CNN: Michael Moore on HCR Pt. 1 - 'Worst Thing About the Bill is That...'

[Hissyspit]

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CNN Situation Room w/ WOLF BLITZER - 22 March 2010: Moore interviewed on passage of health care reform bill. "What is the best and worst of this bill?"

PART 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=446229&mesg_id=446229

PART 3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=446233&mesg_id=446233

[Skink]

1. Call it what it is, insurance regulation. Now let's work on opening up medicare as the PO.

[grantcart]

2. Love Michael agree with90% of what he is saying

But he doesn't get history quite right.

In this video he says that Lincoln and FDR went big and didn't do incremental. He gives examples saying "Well we didn't just go about freeing half of the slaves".

Yes Michael that's exactly what we did. The Emancipation Proclomation freed slaves in the rebellion states only. The border states, were for practical political considerations, not addressed until the 13th Ammendment was passed and became law.

FDR went big on many things but he didn't integrate the Armed Forces despite Eleanor's strong lobbying and he imprisond thousands of innocent Japanese migrants and Japanese-Americans.

But I am glad that we are all on board for the public option and then single payer.

[liberation]

4. I don't think I agree with your critique

The Emancipation Proclamation, and plenty of FDR's programs were rather bold in both depth and breath in the context of their times. So if we put the current state of health care reform under its honest context, this legislation is nowhere near being as decisive nor as agressive as the examples of Lincoln with slavery, and FDR with the new deal and the involvement of the USA in WWII.

Before sunday, our health care system was a good 4 or 5 decades behind in providing care of our population when compared to almost every other health care approach in the industrialized world. After Sunday, we are maybe five years closer. Woopie Dooo! Furthermore, the Dems have no provided an actual roadmap of where they intend to carry the ultimate logical conclusion of this reform: are we going to have just a for=profit system based on insurance? Or are we going to actually move towards more civilized approaches like single-payer, or in a "when pigs fly" wishful sanction a *gasp* universal *gasp* health care system (let me wash the socialism off my fingers for having had the temerity of typing that while on American soil)?

[grantcart]

8. The Emancipation Proclamation is only the document that it is because of the

13th ammendment. Also Lincoln kept the Emancipation procomation in his desk for a year after he made the decision because he was waiting for the correct political climate to release it.


MM's statement that "Lincoln" did it in one big step and we didn't just go free half of the slaves" is historically wrong. It proves the point that, like Canada, our movement to single payer is going to be a series of steps and not one big step.

[Mithreal]

5. Many of us, most of the American people were already on board.

"But I am glad that we are all on board for the public option and then single payer."

Can you please explain what you mean. I am a lil wary of folks boarding the populist ship after it already set sail.

Who is we? Who wasn't on board until now? I know the President wasn't so what you wrote is confusing me.

[truedelphi]

7. The border states soon found out, any time that there

Was serious fighting inside their terrain, that the slaves went off with the troops in many cases.

And the troops were quite happy to have them, as reward for the troop intel and geography mapping information that the slaves provided (usually at some risk to their own necks.)

[Joey Kidd]

3. I like Mike !

:)

[Mithreal]

6. Listening to Blitzer is painful. I am sure he is a wonderful guy, but he's a bore and yawn.