Obama Repremands GOP To Their Faces: 'You'd Think This Thing Was Some Bolshevik Plot'

[Hissyspit]

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CNN - 29 January 2010: Obama takes questions at the House Republican retreat.

OBAMA: 'But if you were to listen to the debate, and frankly how some of you went after this bill, you'd think that this thing was some Bolshevik plot. No, I mean, that's how you guys presented it. And, so I'm thinking to myself, how is it that a plan that is pretty centrist, no, look... I know you guys disagree, but if you look at the facts of this bill, most independent observers, this is actually similar to what many Republicans proposed to Bill Clinton when he was doing his debate on health care."

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[cliffordu]

1. I like him more every day.

He is the most fearless President I've ever seen.

[Hissyspit]

40. Oops. "Reprimand"

I know how it spell. Just a typo.

[Hissyspit]

48. "I know how it's spelled"

:eyes: I think I need a nap.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

86. They need to be taught that they are the MINORITY and that they had their way for the last decade .

[wordpix]

91. was lieberman there? just wondering

[olegramps]

94. What I saw was the determination of the Republicans to destroy Obama.

They are so damn hateful that they are willing to allow the nation to go down the drain rather than cooperate to improve the plight of citizens. Today's Republican politicans are the scum of the earth. The Rovian neo-cons are a cancer that has hijacked the Republican party and has transformed it into a mindless cult dominated by racists, corporate bootlickers and End Time evangelical fundamentalist nitwits.

[maxsolomon]

106. as my political awareness began with nixon's resignation

your description is how i've always thought of them - when were they different?

i was born in 1963 - didn't get to vote against reagan till 1984.

[bulloney]

107. They're just following orders from their leader, Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think most Repubs would know to take a crap without Limbaugh telling them.

[potone]

108. Absolutely!

That is the best and most succinct description of the Republicans and their agenda that I have ever read. I salute you, sir!:yourock:

[invisible]

112. That is a spot-on description of the Republican party!

“They are so damn hateful that they are willing to allow the nation to go down the drain rather than cooperate to improve the plight of citizens. Today's Republican politicans are the scum of the earth. The Rovian neo-cons are a cancer that has hijacked the Republican party and has transformed it into a mindless cult dominated by racists, corporate bootlickers and End Time evangelical fundamentalist nitwits.” Olegramps.

I would like to use that quote elsewhere in the future; it is a spot-on description of the Republican party and their followers’ mentality. Their every waking moment is filled with irrational and obsessive hatred.

[mopinko]

2. facts?

how dare he bring up facts? who does he think he is? potus or sumthin'

[fl_dem]

30. and we all know rethugs have a great disdain

for those little bothersome things called FACTS!

[NYC_SKP]

3. K & R nt

[AlinPA]

4. That was the most head-on statement that I have ever heard a politician make.

Tough.

[Brother Buzz]

13. Adlai Stevenson fired off a nugget that Barack could use today

"I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends... that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." — Adlai Stevenson

[AlinPA]

21. I always liked that one. That may be better.

[Enthusiast]

81. Now that is a good quote!

And perfectly applicable to today's GOP.

[jkshaw]

5. Excellent!

[asjr]

6. The only president who comes even

close to Obama in "telling it like it is" would be Harry Truman. Truman was a no nonsense president and we definitely have one now. That is what makes him different.

[liberalmuse]

7. I loved when he said, 'Bolshevik Plot'...

and didn't even mention, 'Socialism'. He took their stupid assertations about his trying to implement a 'Socialist Agenda', reframed it with a better and even scarier sounding assertation ('Bolshevik Plot'!) and threw it back in their faces. He totally owned those bitches.

[butterfly77]

33. Yes, I loved it..

He kicked :kick: :kick: :kick:

[CoffeeCat]

50. and I so love it when..

...we own us some Republican bitches!!

It's been soooo long. So long.

[SemperEadem]

96. he basically told them at the SOTU speech

"you ain't shit" and he told them again today "yeah, I said it...."

twice he's gotten up and bitch slapped them in public--now, if he would just go do this with the yellow-dog dems, we'd be getting somewhere.

