Olbermann: 'The House of Secrets' (w/ John Dean)

[Hissyspit]

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Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann - JULY 27, 2007. Gonzales, Comey, Tony Snow, etc.

[Demit]

1. Interesting clip, thanks. WRT John Dean's point that Nixon was sensitive to ridicule

and that's what drove him from office, and that Bush is different b/c he doesn't get it—I wonder did he mean that Bush is blissfully unaware that he is a ridiculous figure (he just doesn't 'get it'), or that he is actually not receiving any ridicule, not getting it in any appreciable measure from the media? Hmmm. Because I have always believed that he is vulnerable to being told "shame on you," ever since he famously mangled an ordinary cliche because he just couldn't say "(Fool me twice,) shame on ME."

[truth2power]

2. Nope. It's the psychopathy...

"...and that Bush is different b/c he doesn't get it..."

You know how Bush has been described as "incurious," and how that seems so odd? Would "indifferent" be an equally accurate term?

You know how he smirks and shrugs and has that creepy chuckle when describing events that, to us, are extremely distressing? For instance, the hideous injuries inflicted on our troops in Iraq? Do you feel there's something "off" about that, but you can't adequately describe it?

How about when he states (and he has) that he sleeps well at night, or when he said, shortly after 9/11, "All in all it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me?"

Well, take a look at this:

"While most of us have strong inhibitions about physically injuring others, psychopaths typically do not. For them, violence and threats are handy tools to be used when they are angered, defied, or frustrated, and they give little thought to the pain and humiliation experienced by the victims. Their violence is callous and instrumental --used to satisfy a simple need, such as sex, or to obtain something he or she wants -- and the psychopath's reactions to the event are much more likely to be indifference , a sense of power, pleasure, or smug satisfaction than regret over the damage done. Certainly nothing to lose any sleep over.

-- Robert D. Hare, PhD, Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us p. 88-89


Textbook case.



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edit: Yikes! Wrong book title.

[mzmolly]

5. You said it!

Spot - on.

[L. Coyote]

3. Gonzolies (verb. nov.) English, May 17, 2007

When Boston Globe reporter Bill Cardoso read Hunter Thompson's "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved" he proclaimed "That is pure Gonzo!" Cardoso used the South Boston Irish slang describing the last man standing after a drinking marathon.

"Gonzolies" is the English neologism describing the last man standing after a lying match.

"Gonzo journalism" refers to when an author cannot remove himself from the subject he investigates, often referring to a style of writing a story as perceived in the moment in the mind of the writer. Thompson believed objectivity in journalism was pure myth.

MORE: Gonzolies (verb. nov.) English, May 17, 2007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x907626

[L. Coyote]

4. Good Point: Parse-lies do not count as chargable crimes.

If we can prove that any one "I do not recall" is a lie, we are in the perjury business.

If you just analyze Gonzolies attorney-speak, it simply says, "I'm working around an obvious lie I cannot tell, so I'll parse a string of bull crap together for you that will make you think I answered your question the way I would if I told a direct lie that would sound a lot like what this seems to say."

Parse-lie, definition: a "parse-lie" is a political plant that blooms all year long. A parse-lie is not a real lie, it is just a florid string of crap that makes one believe something not said. It is a clever construction that makes one believe the lie it replaces. At the same time, it end runs the actual lie by parsing truth to sound like the lie it averts.

Gonzolies is still the number one cop.
Parse-lies really stink like the BS they are.

You need more than "I do not recall" to prosecute someone for perjury.
Gonzolies has been parse-lying like a professional attorney!
Nonetheless, this has all the odor of a lying contest.

[Joe Chi Minh]

6. "cannot" seems an odd choice of words in the phrase, "when an author cannot remove himself...",

when HST's technique was deliberate, because he considered that no-one could report on US politics objectively. And he was surely right.

[rabies1]

7. I love listening to John Dean.

This man has great insight.

[nebula]

8. Impeachment is too good for these shameless thugs

Bush and Cheney deserve nothing less than the death penalty.

[Sam Ervin jret]

9. We all miss what my old friend Mr Dean alluded to: the truth, IS worse... or rather

the hair splitting of the truth is worse. Maybe they were talking about the patriot act + data mining(right from the phone lines, every name, every piece of data) + a little known Vegas created computer program which all add together to make one BIG nasty open ended "may I peek into every one's life surveillance program PLUS. What is the plus? Not only does it violate your right to freedom from unlawful search and seizure, but also your right to free association. You see the truth, as Mr Dean said, could and probably is worse. If you have never heard of this "crime tool" you're not alone. I only heard about it being used once in Vegas. The software was created there. Check it out. Christmas time, bomb threat (of course) and a Frontline investigation. I don't think they found a bomb.