Army Officer Joins Birthers, Defies Obama's Orders, Calls Them Illegal Since He's Not "Natural Born"

[Amerigo Vespucci]

Run time: 03:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea9JVnck_-E   Posted on YouTube: March 30, 2010 By YouTube Member: apfinc Views on YouTube: 10296   Posted on DU: April 01, 2010 By DU Member: Amerigo Vespucci Views on DU: 3845

 
I say give this fucking idiot everything he wants and more, beginning with that court martial. He wants to be a martyr, then let him be one.

:rant:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/01/terry-lakin-army-birther_n_521549.html

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, an Army physician, has refused to obey any orders from his commanding officers -- including President Obama -- until Obama produces his birth certificate.

"Any reasonable person looking critically at the evidence currently in the public domain would have questions about President Obama's claim to be a natural born citizen," Lakin says in the below video released the right-wing American Patriot Foundation. "I will disobey my orders to deploy because I, and I believe all servicemen and women and the American people, deserve the truth about President Obama's constitutional eligibility to the office of the presidency and the commander in chief."

Lakin says this marks the first time during his 18 years in the Army that he has chosen to disobey "what I believe are illegal orders." Evidently he didn't feel the need to personally verify the citizenship of his three previous commanders-in-chief.

[TheDebbieDee]

1. I live in Kansas City, about a 45-minute ride from Leavenworth, KS.

He'll be headed my way soon, I'm sure!

[Bitwit1234]

40. TREASON, no if's and's or but's.

He could get the firing squad.

[zipplewrath]

2. Corporal New

This guy should really look up the history of this kinda crap. It isn't good.

[fascisthunter]

3. seditious traitor

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[AlbertCat]

5. beginning with that court martial.

I would begin by transferring him to the worst and most obscure place they can. No courtmartial... no martyrdom.... just paper pushing in cold harsh obscurity.

If he "won't deploy"...then collect his ass and drop him off into obscurity.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

7. The freeps love this guy...

...they're laying out all kinds of imaginary scenarios about how he could set up practice in the "private sector."

Private sector of WHAT? His prison cell?

:rofl:

[Golden Raisin]

10. He'd be perfect for Blackwater/Xe

right after the court martial.

[florida08]

6. oh lordy

They're coming to take me away haha they're coming to take me away hoho

[HopeHoops]

46. Dr. Demento - mid 70's!

[Captain Hilts]

8. He's just bucking for a discharge and some TV time. nt

[Lateedee]

9. Has he been under a rock?

Exactly how many times does Obama need to produce his birth certificate? He would never have been allowed to run for the office of President of The United States if his paperwork wasn't in order to begin with. Does he seriously think that Dubya won either election? Heck he stole both of them.. once by chads in Florida where his brother was head honcho and once in Ohio by messing with the vote machines. Also the Bush family has ties in Ohio from long ago, check out their family history.

Personally I'd like to see him get a dishonorable discharge for going against his commanding officer. What exactly is he going to do when the paperwork is produced again? Will he then apologize to his president?
Bet not, he'll probably find another way to shirk his responsibility. Slacker!!

[CLANG]

19. I don't remember this guy insisting to persoanlly see Dumbyas "original" birth certificate!

TREASON. Eat it, motherfucker.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. And after he gets his DD, he'd be lucky to get work as a ship's

physician on an Alaska cruise liner. What reputable organization will hire him?

[JoeyT]

31. Fox News.

They don't fit the "reputable" part, but I bet they'd still hire him.

[NAO]

35. Yes, FOX would hire him as a "military consultant", and a "constitutional expert/martyr"

Yes, FOX would hire him as a "military consultant", and a "constitutional expert/martyr"

[pattmarty]

43. Bingo!!! All the fucking losers end up at Fox "news". Can we get a..........

.............List? Tucker "motherfucker" Carlson, Gretchen "ugly as shit" Carlson, Sean "shitbag" Hannity, Geraldo "ass kisser" Riviera, Glen "???????" Beck, Bill "working class" O'reilly, Neil "I'm gonna die soon" Cavuto, Bill "I sold my soul" Hemmer, Megyn "slut, can't remember my last name" Kelly-Kendall, and finally Sarah "I quit" Palin. Did I forget any of the Fox hall of shame??? You want to end this shit that's going on around the country now? Drop a fucking "bunker buster" on that shithole Fox "news" bldg in NYC.