[amyrose2712]

114. I wonder how many people even knew what he was talking about. nt

[OHdem10]

8. Obama inspired confidence in his ability to deal with the weighty

problems he faces.

In a civil but firm tone when necessary, he stood his ground.
The Republicans also spoke in civil manner as some of them
presented the less than truthful talking points. Obama
very skillfully pushed back remaining Presidential but not
taking any stuff from the GOP. No hesitancy in pointing
out the untruths and setting the stories straight.

Most anyone watching had to be impressed to see this side
of Obama. It took guts to open up the discussion to questions
and answers under TV Lights.

[MarinCoUSA]

15. Agreed. OB was fucking BRILLIANT. Repukes got sooooo served.

n/t

[MarinCoUSA]

16. And d/t forget OB: "That's not how democracy works"

OB called em out for proposing stuff (mostly about HCR) and then not getting one vote from Repukes.

This event was better than anything during the campaign.

[JoeyT]

69. I dunno.

During the campaign the "It's like they take pride in being ignorant." line was made of rock solid awesome.

[JDPriestly]

79. Is the entire meeting available somewhere?

[SemperEadem]

97. yeah, let's see their side do this

the best they've got are two low-rent cretins--Brown and mooselini and she doesn't have a thought longer than 140 characters.

If they didn't have talking points put on mp3's and downloaded onto their blackberry's, they wouldn't have a damb thing to say.

[Gregorian]

9. Well that's telling it like it is. Something you don't see in DC every day.

The GOP just haven't had to face reality until this moment. No one has challenged them on their lies and childish behavior.

I will gladly change my opinion of Obama. I said he lacked fire. Now I'm beginning to think he was suppressing his strength until he had enough evidence with which to formulate his stronger actions.

And I think I got my "stop singing and start swinging" Obama after all.

[bfealk]

22. Is the full Stream up somewhere?

This was great. I thought the President pushed back very effectively. I wish he'd do more of that and that the networks would televise it so the American public can see what liars the Republicans are.

[Gregorian]

34. It'll be here, no doubt. But it could also be on Cspan archives. Or search youtube.

He's finally given them enough time. Now he's taking the gloves off. I had a feeling he was up to something. I had doubts, and still do. But the way he talks gives very little doubt as to his veracity. Veracity? Something like that.

[howard112211]

10. Still pretty tame. Our side did not do much "unfair demonizing" as far as I can tell...

[RollWithIt]

68. imo, this is like talking to someone in a psychosis....

Slowly working them out of it. Weird days.

[Triana]

11. Too bad he had to talk to a room full of adults like a parent has to talk to a

teenager with an attitude problem - but it needed to be done. That's what they were acting like - (as per usual) - hissy little spoilt brats. He called 'em on it and rightfully so.

[Think82]

12. Luke Russert Just Said A Repub Told Him They Shouldn't Have Let Cameras In. SCORE

Dance Like A Butterfly, Sting Like A Bee.

[MarinCoUSA]

17. Bam! Bam! Bam! Bam!... repukes got soooo served!

[MarinCoUSA]

19. YOU WANT TRANSPARENCY? YOU CAN'T HANDLE TRANSPARENCY!

n/t

[jsgindc]

23. Good Statement Luke Russert:

That the GOP should of not have had the cameras...

( No wonder FOX cut away before the end )

It was looking bad....real bad.

[mzmolly]

57. Ha!

:D

[Scurrilous]

14. K & R

:thumbsup:

[WileEcoyote]

18. One thing I disagree with him on:

it is perfectly OK to demonize Republican leaders.

[lib_wit_it]

63. I know. And If he doesn't intend to demonize them, he could just be quiet about it! It sure ain't

like they don't deserve it!

[JDPriestly]

78. And international crimes by Republicans or Democrats should not

be covered up or swept under the rug. That's taking bipartisanship much too far.

