Troops refusing to serve in Afghanistan could end the Occupation

[WhoIsNumberNone]

Run time: 04:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWgG4kw455E   Posted on YouTube: March 06, 2010 By YouTube Member: RevolutionaryJam Views on YouTube: 252   Posted on DU: March 08, 2010 By DU Member: WhoIsNumberNone Views on DU: 1445

 

Troops refusing to serve in Afghanistan could end the Occupation! Support Joe Glenton! Here's How!

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[Travis_0004]

1. Even if you don't support the war. . .

What did he think was going to happen when he joined the military. He was being trained at government expense so they could send where he is needed.

Either he signed up after Afghanistan was started, or he reenlisted.

I have no symphony.

[Mike K]

2. I agree.

But as I'm sure you've already discovered, logic and reason have no place in this discussion with the majority of Americans, many (most?) of whom actually believe our troops in the Middle East are defending America. Their thoughtless "support the troops" kind of latent fanaticism is reminiscent of that which manifested in pre-War Hitler Germany.

[damonm]

3. Ok, I REALLY didn't expect to have to use this here...

I've worn it out on the idiots on Hannity's board...



But I suppose there's a first time for everything.

(edit for typo)

[zeemike]

4. Sorry but I must defend Mike.

His use is not inappropriate and is relevant.
I don't like it much when we take words, thoughts, and ideas out of our vocabulary....a bit to Orwellian for me.
But the right does that all the time and does it well...one cannot talk about things like socialism (for instance)
at all and if you use it in a sentence no matter what you are trying to say they will call foul with.....See I told you (he, she or it) is socialistic....

No we need to talk more about the rise of fascism and nationalism not less.

[damonm]

11. As you wish...

... but nationalism has been with us for hundreds of years, and I do not see it going away anytime soon.
FASCISM, OTOH, I agree - we DO need to talk about that. However, you must admit that the "Nazi" argument has been cheapened almost to the point of uselessness.

[zeemike]

13. And not without reason.

Every time they take a word away from you we become less intelligent.
And that word is taken away not because it has been used too much but because of the fake outrage it generates from those that do not want to have the conversation.

As it stands now, a leader could stand up and purpose all the things that Hitler did and no one would dare suggest he was a Nazi.

[Selatius]

7. Godwin's Law is predicated upon the assumption that corporatism will never rise again.

60 years ago, your grandparents would refer to it as "fascism," but "corporatism" was also a label given to the phenomenon around the same time, though less well known obviously. The quotation that fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power is often attributed to Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini. If corporatism is a more descriptive term for the phenomenon, the US could at least qualify for being called "quasi-corporatist" or "proto-corporatist" given the amount of influence corporations have over government.

[Mike K]

9. I recommend that you -

- read, The Theory and Practice of Hell, by Eugen Kogen (available from Amazon), in which he, having been a German soldier in North Africa, talks about how the mainly good, decent and effectively propagandized German people believed the aggressive militarism of their nation under Hitler, which ultimately included the invasion of Poland, the expansion into all of Europe and, ultimately, the ethnic cleansing of Germany, occurred in defense of the Fatherland. The buckle on the belt of Wehrmacht soldiers bore the motto, Gott Mit Uns, (God Is With Us), which the largely religious majority of Germans, like the largely religious majority of Americans who support the unlawful, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq, truly believed -- and continue to believe.

[damonm]

10. I have,

and your analogy simply doesn't work unless you leave out everyone but the Rethugs.
THERE I would agree - what passes for a "conservative" these days would find very much to like about these proto-nazis.
However, I see polls showing a sizeable majority of the American public in fact OBJECTS to the militaristic adventures Bush started us on, and the fact that his party has been soundly defeated in the last 2 major election cycles does your analogy no favors.

[zeemike]

5. And welcome to DU.

And you are right....it was Nationalism that brought us all our great wars.
And you would have thought we had learned the lessons of history and not fall for that one again....but we have and we pay the price for it.

[CLANG]

6. I have no symphony.

And I have no orchestra. :eyes: :crazy: :rofl:

[jonnyblitz]

8. ......

:rofl:

[DFab420]

12. hmm

I agree with the DUers above, I have no sympathy for this man. Actually as friend and brother to many in the armed services I find most drivel like this disrespectful, as well as I find it incredibly demeaning to us as a whole for people to place our support of our troops up with the support of the Germans for the Nazi soldiers.

That is sick. And I am effing tired of it. Both of my grandfathers fought and gave blood and sweat in WWII. My uncle was in Vietnam, my friends are in Iraq and Afghanistan. NOW while I am never in favor of war, I will ALWAYS support the men and women who put their lives as forfeit for the protection and well-being of this country. If your world views are so cynical and twisted you can't even see the difference between that and NAZI F*CKING GERMANY. Then honestly you should just keep thoughts in your head, since they do you no justice being aired.

There. I have vented and feel better, Please remember though. While you sit here online, bitching about wars and Nazis and saluting a coward who joined the military then refused to serve... There are people being shot at right now who volunteered. Be thankful they did and there isn't conscription anymore, bet if there was you would be singing a different tune.

[damonm]

14. +1,000,000

[Mari333]

15. knr

[Mari333]

16. those who refuse to participate in corporate wars are the true heros

anyone who supports either of these insane illegal occupations in any way is a chickenhawk, the worst kind of scum there is.


GOD BLESS THESE SOLDIERS FOR REFUSING TO BE CANNON FODDER FOR CORPORATE WARS OF PROFIT

[DFab420]

17. Wow.

Haha I would like you to say that to the face of anyone who has had the balls to stand next to his kin and fight, not run and hide and say "I didn't sign up for this man". Now Inb4 you call me scum again...I do not support the wars, I do support the troops, thats a huge difference and one I hope everyone here understands, it's important to let these real heroes know that no matter who told them to fight, we wish them a safe return home.

They aren't cannon fodder, you when you say that you spit on the grave of everyone who has lost their lives for the past 10 years. Please, remember your words carry weight. Don't burden them with your cynicism and myopic hate. It limits us all.

[Mari333]

18. .....

http://www.ivaw.org/
http://www.veteransforpeace.org/
http://www.mfso.org



NO MORE WAR FOR NOTHING

[RevolutionaryJam]

19. Hey

Just a quick thanks for using my video to spark a debate :-)

Antony