination for the social safety nets for everyone else...

Be prepared then for wars, sold as the new products, which Andy Card once described them as, year after year, as if they were new Fox reality shows, because military-industrial complex corporations are still corporations."

- snip -

Be prepared for personally wealthy men like John Kerry, to become the paupers of the Senate, or the one's like Mike Bloomberg, not even surviving the primary against Halliburton's choice for mayor of New York City.

Be prepared for the end of what you are watching now, and I don't just mean me, or this program, or this network, I mean all the independent news organizations, and the propagandists, like Fox, for that matter, because Fox enflames people against the state, and with today's ruling, the corporations will only need a few more years of enflaming people before the message shifts to 'everything's great...'

- snip -

So with critics silenced and bought off, and even the town assessor who lives next door to you elected to office with campaign funds 99.9% drawn from campaign coffers, what are you going to do about it? The Internet! The Internet. Ask them about the Internet in China. Kiss net neutrality goodbye... And anyway, what are you going to complain about if you don't even know it happened...

- snip -

I would suggest a revolution, but a revolution against the corporations - the corporations who make all the guns and bullets? Maybe it won't be this bad, maybe the corporations, legally defined as human beings, but without the pesky occasional human attributes of conscience and compassion, maybe when handed the only keys to the electoral machine, they will simply not redesign American in their corporate image. But let me leave you with this final question: After today, who's going to stop them?"

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:28 PM
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1. I'm not going to watch this. I'm upset enough as it is.
All we can do now is hope this somehow won't turn out as badly as it seems it will. I mean, I already wrote my Senators, and it's not like people are taking it to the National Mall or anything - so yeah.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:33 PM
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4. It is upsetting.
Keith gave about 20 ways how this SC decision will change this country forever. It will take a few years, but soon, the whole Executive/Legislative branches will be bought and owned by Corporations. They'll, in turn, will promote corporate sponsered Justices to the Supreme Court. The joke is on the people who think Democrats have destroyed this country...they haven't seen anything yet.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:55 PM
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7. It will only take four years
The corps will buy every candidate in 2010 and 2012.

Oops, maybe up to six years, for the most recently elected Senators to run out their six year terms.

So the longest it will take is six years, maximum.

-90% Jimmy
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:31 PM
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9. FULL TRANSCRIPT:
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 10:43 PM by Hissyspit
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34981476/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/#storyContinued

Olbermann: U.S. government for sale

With no limits on campaign financing, corporations will take over the government


Olbermann: Freedom of speech has been destroyed

Jan. 21: In a Special Comment, Countdown’s Keith Olbermann reprimands those involved in the Supreme Court’s ruling to end limitations on campaign financing, which will result in the purchasing of government officials by major corporations.


SPECIAL COMMENT
By Keith Olbermann
Anchor, 'Countdown'
msnbc.com
updated 1 hour, 12 minutes ago

Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the Supreme Court's ruling today in the case titled "Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission."

On the cold morning of Friday, March 6th, 1857, a very old man who was born just eight months and thirteen days after the Declaration of Independence was adopted; a man who was married to the sister of the man who wrote "The Star Spangled Banner;" a man who was enlightened enough to have freed his own slaves and given pensions to the ones who had become too old to work read aloud, in a reed-thin voice, a very long document.

In it, he ruled on a legal case involving a slave, brought by his owner to live in a free state; yet to remain a slave.

The slave sought his freedom, and sued. And looking back over legal precedent, and the Constitution, and the America in which it was created, this judge ruled that no black man could ever be considered an actual citizen of the United States.

"They had for more than a century before been, regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far unfit, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect."

The case, of course, was Dred Scott. The old man was the fifth Chief Justice of the United States of America, Roger Brooke Tawney. And the outcome, he believed, would be to remove the burning question of the abolition of slavery from the political arena for once and for all.

The outcome, in fact, was the Civil War. No American ever made a single bigger misjudgment. No American ever carried the responsibility for the deaths and suffering of more Americans. No American ever was more quickly vilified. Within four years Chief Justice Tawney's rulings were being ignored in the South and the North.

