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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:03 PM
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President Obama: Moving Forward on Health Care Reform
 
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President Obama calls for the House and Senate to vote on health care reform and says he will do everything in his power to make the case for reform. March 3, 2010.

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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:12 PM
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1. An "unrec" already???
The trolls are out trollin'.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 07:39 PM
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2. I'd like to get a prescription of Xanax or phenobarbital 'cause I need to CTFO
This debate coinciding with unemployment is killing me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:10 PM
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3. Thank you democracy1st.
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:21 PM
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4. So glad he knocked the blank piece of paper malarky out of dispute...
As Randi says can't close down the health insurance industry overnight given job loss, but as Hartmann says mandates give the people a stake in the outcome, an outcome of single payer once we've got their attention.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:24 PM
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5. He said "Leadership," I guess he's still doing his campaign bullshitting. He is now a proven liar.
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Kall Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 08:38 PM
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6. Translation
Now that we've successfully used the 60 vote myth to strip your health care reform of the popular parts, kill the public insurance option, cut deals with the pharmaceutical lobby to keep drug prices high, and legally required you to buy insurance from an industry for which we didn't remove the antitrust exemption, it's time to get this shit done with 51.
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:04 PM
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7. Reform?? It's a lie!
They LIE: Mandates to buy insurance does not = insurance coverage

"The silver lining: The bill provides coverage to 93 percent of Americans."

No, it doesn't. Both bills in Congress do not guarantee coverage for 93% of Americans -- they MANDATE that Americans buy private, for profit health insurance. There is a huge difference between PROVIDING coverage and MANDATING you BUY private, for profit, corporate coverage.

Most people that do not have health insurance are going without because they cannot afford the monthly premiums, especially if they are over 49 years of age or have pre-existing conditions OR family members that have/had pre-existing conditions. (Try buying insurance in the open market if you have 2 immediate family members that have battled cancer and you will know what I am talking about.)


It is a lie to say these bills will be successful because most Americans will have health insurance.

It is a lie to call this health care reform because these bills will not reform the cost issues that are prohibiting many Americans from getting health CARE.

It is a lie to call it health care reform when failure to buy the for profit insurance (that will not be sufficiently regulated) will result in FINES or PRISON.


It is a lie when they say we can pass this bill and fix the issues later. IT WON'T HAPPEN. Look at NAFTA. Remember that when we were sold NAFTA by Clinton, Gore & corporate media, we were told it could be renegotiated and fixed in 6 months if it wasn't working out. It's now 15 years later and NAFTA wasn't fixed or renegotiated and it has devastated Detroit. In just the past few months Whirlpool and Electrolux have moved almost 2000 more jobs to Mexico. Never mind that NAFTA has destroyed the value of our dollar and helped destroy our middle class economy.

And it is a lie when Democratic members of Congress jump on the insurance bandwagon while telling us how great this "reform" legislation is going to be.


The very corporations that have created the need for health care reform will be rewarded immensely for their bad past behavior. That is not the real reform we were promised or deserve.

Health care reform must include a strong public option that allows ALL Americans that want to participate access. It's key to controlling costs, expanding coverage, and forcing big insurance corporations to compete. Without it, we'll end up with a national health care system controlled by a handful of large corporations accountable neither to American voters nor to the market.

This legislation as currently stands is totally dysfunctional
and I cannot support it.

Nor should any thinking person, especially progressives.

We need to let Congress know we will not accept an insurance corporation giveaway as health care reform.

Passing this Corporate Health Insurance Profit Protection Act will be disastrous for Americans and for Democrats in November.

KILL THIS BILL NOW, before it destroys us thru corporate mandated slavery.




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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:59 PM
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9. +1
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SanchoPanza Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:25 AM
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12. All Untrue.
There is a huge difference between PROVIDING coverage and MANDATING you BUY private, for profit, corporate coverage.


You are not mandated to buy for-profit coverage. Medicaid and Medicare will still exist, and the rating/issue regulations will allow non-profits to survive and thrive, something that is presently possible in only a handful of states. Having everyone in the same pool, and making it illegal for insurers to deny people based on their medical history, prevents insurance companies from carving up the risk pool and taking all the "profitable" customers (young and healthy). After Vermont passed community rating and guaranteed issue back in the early 90s, their non-profits went from being on life support to financially sustainable.

The mandate exists so that people will not be able to purchase coverage only when they get sick, and dumping it after they get treated, without some sort of cost attached to it. And the cost is pretty light.

It is a lie to call it health care reform when failure to buy the for profit insurance (that will not be sufficiently regulated) will result in FINES or PRISON.


The government is forbidden by statute to issue any liens or criminal penalties for not complying with the mandate. Section 5000A(g)(2), on the question of failure to comply with the mandate:

(A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.
In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary shall not—
(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the penalty imposed by this section, or
(ii) levy on any such property with respect to such failure.

It's $750 a year or 2% additional income withholdings, whichever is greater, if you don't get even the minimal, basic, catastrophic coverage. This is subject to change pending reconciliation. The Senate version is less than the House version, but the House version is on a sliding scale so if you make less, you get a lower rate. Obama's proposal (which I believe is safe to say will be the reconciliation version) will be a bit of both. Lower overall than the House, but progressive.

So, no, the IRS won't send men with guns to your house if you refuse to get insurance. Unless you don't pay your taxes at all. Then yeah, they'll send the men with guns. But they still won't penalize you extra for evading the mandate.

It is a lie when they say we can pass this bill and fix the issues later. IT WON'T HAPPEN. Look at NAFTA.


