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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:14 PM
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Obama Calls for an Educational Overhaul
 
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President Barack Obama promised to rewrite the nation's sweeping and controversial education law known as No Child Left Behind with a plan to prepare students for life after high school and to place better teachers at the blackboards. (March 13)
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:28 PM
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1. yeah, it's called No Teacher Left Standing.
:rofl:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:30 PM
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2. It would be nice if you had at least some concern for the CHILDREN
and their FUTURES
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:37 PM
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3. Is "concerned for the children" your new role for today?
Edited on Sat Mar-13-10 02:38 PM by liberation
LOL.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:40 PM
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4. Well it would appear we are on opposite sides of the issue when it comes to Children
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:42 PM
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7. get a special rate with the hairshirt?
More change for the violin? :rofl:

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:58 PM
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12. Yeah, yeah. But what are your qualifications in order to be able to talk about education issues?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:04 PM
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14. Well the person I posted is a former college professor and who's wife was
the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University's Community Service Center.

I think that is much better than most sources.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:10 PM
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17. LOL, I asked about YOUR qualifications...
... don't bother I know where this is going. Have a nice day. Good luck in your endeavors.

LOL
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:12 PM
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18. I didn't voice my opinion in the OP, I posted someone else's
Edited on Sat Mar-13-10 03:13 PM by NJmaverick
there for your request was nonsensical and so I provided something that actually useful.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:21 PM
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:55 PM
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21. It was a simple question. So you are not qualified. Thanks.
I am simply following your own arbitrary standards, as far as I could see from my interaction with you yesterday. It seem to you what is good for the goose is optional for the gander depending on your narrative.

Anyhow, it is clear what you are here to do. So I will not provide more fodder.... again, have a nice one.

Cheers...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:58 PM
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22. I didn't give my qualifications
Edited on Sat Mar-13-10 04:06 PM by NJmaverick
do you form all your opinions or come to your conclusions in a similar manner (namely with the complete absence of facts)?
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:02 PM
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30. The projection is strong with this one... LOL
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:07 AM
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34. An administrator at a private university?
What makes her opinion significant on the topic of K-12 public schools?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:41 PM
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5. tearing down teachers so corporate lackies can privatize schools is NOT CONCERN
for the children. At best it's *legacy Polishing*, at worst it's re-paying campaign contributors.

Obama's not shown a third option to either one of those.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:43 PM
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8. You need to focus on the children. It's clear from you reply that
Edited on Sat Mar-13-10 02:47 PM by NJmaverick
you are far more concerned with other issues and the children and their futures are far from a priority. In the end though, I think yours is a losing position. Few Americans will sacrifice children and their futures to allow teachers to be immune to job performance standards.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:59 PM
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13. From reading your posts yesterday it is clear what you are...
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:51 AM
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39. Exactly.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:36 PM
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24. THANK-YOU!
It seems many here put politics ahead of our children's future! The education system is broken and desperately needs an overhaul! GO OBAMA!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:50 PM
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25. Agreed
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 05:19 PM
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27. "The education system is broken"
No, it is not.

The education system however is being starved to death to justify the privatization of education.
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:34 PM
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31. Whatever...
There is far worse problems than that...We all know what they are but no one wants to admit it. Obama does and that is wonderful news!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:17 AM
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33. "There is far worse problems than that"
See, your grammar proves it! It's all your teacher's fault...

"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" George W. Bush,—Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:05 AM
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36. You are correct!
I am a product of the public school system!
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:06 PM
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41. So if you are so smart now
why don't you work on the grammar issue?
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 07:10 AM
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42. Who labeled me "smart"??
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 05:13 PM
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26. Those of us employed in education
are not all teachers, but we are all there, taking the abuse, taking the cuts, the furloughs, the bumping out of jobs via seniority and whatever other shit our districts want to hand us via the state because we exactly do HAVE CONCERN FOR THE CHILDREN. It's time to pump some of the overbloated military budget into the childrens' futures but I will tell you right now;none of us would be there taking the crap unless we loved the kids. The people that should not be there leave when they abuse us because they don't care about the kids.

Thanks for your concern for our concern. :sarcasm:
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:10 PM
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16. +1
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:41 PM
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6. I refuse to watch this.
I find the phrase "to place better teachers at the blackboards" another slap at the millions of dedicated, hard-working professionals who are swimming upstream while trying to comply with every new half-witted mandate that comes out of Washington.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:45 PM
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9. The RESULTS show our teaching profession has room for improvement
That is not a slap at anyone. Rather it's simply the reality that needs to be dealt with.
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Bluesbreaker Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:53 AM
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35. What results? Standardized test scores?
If a child comes into a class at the beginning of the year and can barely read and calculate, but doubles his or her score in each area by the end of the year, most people would consider the teacher to have been extremely successful, but not Obama and Duncan. According to them, if the child scores below the national benchmarks for their grade level, the teacher is a failure.

