TYT Interviews: Red Families V. Blue Families (Research on Social Conservatives & Sexual Morality)

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 16:14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xStPQxup1mw   Posted on YouTube: March 17, 2010 By YouTube Member: TYTInterviews Views on YouTube: 971   Posted on DU: March 18, 2010 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 750

 
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Summary: (FYI, Cenk is in London preparing to speak at the Guardian's http://www.guardian.co.uk/changingmediasummit|Changing Media Summit>.) Guest hosts Ben Mankiewicz (Turner Classic Movies) and Mark Thompson (Fox LA weatherman & voiceover guy for everything you could imagine) talk to June Carbone who co-authored the book Red Families v. Blue Families about social conservatives and the general failure of abstinence-only education (middle school excepted?), the impact of hard economic times on teen pregnancy, the impact of early marriage and more. You can http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Law/LawSociety/LawandSocialScience/?view=usa&ci=9780195372175|read about it here>.

[MedfordTim]

1. Real life "Idiocracy"

Let's hope it turns out better than the movie...

[ihavenobias]

6. It was a decent movie.

It could have been great, but it was only "ok".

[miscsoc]

7. it was decent but

judge has been drifting increasingly towards a racist sort of wingnuttery, which makes idiocracy seem a bit sinister what with the faintly eugenic, sterilize the poor implied message. he's been involved with steve sailer, who is a kingpin of modern pseudoscientific racialism - he did an interview with him about idiocracy, iirc

edit: i'm sure he did an interview somewhere, but i might be wrong. can't find it. hm. anyway, sailer loves him, and the guy's certainly going in a shady direction when you consider that shitty liberal family cartoon he did a while ago, which was mostly unfunny and heavy handed and had none of koth's subtlety. i was willing to dismiss the idea of idiocracy as a eugenicist film, but i'm not so sure now

here's some of sailer's praise, anyway http://isteve.blogspot.com/2006/09/mike-judges-idiocracy-movie-fox-studio.html

[miscsoc]

2. regarding sexual morality

there is a really firm corellation, internationally, between open attitudes towards sex, and non-moralistic sex education, and sexual self control. The Netherlands is famous for being very permissive and honest about sex, but has a very low rate of teen pregnancy etc. When you overly moralise sex and treat it as some mysterious forbidden activity you encourage people to become obsessed with it and behave irresponsibly. Most people, young people anyway, naturally like sex. It's obvious that if you have an inescapable longing for something and people keep telling you you shouldn't feel this, you're going to have a fucked up attitude towards that thing.

[Rhiannon12866]

3. +1. Very well stated. K&R.

Welcome to DU, miscsoc! It's great to have you with us! :toast:

[PA Democrat]

4. What's really sad is the very people who rail most vehemently against teen pregnancy

and abortion are more likely to oppose the very things that would most drastically reduce both teen pregnancy and abortion rates. We really should look at the difference in attitudes and approaches in the countries that have the greatest success. And here is a clue, comprehensive sex education, access to contraceptives, open attitudes about sex go a long way in prevention. Legislation banning abortion does not reduce abortion rates.

Great article at the link below:

http://www.examiner.com/x-300-Fatherhood-Examiner~y2008m7d15-Teen-Pregnancy--Why-the-US-Lags-Behind-Europe

[miscsoc]

5. plus

a functioning welfare state makes teen mothers less likely to abort, as does as a culture that doesn't treat young mothers without a trust fund like shit. it's surreal that the same people who rail against abortion love to attack "welfare moms", and slash their benefits. They must know on some level that anti-single mother welfare "reform" promotes abortion, legal or otherwise. They just don't give a shit.

If people are clueless about sex and don't have access to contraception, they will get pregnant more. If society makes having a child an ordeal, and offers no support to mothers, people will have more abortions.

This is really straightforwArd. But these facts just don't matter to some people.

They are more obsessed with avoiding helping poor people than stopping abortions, and they enjoy persecuting kids for having sex, and punishing them for doing it, more than preventing teen pregnancies. If they cared about teen pregnancy, illegitimacy and abortion they would promote policies that reduced those things. They prefer to ignore or falsify the evidence.