[ProfessorPlum]

20. Is our President learning?

Do you get it Obama? They are NEVER going to work with you!! EVER! They've boxed themselves in rhetorically to where they CAN'T work with you. You just explained that to them. Do YOU understand it?

[StarryNite]

36. Exactly!

Because if they were to work with him, good things would get done during his administration and that's just what they don't want! If he does bad, they have a better chance of being elected.

[doc03]

24. It's great but you will not see any of it on the MSM, no fact

checking no nothing except some 5 second sound bite taken out of context to embarase the President or Democrats.

[Turborama]

49. CNN just had some of it on the Situation Room & they're replaying the whole thing tomorrow night. nt

[wordpix]

90. MSNBC played it for 2 hr. with commentary by KO, Rachel and Tweety

[IndependentDem]

25. I hope he keeps this shit up. nt

[DrZeeLit]

26. This was so courageous!

In my lifetime I have NEVER seen anything so amazing and courageous as this President walking into the lion's den.. Wow!

I say "courageous" because we all know that NO Republicans play to anything but a packed house. Case in point the so-called "rebuttal" to the SOTUS on Tuesday.

Think of the Bush years with all those "rallies" and faux town hall meetings, closed to anyone who even wore a t-shirt that seemed remotely against what those clowns were hawking. We all know people who actually got arrested for exercising their right of free speech.

We need soooo much more of this President Obama!

Bravo, Mr. President. Well done, sir. Oh, and THANK YOU!”

[sabrina 1]

27. He's right that the bill was far more apppealing to Republicans

and still is, than to Democrats. It's Romneycare after all. The only reason they opposed it publicly was because he has a 'D' after his name.

Does he get it yet? That no matter how much he tries to please them, unless he switches to an 'R', he cannot as they are a cult.

Which is why most of his base could not understand why he ignored them. Republicans will never support him.

What I hear him saying is 'I tried to please you, I ignored the people who voted for me to do so, and you still weren't happy. Why?'

Now, he should do what they really oppose, fight for a Public Option and fight for the people who elected him.

He's smart so I don't understand why he catered to them all along. He sounds sad to me, that after all he did for them, they still don't like him.

[Turborama]

74. "they are a cult"

You got that right! And their brainwashed followers need deprogramming, or just left to rot in their own hate filled bile.

:hi:

[sallyseven]

89. they rushed down to the

stage when he finished didn't they. I think that some of those people like him but are afraid. The tea baggers are out there

[fjc]

28. He seems to still be under the gross misimpression

that the Republicans can be persuaded to cooperate on anything. They've been tea partied, as he clearly said, and have nowhere to go but NO.

[SlingBlade]

29. I Like him too. Unfortunately the Nation doesn't need

an Obama now in the face of "Your Lying", and this Fascist Bagger movement that the Re-Pukes
are hiding behind.

We need an FDR , A Lyndon Johnson, A Democrat whose not afraid to get
down in the gutter and fight these bastards fire with fire, Blow for blow
and with the TRUTH !

Name me one time in history where appeasement overcame anything ?

Just Once ?

[DrZeeLit]

31. Welllll..... on a grand scale Ghandi in India and MLK here.... but

I'm not sure that's what you were thinking as appeasement.

I see where President Obama is attempting to go: the high ground.
Maybe it will just show everyone how absolutely rotten the Republicans are? Don't know.

I understand what you mean however, but these are different days than FDR and LBJ. We've got 24/7 news and sound bites. But also...The times were far from enlightened. FDR does not get elected then if there's t.v. (who'd vote for a guy in a wheelchair?) and boy howdy, LBJ would have been impeached today for all that backroom dirt and money flung far and wide. Do we really want to go back to that world?

I'm just sayin'
oh, and thinking aloud.

[SlingBlade]

32. Ghandi and MLK , Appeaser's ?

Now that's a stretch that even a hard core Corporate Clintonite wouldn't even make

But I get your point.

Always better to take the high road and let the fuckers do as they please
rather than kicking them in the Nad's while reminding them that their Mommas
were a bunch of cheap whores who raised a bunch of slack jawed bed wetting narcissistic Assholes.