[classysassy]

45. You forgot the chipmunk

[niceypoo]

11. If they chicken out and DON'T court martial this guy

...it will set a very bad precedent and make Obama look very weak.

[theoldman]

12. What kind of advise he is getting from his fellow officers?

Having spent many years in the military I would guess that they think he is a nut case. I predict that they will lock him up for a few years.

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[Joey Liberal]

14. Take his pay, take his rank, and jail him

Nuff ced.

[CLANG]

21. Don't foget his pension.

And see how he does in private practice with TREASON on his record!

[shotten99]

15. @ 18 years..what a stupid point to careless end a career...

[ET Awful]

16. Send his ass to Leavenworth. Deriliction of Duty, Refusal to Obey a Lawful Order,

Insubordination, Sedition, and Incitement to Sedition of his subordinates.

Shouldn't be too hard to do.

[zeemike]

20. They don't send officers to prison for disobeying an order.

They make them retire.

[Ganja Ninja]

25. Time to start a new trend. n/t

[ET Awful]

28. What they do in peace time is very different than war time, ESPECIALLY

if their actions incite sedition and insubordination among their subordinates.

[CLANG]

17. He's a coward, that's all. He doesn't want to go back to Afganistan.

[lumpy]

37. Not only that. His politics are getting in the way of his career

ambitions. Wonder who's backing his decision besides the TeaRabble. If he didn't have that Colonel after his name, he'd be in the block right now. I have known plenty of Republican people who served during WW2 who respected FDR as their CommanderIC and never would have dreamed of defying their leader. Disgusting that he would go against the oaths he swore to uphold. At any rate, I bet he is a lousy physician who could never have made it in private practice.

[MarkDavid]

18. An Officer??????

Sorry. I have always come to this web site in the past to read the other side of the story. I am a liberal conservative ( figure it out yourselves what this means). You need both sides to reach a conclusion. However, this video really P****ed me off. For one thing, unless the oath has changed in the last couple of years, a soldier in the military has the first responsibility to support and defend the Constitution, second is to obey the the President i.e. The President elected by the people and then "lawful" orders of those appointed above me . If I was to meet this 'Person' I would probably sucker punch him.

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. Exactly. He's not disobeying the C in C - he is disobeying his direct superiors,

and only if his refusal is kicked upstairs will it EVER reach the C in C. His refusal to obey is of his commanding officer's order, and his own CO has authority to deal with it.

The weird right seems to think the C in C is some kind of super-general, but he really has little to do with strategy and nothing to do with tactics - what units are to be deployed is NOT in his purview. You'd think a soldier of 18 years would know that.

If it goes to court-martial, I guarantee the Pres will NOT be called to testify.

[Ganja Ninja]

23. He deserves a few years in the brig and a dishonerable discharge.

All because of a man's skin color.:eyes:
They've never needed any more proof than what Obama has provided for any other president so why this one? It's because he's black. This racist prick needs to sit in the slammer for the next 20 years. :grr:

[Zambero]

24. The military has always had a few bad apples in the ranks

As always, they need to be weeded out as quickly as they surface. Next!

[CLANG]

26. If you listen carefully to his argument

It is totally full of holes. This guy doesn't seem too bright for a physician. I think he's just another racist.

[CLANG]

29. I posted on a different youtube video

in response to a nitwit saying he needs to see his birth certificate:

#
raaa716 @borderraven No you don't, you need to get a life. This guy will be dishonorably discharged, lose his pension, probably end up in Leavenworth for Incitement to sedition, and will never be able to work as a physician again in private practice, because no decent person will ever hire him or see him. And it will serve him right. He's obviously a racist and a coward. 1 minute ago

[ellenfl]

30. you think orly is filing suit for this guy like she did before?

this is at least the second military guy to do this. orly must have some twat! (sorry)

ellen fl

[The Wizard]

32. American Patriot Foundation

Anyone labeling themselves patriot and pulling a stunt like this is a traitor and should be tried and punished in accordance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice. He'd start licking the President's feet when they hand him the blindfold and cigarette.
Patriot is the Nazi code word for bigot.
Using Nazi is not over the line in discussing these scumbags. There's no nice way to say Nazi or scumbag. In fact, they sound perfect together.

[NAO]

33. Can this guy produce his "original" birth certificate?

Not an official copy, but the original. Am I correct in my guess that this is what the "birthers" are asking for? Otherwise, they would have been satisfied with the copies that have been supplied. Didn't Obama have to supply a copy of his birth certificate to get a drivers license? And his passport - before he was even a senator?