Within five, President Lincoln at minimum contemplated arresting him. Within seven, he died, in poverty, while still Chief Justice. Within eight, Congress had voted to not place a bust of him alongside those of the other former Chief Justices.

But good news tonight, Roger B. Tawney is off the hook.

Today, the Supreme Court, of Chief Justice John Roberts, in a decision that might actually have more dire implications than "Dred Scott v Sandford," declared that because of the alchemy of its 19th Century predecessors in deciding that corporations had all the rights of people, any restrictions on how these corporate-beings spend their money on political advertising, are unconstitutional.

In short, the first amendment — free speech for persons — which went into affect in 1791, applies to corporations, which were not recognized as the equivalents of persons until 1886. In short, there are now no checks on the ability of corporations or unions or other giant aggregations of power to decide our elections.

None. They can spend all the money they want. And if they can spend all the money they want — sooner, rather than later — they will implant the legislators of their choice in every office from President to head of the Visiting Nurse Service.

And if senators and congressmen and governors and mayors and councilmen and everyone in between are entirely beholden to the corporations for election and re-election to office soon they will erase whatever checks there might still exist to just slow down the ability of corporations to decide the laws.

It is almost literally true that any political science fiction nightmare you can now dream up, no matter whether you are conservative or liberal, it is now legal. Because the people who can make it legal, can now be entirely bought and sold, no actual citizens required in the campaign-fund-raising process.

And the entirely bought and sold politicians, can change any laws. And any legal defense you can structure now, can be undone by the politicians who will be bought and sold into office this November, or two years from now.

And any legal defense which honest politicians can somehow wedge up against them this November, or two years from now, can be undone by the next even larger set of politicians who will be bought and sold into office in 2014, or 2016, or 2018.

Mentioning Lincoln's supposed ruminations about arresting Roger B. Tawney, he didn't say the original of this, but what the hell:

Right now, you can prostitute all of the politicians some of the time, and prostitute some of the politicians all the time, but you cannot prostitute all the politicians all the time. Thanks to Chief Justice Roberts this will change. Unless this mortal blow is somehow undone, within ten years, every politician in this country will be a prostitute.

And now let's contemplate what that perfectly symmetrical, money-driven world might look like. Be prepared, first, for laws criminalizing or at least neutering unions. In today's Court Decision, they are the weaker of the non-human sisters unfettered by the Court. So, like in ancient Rome or medieval England, they will necessarily be strangled by the stronger sibling, the corporations, so they pose no further threat to the Corporations' total control of our political system.

Be prepared, then, for the reduction of taxes for the wealth, and for the corporations, and the elimination of the social safety nets for everybody else, because money spent on the poor means less money left for the corporations.

Be prepared, then, for wars sold as the "new products" which Andy Card once described them as, year-after-year, as if they were new Fox Reality Shows, because Military Industrial Complex Corporations are still corporations. Be prepared, then, for the ban on same-sex marriage, on abortion, on evolution, on separation of church and state. The most politically agitated group of citizens left are the evangelicals, throw them some red meat to feed their holier-than-thou rationalizations, and they won't care what else you do to this corporate nation.

Be prepared, then, for racial and religious profiling, because you've got to blame somebody for all the reductions in domestic spending and civil liberties, just to make sure the agitators against the United Corporate States of America are kept unheard.

Be prepared for those poor dumb manipulated bastards, the Tea Partiers, to have a glorious few years as the front men as the corporations that bankroll them slowly unroll their total control of our political system. And then be prepared to watch them be banished, maybe outlawed, when a few of the brighter ones suddenly realize that the corporations have made them the Judas Goats of American Freedom.

And be prepared, then, for the bank reforms that President Obama has just this day vowed to enable, to be rolled back by his successor purchased by the banks, with the money President Bush gave them his successor, presumably President Palin, because if you need a friendly face of fascism, you might as well get one that can wink, and if you need a tool of whichever large industries buy her first, you might as well get somebody who lives up to that word "tool."