If there is an entire school of kids from poor homes, many of whom come from immigrant families and do not speak English at home, then is it reasonable to expect the entire school to show dramatic improvement every year, even if the migrant nature of the families results in a big turnover in student population? That's what happened at Central Falls High School in Providence, RI. Obama applauded the school superintendent for firing all of the teachers. That's his plan: blame the teachers if students don't score well (and of course if they come from poor neighborhoods they won't). And then fire the teachers and turn the schools into charters with corporate sponsors who will rake in the tax payer dollars.

Obama and Duncan care about the president's campaign contributors, not the kids. They only people who have applauded his plan so far are the corporate CEOs on the Business Roundtable. Don't beleive me?

Check out the NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/education/14child.html?pagewanted=2

Better yet, check out the Washington Post:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/education-secretary-duncan/obama-and-nclb-the-good--and-v.html
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:40 AM
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:05 PM
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40. the new standards call for
evaluating each child's individual progress.

not only that, but:

"At the high school level, this data will also include graduation rates, college enrollment rates, and rates of college enrollment without need for remediation. All of these data must be disaggregated by race, gender, ethnicity, disability status, English Learner status, and family income. States and districts also will collect other key information about teaching and learning conditions, including information on school climate such as student, teacher and school leader attendance; disciplinary incidents; or student, parent, or school staff surveys about their school experience."

. . . Measuring and Supporting Schools, Districts, and States. State accountability systems will be asked to recognize progress and growth and reward success, rather than only identify failure. To ensure that accountability no longer falls solely at the doors of schools, districts and states will be held accountable for providing their schools, principals and teachers with the support they need to succeed.

States, districts and schools will look not just at absolute performance and proficiency,10 but at individual student growth and school progress over time, and the additional data described above, to guide local improvement and support strategies for schools.


Now, does THAT make you just a little bit happier?


you really SHOULD actually READ the whole thing. http://www2.ed.gov/policy/elsec/leg/blueprint/blueprint.pdf
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 05:22 PM
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28. Thank you for the recognition
I love most of our teachers at my school. They are completely dedicated to the education of their students. They are however, being pink-slipped through no fault of their own. We are at the mercy of moronic legislation.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:49 PM
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10. We're competing with countries that offer free college educations
to their citizens. THIS is the solution, not more testing in grade school.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:08 PM
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15. In fact in most EU states, they have free cradle-to-grave education systems...
The only saving grace in the USA is that we still have an excellent college system. But frankly, when I got my PhD I was the only American (and I have dual citizenship for crying out loud) in my research group. Seeing the dearth of American students in top groups doing applied science/engineering was a frightening realization.


And coming to America is becoming less and less "enticing" to top foreign students, since their systems are catching up. And let's not forget that trade education in a lot of places around the world (the EU specially) is simply orders of magnitude more advanced than the complete mess that we have in this country in lieu of trade education. Which is a significant reason why quality of American-manufacturing is having such a fantastic time competing in the world market.


I am afraid that in their effort to dismantle the educational system, in order to produce a dumb and docile society... the proponents of such idiocy may have shot all of country in the foot. Having a non-educated docile work force is a difficult approach to compete and create/increase wealth. Which is the dangers of being ruled by a new business elite which hasn't worked a single honest workday in their lives.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 03:30 PM
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20. Many in the US don't feel they'll ever get to attend college.
It's simply not considered an option. And as you've said, what would elitists do if we were largely, highly educated?
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 02:52 PM
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11. Administration Unveils ESEA Renewal Blueprint
". . . The administration would allow states and districts considerably more leeway to determine how to intervene in schools that are struggling to meet the law’s achievement targets, but aren’t among the lowest-performing schools. It would also permit states to expand the subjects tested beyond reading and mathematics. And it would ask schools to report on a broader range of factors, such as school climate.

“We’ve got to get accountability right this time so it actually drives improvement in student achievement,” Mr. Duncan said in a March 12 conference call with reporters. He added there were three overarching goals with the newly released blueprint: setting a high bar for students and schools, rewarding excellence and success, and maintaining local control and flexibility.

"Through this plan, we are setting an ambitious goal: all students should graduate from high school prepared for college and a career—no matter who you are or where you come from."

The looming 2014 deadline under NCLB—the date by which all students are supposed to be proficient in reading and math—would essentially go away under the department’s blueprint. States instead would be given time to adopt new college- and career-ready standards, and they would set performance targets against those new standards,

. . . To address complaints that the NCLB law doesn’t make a clear distinction between schools that are consistently struggling to raise the achievement of all their students and schools that are having trouble only with particular student populations, the Obama administration is seeking to differentiate interventions for schools that have varying difficulty in meeting the law’s goals.

The new vision for ESEA would provide local and state flexibility in determining what interventions were necessary in most schools. And broadly, the department says there would be consequences and rewards for districts and states as well as schools.