But then, That's just me :crazy:

[DrZeeLit]

43. "now there's an intelligent response"

name calling... always a classy touch

[SlingBlade]

100. Yea, Sorry, Looks like I took "The Low Road" Here, Huh.

I KNOW, I know, I'm a baaaad baaaad Democrat.

"What's This ?, Oh probably just more of his nonsensical babbling, As Usual"
Mr. Krabbs ( Owner and Proprietor of the Krusty Krab )

[butterfly77]

39. I know what you mean ..

about the down in the gutter but,can't he be who he is. Every President does things in their own way.

[Lorien]

71. Indeed. He basically admits that HCR is a republican bill, which actually

only makes the repugs believe that they can push anything ELSE even further to the Right. I'd respect Obama far more if he presented us with the kind of bill and acts that we voted him into office for. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever learn the lesson; writing GOP legislation won't guarantee any GOP votes. They hate him because he's a Dem and because his skin is dark. Nothing will ever change that, so he may as well force them to filibuster legislation that the voters asked for.

[salib]

35. Wow, did you see the tone of the responses on YouTube?

I do not know what they think "Socialist" means, but it sure has them incensed.

I must say, if that at all reflects what they Republican congress members have to sell to, then our President is definitely barking up the wrong tree with this meeting.

[hisownpetard]

37. Brilliant! Keep those cameras rolling and show the Rethugs for who and what they are.

[Hissyspit]

38. .

[Bleacher Creature]

41. For a second, I thought he was about to say "bullshit plot". NT

[EFerrari]

55. Yes, you could see the filters working and that was probably on purpose.

Chris Matthews should watch this, over and over. lol

[big lu]

42. K&R

[condoleeza]

44. We finally have a President who cares and isn't just running for re-election

He is clearly pissed and apparently feels that speaking the truth means something - imagine that?

I was none too happy for the first half hour of the SOTU, but now I think I'll take my perfect credit to my credit union and refinance the mortgages on both my properties. I don't care if it costs me $ to do so. Both my mortgages were sold to Citibank last year and I want NOTHING to do with them. I'll happily pay my monthly interest to a local CU.

[billymayshere]

45. I'm still pissed at you Barry

Awesome smackdown though! I've never seen a politician confront these punks like this. I was very encouraged about our president today. I am still pissed he chose the 3rd way to resolve the health care debate. He had a mandate and refused to use it. I guess there is still some time for change.

[Amonester]

64. Yes, There is still some time for change.

Nine months.

(MAXIMUM)

[Beartracks]

46. "But, Mr. Prez, we can't have YOU succeed with this bill!"

"Nothing personal. You understand, right? It doesn't matter that the bill really is pretty cool and all. We just want you to be seen as failing."

Now, THAT is love of country, eh?

[humbled_opinion]

47. He is exactly right..

In fact the Bill is right leaning.... That is why I personally don't care for it, I mean I like to get it done and it does address some of the issues but there is no Single Payer universal care that would solve many concerns of the people... Yet Obama got hammered for this bill which is far from a a purely progressive bill or even a very liberal bill that would have created a govt run universal health system.

The Cons used this to scare the people into thinking that if this became law then the inevitable govt take over of health insurance was going to happen.... Politics.... Pure Politics

I watched him today it was Daniel in the Lions den and he delivered.... May the enemies of Democracy fall victim to their own hateful rhetoric....

[julian09]

51. Great to see him do what he should have done

this past summer during the town hall meetings. He needs the rest of the Dems
to expose the dishonest representations of the health care and other issues. See what one
person can do, what can another 345 elected Dems do, with a little spine.

[deacon]

52. k + r n/t

[boomerbust]

53. Now tell me

We didn't elect the right man for the job. Class act. what more can you say.

[Randall Flagg]

54. This is the guy I voted for.

We need more of this Barack and less of the previous one.

[amyrose2712]

113. Love the name Flagg. nt

[mzmolly]

56. He was brilliant!

:toast:

[90-percent]

58. Hypothetical

Would we have gotten such an Obama at the State of the Union were it not for Alan Greyson before him?