Be prepared for the little changes, too. If there are any small towns left to take-over, Wal-Mart can now soften them up with carpet advertising for their Wal-Mart town council candidates, brought to you by Wal-Mart.

Be prepared for the Richard Mellon Scaifes to drop such inefficiencies as vanity newspapers and simply buy and install their own city governments in the Pittsburghs. Be prepared for the personally wealthy men like John Kerry to become the paupers of the Senate, or the ones like Mike Bloomberg not even surviving the primary against Halliburton's choice for Mayor of New York City.

Be prepared for the end of what you're watching now. I don't just mean me, or this program, or this network. I mean all the independent news organizations, and the propagandists like Fox for that matter, because Fox inflames people against the state, and after today's ruling, the corporations will only need a few more years of inflaming people, before the message suddenly shifts to "everything's great."

Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh don't even realize it: today, John Roberts just cut their throats too. So, with critics silenced or bought off, and even the town assessor who lives next door to you elected to office with campaign funds 99.9 percent drawn from corporate coffers — what are you going to do about it? The Internet!

The Internet? Ask them about the Internet in China. Kiss net neutrality goodbye. Kiss whatever right to privacy you think you currently have, goodbye. And anyway, what are you going to complain about, if you don't even know it happened? In the new world unveiled this morning by John Roberts, who stops Rupert Murdoch from buying the Associated Press?

This decision, which in mythology would rank somewhere between "The Bottomless Pit" and "The Opening Of Pandora's Box," got next to no coverage in the right-wing media today, almost nothing in the middle, and a lot less than necessary on the left.

The right wing won't even tell their constituents that they are being sold into bondage alongside the rest of us. And why should they? For them, the start of this will be wonderful.

The Republicans, Conservatives, Joe Liebermans, and Tea Partiers are in the front aisle at the political prostitution store. They are specially discounted old favorites for their Corporate Masters. Like the first years of irreversible climate change, for the conservatives the previously cold winter will grow delightfully warm. Only later will it be hot. Then unbearable. Then flames.

And the conservatives will burn with the rest of us. And they'll never know it happened. So, what are you going to do about it? Turn to free speech advocates? These were the free speech advocates! The lawyer for that Humunculous who filed this suit, Dave Bossie, is Floyd Abrams.

Floyd Abrams, who has spent his life defending American freedoms, especially freedom of speech. Apparently this life was spent this way in order to guarantee that when it really counted, he could help the corporations destroy free speech.

His argument, translated from self-satisfied legal jargon, is that as a function of the First Amendment, you must allow for the raping and pillaging of the First Amendment, by people who can buy the First Amendment.

He will go down in the history books as the Quisling of freedom of speech in this country. That is if the corporations who now buy the school boards which decide which history books get printed, approve. If there are still history books. So, what are you going to do about it?

Russ Feingold told me today there might yet be ways to work around this, to restrict corporate governance, and how corporations make and spend their money. I pointed out that any such legislation, even if it somehow sneaked past the last U.S. Senate not funded by a generous gift from the Chubb Group would eventually wind up in front of a Supreme Court, and whether or not John Roberts is still at its head would be irrelevant.

The next nine men and women on the Supreme Court will get there not because of their judgement nor even their politics. They will get there because they were appointed by purchased presidents and confirmed by purchased Senators.

This is what John Roberts did today. This is a Supreme Court-sanctioned murder of what little actual Democracy is left in this Democracy. It is government of the people by the corporations for the corporations. It is the Dark Ages. It is our Dred Scott. I would suggest a revolution but a revolution against the corporations? The corporations that make all the guns and the bullets?

Maybe it won't be this bad. Maybe the corporations legally defined as human beings, but without the pesky occasional human attributes of conscience and compassion maybe when handed the only keys to the electoral machine, they will simply not re-design America in their own corporate image.

But let me leave you with this final question: After today who's going to stop them?