The NAFTA comparison has always been apples and oranges. It's an enforcement issue, particularly within Mexico, not an issue with the text of the agreement itself. This is why the vast majority of the complaints about NAFTA deal with the U.S./Mexico trade relationship and not the U.S./Canada trade relationship. The same is not true with respect to the content of the HCR Bill.

And even if it was, there is a growing consensus within both House and Senate caucuses that the best way forward is for the House to pass the Senate bill and for the Senate to pass a reconciliation bill that implements changes that House Democrats want. The only roadblock are nervous House Blue Dogs and how much can be done under reconciliation that doesn't violate the Byrd Rule. The process is there for "fixing" the Bill, and its far less Sisyphean than renegotiating a trade agreement between three counties.

The very corporations that have created the need for health care reform will be rewarded immensely for their bad past behavior.


Every insurance company will have to abide by new rules on rating, issue, and pricing that are vastly superior to the regulations in all but a few states. Anthem's recent rate hike among individual policy holders, for example, would simply not be possible within the exchanges. Rescission would be limited to issues not related to medical history (like if you lie on your application saying you have two dependents who will be covered under the policy but actually have six, and stuff like that). All insurers would have to abide by medical loss ratios (minimal % of revenue spent on care). Clearly defined benefits and price controls within the exchanges, and expanded to the large-group market within a few years.

The only bad actors that are rewarded, in any respect, are the drug companies via the 12-year exclusivity on brand name drugs.

Health care reform must include a strong public option that allows ALL Americans that want to participate access. It's key to controlling costs, expanding coverage, and forcing big insurance corporations to compete.


A "strong" public option can certainly help control costs and foster competition, but it is by no means the only thing. Which isn't to say that I'm against a public option. I'd like one. I'd like several, actually. It's just that it isn't the real prize: a more responsive marketplace.

Without the necessary regulation, health insurance is fundamentally a broken market. Yes, even with a public option. Companies don't compete to offer the best and least expensive services. In fact, they hardly compete at all. They carve up the risk pool, weed out anyone who will be a major liability, and dump those people onto public programs or non-profits. Without community rating or guaranteed issue, even the strongest public option would become financially insecure eventually. Companies like Aetna and Wellpoint would simply leave it all the people who cost more than they put in, which is exactly what they did to all those BCBSs around the country that use to be non-profit.

The puzzling thing about the "no cost controls" argument is that there is usually nested within that a complaint about the mandate and/or the excise tax. Here's the thing: both of those are cost controls. The mandate makes sure people who don't think they need to be insured (younger/healthier) actually pay into the system, offsetting the costs of older and sicker people. And the excise tax gives a major disincentive to insurance companies to offer benefits packages that are grossly inflated and drive up premium/OoP costs up for everyone else. This bill has no cost controls... except the cost controls we don't like for reasons unrelated to cost. Which is perfectly fine. There are legitimate objections to the mandate and the excise tax. But that they aren't cost controls isn't one of them.

Anyway, the legislation also has some other cost control measures. One is payment bundling (Medicare/Medicaid/Tricare paying hospitals for total care over a period of time, not breaking up payments for diagnostics, treatment, medication, etc) so that doctors no longer get paid more for simply doing more, especially when the "more" is just stuff they add on that has no relation to care but gets them more money. Another is that regulators have the legal authority to ban insurance companies from the exchanges if they inflate premiums. There's also the Medicare Commission, which has the power to take local pilot programs, such as those that save costs, and institute them nationwide as well as forcing a vote on spending-related issues without the possibility of filibuster or amendments.

So cost controls are there. They may not be ones you like, but that's a different issue.

This legislation as currently stands is totally dysfunctional
and I cannot support it.

Nor should any thinking person, especially progressives.


I've long been of the opinion that the root of "progressive" is "progress". Whether or not that makes me a thinking person is a matter of perspective, I suppose.





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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 07:34 AM
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13. This is an excellent post.
It should be an OP of it's own to counter the misinformation and fear propaganda that are consuming this debate.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 09:10 PM
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8. So single payer is "unrealistic," and he just can't wait to include more republican ideas in
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 09:18 PM by liberation
the proposal.


Is that it?

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suede1 Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 10:32 PM
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10. Got about seven minutes in and couldn't stand the lies and twisting of the facts.
I knew Lieberman was an ass for years. But Obama screwed us all the while pretending to be on our side.
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BigD_95 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 11:14 AM
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14. Please
Obama didnt screw anyone. He can make laws himself. You think any Republican would get something half as good as this bill done?

Hell they only want 3 million more people covered.

Just the fact that they cant use pre-existing conditions to kick you off coverage is a victory in itself.

I want a single payer system. Im unhappy this is all we get but this is the best Obama can do. There isnt even 50 votes for a public Option. Last I heard only 30 or so senators signed that letter saying they would vote for it. Hell Obama is having a hard enough time getting this through.

The President doesnt get to wave a magic wand and make everything the way he wants it. We have all these scared pussy Dems elected that wont take a stand or are paid off. Thats not Obama's fault. I believe he would love to sign a bill with a public option. But he also knows he will never see one.

And you can cry all you want that no bill is better then a bill without a public option but you tell that to those 30+ million that cant get healthcare. Or those that cant get it or been kicked off it because of pre-existing conditions
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 11:48 PM
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11. May be "moving forward" but nothing to do with HCR.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 02:35 PM
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15. It is hard for me to believe there are people on the left pretending this is a good thing.
It's not. It is a sell out to our supposed ideals, and by embracing this program we're throwing away the best chance to fix it in years.

The right gets more ground from made up problems than the left does with real ones because too many accept whatever BS is thrown at us.


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