And many other Dems, of course.

-jim

PS - this is brilliant playing on his part. He's saying and doing things that cannot easily be refuted or denied. If this is not all over MSM in a form favorable to Obama, then that confirms all of MSM is corporate pravda.

-jim

[RoccoR5955]

59. That's what I call, "Con PWNAGE!" n/t

[Barbara2423]

60. He was good but could be tougher. Call them out by name

and list the stupid things they have voted on. The GOP has been hiding behind bills the GOP does not want the public to know. If he does this the Democrats will be back in the saddle with the independents on board.

[KILL THE WISE ONE]

66. remind the public we have now, just what the Republicans want us to have

They had 6 of the eight years of Bush where they could have passed any of these half assed measures they are pushing now.
They thought they had a permanent majority, they chose to give us the health care reform they thought we deserved.

[The Midway Rebel]

61. Mr. President, More of THAT! PLEASE!

[scentopine]

62. I wish he would spend so much time and energy shoring up the left base than the right base...

now let the attacks against my comment begin! We can start with I missed the boat, or I need to be realistic, or centered etc.

I'm just not that impressed by talk. This health care bill was pretty fucked up, especially the senate bill.

I just don't see the need for a single party system and a great reconciliation. I see more of a need for riots in the streets against our head first plunge into fascism.

Like martial arts - you have to use your opponents weight against them, this is an interesting start in that from Obama - it will backfire, however - just watch. Republicans will never ever ever ever ever ever ever compromise. The "democrats" are obliged to meet the right wing.

I'm not stupid, just a liberal who sees nothing in the democratic party for liberals - and I get extremely angry when he talks about the "same problems on the left" that is an absolutely false and frankly stupid equivalency. There is nothing like the right wing noise machine from liberals.

Its always "those on the left" and "those on the right". "Those on the left" need to find a party even if it is a small political party where we feel welcome and can grow as a grass roots pressure against the "centrist" right wingers of both parties.

I am a liberal - so I would like to support a party "on the left". Which means for liberals like me (just a small minority of Americans whose money and labor helped keep the democratic party going for last 30 years or so). I am not ashamed of liberals, why should I be? I am ashamed of democrats and their conduct over last several decades.

The republicans have everything to gain by this theater - by focusing so much attention on the right wing, he is just giving them more and more credibility (remember Obama's first act as president was to have a big pow-wow with right wing pundits?)

Now if only he sat down and worked with and supported those of us on the left.... can you imagine? Wow a president who like liberals - one day maybe - one day.

(sigh... I am just so burned out by democratic pussy footing around, I can barely muster a required and righteous rage against the absurdity of it all)

[Enthusiast]

82. You are absolutely right about this part.

"There is nothing like the right wing noise machine from liberals."

The M$M simply will not allow it.

[MilesColtrane]

65. "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!"

Oh yeah, he's floatin' and stingin' the GOP.

[Major Hogwash]

77. Great comparison in terms of the magnitude this sort of thing has on us.

It was sorta like watching one of Ali-Frazier's fights.
Amazing, that's for sure.

[RollWithIt]

67. I am so very proud that he is our President right now... people need to recognize this is a long...

process.

[invisible]

70. Well done, President Obama!

I loved President Obama’s State of the Union speech, and I loved President Obama’s Question and Answer session even more.

[troubledamerican]

72. Uppity

Dig it

[Quixote1818]

73. I actually have to give the Republicans some credit for being civil and polite

Hopefully this is a good first step.

[TMagic]

75. 'You'd Think This Thing Was Some Bolshevik Plot'

I thought at first he said..."'You'd Think This Thing Was Some BuLL-Shit Plot'... LOL

[Major Hogwash]

76. Best line of the night. Or I guess, during the day. I watched this twice tonight.

It was just amazing.
Like watching someone lasso a tornado and wring the roar out of it.

I was totally awed by President Obama's ability to deal with those hooligans.
He was much calmer than I would have been.
He is awesome.