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:05 AM
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16. I can't even remember what we were arguing about here yesterday
I'm completely gobsmacked. Our country was destroyed by the Supreme Court on Jan 21, 2010. I've never been one to point to one specific moment in time as the pivotal moment where our country was destroyed but I've changed my mind.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:29 PM
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2. Best comment ever.
Sadly, the ones that need to hear it are the ones who'll never tune in to realize how their Republican Supreme Court majority just sold this country down the drain.
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tsstranger Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:05 PM
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31. Right.
KO is right on the money, as usual. Unfortunatly, the FAUX Newsless sheep won't see it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:30 PM
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3. I swear it felt like Howard Beale, except real. Surreal.
It was too real. Like waking from a nightmare to find out it's real.

But then Barney Frank sort came to the rescue.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:38 PM
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5. Here's the link to Part TWO
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 09:46 PM
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6. Hey , Hissy.....many many thanks for putting this up.
:hug:

K&R
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:20 PM
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8. Where for a full transcript for those of us with slow connections? nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:37 PM
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10. Here:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 10:47 PM
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11. K&R. //nt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:50 PM
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12. Like a death. n/t
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:11 AM
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13. Corporate Fascism
Within a few years the Corporations will own and run everything. There may no longer be a President of the United States, or if there is, he or she will be a sock puppet. Think of every science fiction story you know where the Corporations run everying...

I suppose JUDGE DREDD will be next...



"I AM THE LAW!"
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:22 AM
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18. No, "Rollerball."
That seemed like an innocent enough dystopian fantasy when it came out, but it has turned out to be prophetic.

Jonathan! Jonathan!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:36 PM
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33. Soylent Green came to my mind yesterday
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:25 AM
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14. K&R! Thanks for posting! I'm getting the same Twilight Zone feeling I had when
McCain announced Palin as his running mate. The same sort of "up is down" stomach churning that was felt then and whenever I see the brainwashed Teabaggers acting up, but worse.
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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 12:29 AM
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15. Lobbyists Get Potent Weapon in Campaign Finance Ruling
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 06:32 AM
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17. Are we fascist yet?
This SCOTUS ruling is another reminder of why you go to the polls. Policies of candidates from their respective parties extend beyond the bills passed and signed by the Executive and Legislative branches of government. SCOTUS appointees can serve years beyond the people who appointed them and their rulings can impact this country for decades, if not forever.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:23 AM
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19. Close. Very close.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:01 PM
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20. GREAT stuff from Keith - if there was ever a time for people to wake up and get pissed - this is it
i mean, it should have happened when they DECIDED that Bush would be our president ILLEGALLY back in 2000. this "supreme court" is more like a supreme fuck up and supreme bullshit! Keith was right on when he said something to the tune of people should be rallying in the streets. :mad:
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bikesein Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 02:03 PM
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21. Maybe
We can hold out hope that voters will stop them?
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:44 PM
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28. How can voters stop anything?
You get to cast an electronic ballot for the one or two shills who are offered by the corporate persons.

The only way to stop them is through organizing against the corporations through politicizing the workers who allow those corporations to exist. Many of these workers are overseas. Luckily, those workers are usually more radical than our working class. This will not be stopped by voters.
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winyanstaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:02 PM
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22. once again Keith nails it....
Fascism is now officially alive and well in America today.
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MoonlitwingsX Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:09 PM
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23. I am truly frightened..
Not since the McCain/Palin rallies have I felt this. Where I can't help but stand, and stare, stupefied at what unfolds before me, live and in person.

I felt it again once this news was announced. It doesn't take any pundit or political commentator to make me think and realize that this is dreadful news for this country. Corporate purchasing of our representatives are now unchecked. A majority who's still far too ignorant, or unwilling to accept what has just occurred on the 21st of January. "Oh, take off your fucking tinfoil hat," "Stop being such a conspiracy theorist," they'll say to the minority, screaming and pointing out the writing on the wall!