But the bottom 5 percent of schools would be forced to use the department’s four turnaround models that now govern the Title I School Improvement Grant program. The next-lowest 5 percent would be on a “warning” list and be required to take action using research-based interventions, although the department would not mandate one of the four turnaround models.

In addition, states would be required to identify schools with the greatest achievement gaps and take aggressive action to fix the problem. If, within three years, a school’s students failed to improve, the department would require the state to take over the school’s Title I spending.

States would also be directed to point to high-poverty schools that were making significant progress in closing achievement gaps and reward them with recognition and additional funding.

The proposal to set up different tiers of sanctions was widely anticipated by most observers. The Education Department already allows some states to use such a system through a “differentiated consequences” pilot project, created in 2008 under Secretary Duncan’s predecessor, Margaret Spellings.

Still, the idea earned high marks from advocates for state and district officials.

. . . In an important policy shift, schools that failed to meet achievement targets would not be mandated to provide school choice or supplemental educational services, known as SES.Mr. Duncan had already signaled that the tutoring and public-school-choice provisions under NCLB were not acceptable to him. Last April, in light of the $10 billion in additional Title I money flowing to states and school districts from the federal economic-stimulus package, he invited states to apply for waivers to make those provisions more flexible. So far, the department has granted 43 waivers.

The proposal could meet with opposition in Congress, particularly among Republicans.

“It’s disappointing to see and school choice removed from the parental toolbox, particularly because it appears the focus is shifting to the needs of schools rather than the needs of students,” said Alexa Marrero, a spokeswoman for Rep. John Kline of Minnesota, the top Republican on the House Education and Labor Committee.

Mr. Duncan’s dislike for the supplemental-services provisions in NCLB is well known. While the chief executive officer of the Chicago school system, he fought regularly—and publicly—with the Education Department during the Bush administration in his quest to allow the district to serve as a provider of tutoring services for its students, even though the district had not made adequate yearly progress. The department told Mr. Duncan in 2004 that he must stop providing the services using federal funds, but he refused to do so.

. . . On another front, the ESEA renewal plan seeks to give teachers a voice in school improvement efforts by using still-to-be-specified surveys about working conditions and school climate.

And it would seek to strengthen provisions in current law that require states to make sure their most effective teachers are distributed equitably among high- and low-poverty schools, such as by providing more reporting and transparency. Schools would be required to report on factors such as teacher turnover, teacher absenteeism, and the number of novice teachers working in a school.

States would also be directed to develop a definition of “effective teacher” that relies at least partially on student outcomes, and to establish systems for linking students’ academic performance to their teachers and school leaders.

. . . “encourage funding equity,” such as by requiring schools and districts to more clearly show how resources are being distributed among high- and low-poverty schools.

Under the blueprint, states would be able to measure individual students’ academic growth, rather than comparing different cohorts of students with each other, as under current law.

. . . the administration was seeking to replace AYP—the signature accountability yardstick in the NCLB law—with a new measure aimed at making sure students are ready for college or a career.

And earlier this month, the administration released a proposal to tie Title I grants for districts to states’ adoption of college- and career-ready standards. States could either join with a consortium seeking to develop such standards, or work with their institutions of higher education to craft them.

The Title I proposal is expected to bolster the Common Core State Standards Initiative, the highest-profile national effort to develop more uniform, rigorous standards.

http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/03/13/25esea.h29.html?tkn=MPMFIVw0NVZF%2BPakj5QQXnAiIVrF1yURVnUN&cmp=clp-edweek

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Fruittree Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:37 AM
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37. Thank you for posting this -
Overall, after reading through the posts - in my opinion, I think people need to relax, wait to see what the whole proposal is, wait to see how it's received by schools, wait to see how it's going to be implemented, wait to see how it works for a bit before declaring it a failure. Having been through an inner city school, I can say from experience there are major problems that need to be addressed and change is necessary. It shouldn't be scary to go to school. And, no, I'm not saying teachers are solely to blame - but Obama isn't either much as some would choose to believe that.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 04:15 PM
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23. Well this is long overdue.
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wial Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 07:25 PM
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29. I was a student during the Reagan years
The current disaster in education is entirely his fault. Neoliberals deserve to be put in a hall of shame with the worst of history's criminals. It was no innocent sin, it was willful, sickening ignorance and pride. They won with propaganda campaigns that rolled over the protests of good people like tanks. They will keep winning until Reagan is put in his proper place in history, with Clinton and the DLC in a sidecar. They destroyed American civilization.
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Tutankhamun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:02 PM
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32. Part of the strategy is to complicate any discussion of educational "reform."
This keeps things vague and hazy as the electorate longs to grasp something solid.

The next step is to offer up a meme: "Merit pay!" or "Save our students! Fire all their bad teachers!"

"But how? Isn't this much, much, easier said than done?" asks the electorate.

The politicians respond, "It'll be just fine. Leave those messy DETAILS to us."

There's a pattern.
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