How many people could supply their original birth certificate? I could not. I know how to get copies, but the one signed in ink by the physician who delivered me? Could this guy supply that document?

[TatonkaJames]

34. Nothing new here

Just your old school racism. He may want to explain it away as something he
believes in but when you come down to it, just like the Tea-Heads, they are
uneducated dolts who are in this simply because they hate black people and especially
a black man doing better than the clown we had to endure for 8 years.
Let him rot in prison.

[unblock]

36. if he were really "natural-born", he'd be WHITE, see?

:sarcasm:

[Amerigo Vespucci]

38. Those "code words" are the glue that holds the Republican party together

It's pretty clear what's being said. But the GOP playbook includes three simple steps:

1). Speak in "code"

2). Wait for the backlash

3). Deny to media that you were saying what you were really saying in code, and say it again...immediately...in code.

If I've seen that played out once, I've seen it 1000 times.

:patriot:

[Drunken Irishman]

39. Give him to the terrorists as a pin cushion.

[GreenTea]

41. He's just another republican racist-using a bullshit excuse for his hatred, racism & sick hang-ups!

[pattmarty]

42. Piece of shit. Can you spell DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE???

[DWilliamsamh]

44. He wants a Court Martial. Obliiiige him. (N/T)

[Toasterlad]

47. Enjoy Jail, Fucktard!

[fob]

48. We should "support" this idea and use it to demand ALL soldiers

come home since they can't possibly be left in a situation where they're not sure if they should/could/can follow an order, right?

Let's make this a-hole a poster boy for ending the whole damn war. See how fast these 'patriots' whistle a different tune.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

49. Whenever I see a right-winger leading off with the phrases like "any reasonable person"-

I'm reminded of a paper I wrote while I was in college- The subject was the use of persuasive techniques in propaganda. The model I used in the paper was the Journal of Historical Review- a right-wing revisionist publication whose primary purpose is to deny the Holocaust. The first sentence on the first page of their website was as follows: "Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax."

Right-wingers seem to love leading off with phrases such as these- the implication being that if you don't agree with them you must not be reasonable/intelligent/open-minded.

[Plucketeer]

50. Ta-Ta Terry!

Maybe an insanity defense will help, but I'm hoping not.

[DFW]

51. Lett him see if Faux is running their own version of "free Huey" a year after he is put away

He's be celebrated by the freepers for as long as Faux wants to play him up, and the for the rest of his
10 years sentence, he'll rot, forgotten in Leavenworth, wondering why all his enthusiastic followers have
moved on to Sarah Palin's trial for tax evasion, or whatever their newest cause is.

[SkyDaddy7]

52. The truth is...

He does not want to go back to Afghanistan! So, he has adopted a myth that he knows is BULLSHIT so that he will be looked at as a hero by Tea Baggers.

Basically, the guy is weak ass liar!

[olegramps]

53. He is only one nitwit out of ten of thousands that serve faithfully.

[MrModerate]

54. He used the phrase "any reasonable person" in reference to himself . . .

Thus proving he's not. Court martial the goniff and be done with it.

[murdoch]

55. Lieutenant Colonel

Lieutenant Colonel seems to be the top rank someone can get and be a complete screwball like this. I don't know why this is. It is kind of like the military doesn't pay much attention until someone wants to be a Colonel. Then they look at him/her and say, "Oh no, not this nutcase".

You get screwups from Lt. Colonel's that you never get from higher ranked officers. Custer's Last Stand. Oliver North. I guess when the number of people you're over goes from hundreds to thousands, they give you a good, hard look.

Another crazy Lieutenant Colonel!

[Toasterlad]

56. You Didn't Hear About the US General Who Claimed That the Dutch Were Massacred

because they had gay soldiers?

Military idiocy is not confined to one rank.

[szatmar666]

57. LEFT & RIGHT noise machine are both PATHETIC!

This would have been put to rest the day it appeared if the american people were informed of the law.

CITIZENSHIP IS NOT DECIDED BY A MAGIC PIECE OF PAPER OR A PLACE OF BIRTH!

It's decided by the LAW! So even if someone can't produce his/her papers, or was born in a different country, believe it or not, can be eligible for natural born status. The law governing Obama's eligibility in particular is http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9679.html">INA 301 G:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;

[patrick t. cakes]

58. dooooooooooosh!