Keith is absolutely right, "After today, who's going to stop them?"
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NoFace Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:39 PM
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26. The sad part is that in ten months people won't even remember this sh*t....
...it'll just be the status quo.
"Everything's great!" as Olbermann says.

love yer avatar btw.
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:27 PM
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24. Why there aren't thousands and thousands of people marching
on Washington DC right now is what scares the living hell out of me. Are we all just so God-dammed stunned that we are literally paralyzed? What the hell is going on here? Oh, I forgot. We all have a mortgage, or loans, and some menial existence of a job which helps us survive for another month so we can pay off the creditors.

game over, we lost.
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NoFace Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:44 PM
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27. There were people marching in the streets to protest this but...
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:46 PM
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29. Thanks! How often are protestors villified and marginalized, anyway?
I think recognizing the efforts and joining the already existent rallies is critical.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:39 PM
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25. Corporations don't make ammunition. The people who work at corporations make ammunition.
That's the one (ONE!) place he got it wrong in this very appropriate speech. Corporations have one very, very structurally exploitable weakness: they are "people" who don't do anything. They have to rely on their workers to be arms/hands, but those "instruments" have souls and consciousness--in fact workers ARE people!

Sure, if Americans who manufacture arms strike en masse, they will just move the industry to China or Indonesia. But here's the kicker: ammunitions are made by workers over there too. This is why more than ever we need to work towards international solidarity. The first step in doing that is combating our own nationalism.

Don't give up hope. The only people who can stop this ideological machine of newly recognized "full persons" is real persons in the form of workers: who are the arms, the legs, the heart, and half the brain of this "fake person."

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:50 PM
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36. Who ever strikes had better be prepared to starve, or watch their family starve, or...
end up locked away for a long time.

At the least you'd be fired for striking, and probably blacklisted from ever working anywhere again.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 03:51 PM
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30. K&R
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:21 PM
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32. does anyone comment on things posted here on youtube
we see it, we comment here on it, but did you read the drivvle on youtube?

Here is a sample:

@therealtroubleman Just like when the LIB Supreme court in one stroke signed a death sentence on millions of children in passing Roe V. Wade. Hey, but who cares because now "IT'S LEGAL" Since "it's Legal" what's the beef? I'd say by passing that, the "flood gates" were opened wide to the massive destruction of human life for over 30 years. So if Congress is now a whore and "for sale" don't worry, congress can always get an 'abortion' cause you see IT'S LEGAL.

How about making some comments on youtube?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:39 PM
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34. Chilling
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 04:44 PM by MilesColtrane
I want to, lord I want to, but I can't find a damn thing wrong with his extrapolation of events after this decision.

Fuck. I would never have thought that we'd look back on the past year as the "good old days".

May every person who voted for George Bush burn in hell.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 04:48 PM
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35. kick and recommend
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 05:39 PM
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37. Since Corporations are now people
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 05:44 PM by sulphurdunn
they can pay out at the top 39.8% income tax level. Actually congress could take 99% of corporate income as taxes and allow no deduction. Congress can mandate public financing of campaigns, or restrict contributions by individuals to $10 (corporations), or tax the piss out of advocacy adds, or start holding corporate malefactors in contempt of Congress, or forbid out of district or state contributions to legislative and judicial campaigns. Both the Democratic Congress and the President can defy the Court anytime they wish with signing statement, new legislation to counter Court decisions as fast as they are rendered, or by impeachments (start with Roberts) any charge will do. The House can reduce the salaries of SCOTUS justices to $1.00 annually, renovate the court house and move their deliberative asses into public restrooms indefinitely. The real power is in the House. It controls the nations money, not the Fed, not Goldman Sacs, not the Pentagon, not the Senate (which the house could make shove its filibuster rule up its ass) and definitely not the Court. Since the Democrats are unwilling to restore the balance of power usurped by Bush, or the nation to any semblance of representative government, the least they can do is use the goddamn power to fuck the Republicans.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:34 PM
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42. But once all the legislators are corporate tools, paid for by corporate campaign money, they
Edited on Fri Jan-22-10 08:35 PM by tblue37
are NOT going to bite the hand that feeds them.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 09:28 PM
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43. That's for sure. Hell, they won't do it now.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 10:02 PM
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44. Outstanding post! Welcome to DU!
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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 06:14 PM
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38. I'm confused...
How was the ruling different than what was already?

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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 06:54 PM
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39. Error: You've already recommended that thread
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-22-10 08:08 PM
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40. K&R
Recommended and :kick:ed.
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