[Myrina]

102. I really liked how he Pwned Hensarling ...

"I know there's a question in there somewhere and I'd like to answer but right now you're just repeating talking points like this is a campaign commerical" (paraphrase)

SCORE! :applause:

[DesertFlower]

80. K&R

[Hubert Flottz]

83. The RepussaCons want real answers like...

"I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." "Is our children learning" "Bring it on" "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." "The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." "I think I was unprepared for war." "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." "Do you have blacks, too?" "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake." "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Those were the daze!

[wordpix]

92. ah, a trip down memory lane with pRes Dimwit, thanks

[HughBeaumont]

84. K & R for calling them on their (and their base's) insane "Teh Red Menace" bullshit.

For years, we had to sit back and watch as media from all stripes allowed the old and grizzled constituents of these Repug whips, congressmen and Senators associate anything Democratic with all things "Old Soviet". President Obama is now calling this talking point for what it is: dated, reactionary and downright idiotic.

Conservatives . . . It's Two thousand TEN. NO ONE UNDER 45 CARES ABOUT or HAS ANY EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT TO 'TEH EVIL EMPIRE' ANYMORE. You make yourselves sound like mountansized idiots instead of merely garden variety ones. Please stop. For ALL of us, pal.

Tell "Where's the Beef" jokes instead, they're just slightly more relevant.

[axollot]

111. +1! Excellent, relevant post. (as are pretty much all of your posts)! n/t

[D23MIURG23]

85. Thats what I like to see. n/t

[XanaDUer]

87. ...and the retards clapped

So, they DO think it is a Bolshevik plot?

[SemperEadem]

99. not only did they clap, but afterwards,

they wanted pictures with him and his autograph. They acted like he was a rock star--it was really interesting watching that.

[axollot]

110. noticed that - and- far to many actually do. Probably also happy

that they can misrepresent what he said with minor editing.
Cheers
Sandy

[skepticscott]

88. Great, but what took him so long?

The Republicans have been labeling HCR as a socialist/communist/other scary word plot for many months. Why is he only now calling them out on it?

[Joey Liberal]

93. That's the Obama that I voted for.

'Bout time.

[stuart68]

95. I guess I have to be the voice of reason

I only saw part of this, but it was enough for me. This will be diced up, respliced and jammed down his throat. I am not a media person, but even I can figure out this one.

"I will telivise the HC debate" candidate Obama
headlines - Obama refuses C-Span request
"I did televise the majority of the debate" President Obama

Had he kept his promises, this would have been a great move. It just created a wealth of opportunity for republicans.

He has an ego, he loves to let people see him "scolding" rebubs and as someone said above, looking down at them. The general population will not watch this in its entirety, but 60 seconds at a time. If you think the "inspiring" Obama will trump the "waffling" Obama, you're kidding yourselves.

Based on the tone of this thread, I better duck now.

[SemperEadem]

98. Afro Samurai Obama-san

That was better than the "Showdown at House of Blue Leaves" scene in Kill Bill Vol.1.

[TygrBright]

109. Nailed it!

Except that in this case, the Crazy Eighty-Eight DID have their Uzis along, but it didn't make any difference.

amusedly,
Bright

[veganlush]

101. Republican retreat...............n/t

[madmax]

103. Cheers to our President.

Well done, Sir. :patriot:

[FourScore]

104. He needs to do more of this sort of thing. n/t

[Mithreal]

105. Let's be friends. Oh please, won't ya be my friend, for the good of the country.

I get what he is trying to do. It is admirable but he should govern with the people in the meantime.

[Lorien]

115. If that was a "reprimand" it was extremely soft. "Centrist"? No, the current

HCR bill is entirely Right Wing since it serves the corporations and not the people. "People on our side do it too." hardly. Don't try to pull that "we're just as guilty" nonsense. Watching this reminded me of why the Dems aren't getting anywhere; Obama is very polite and knowledgeable, yes, but he never takes a strong stand on anything. If you don't take a stand and lead, the army just sits and waits for someone else who will. It's very discouraging.