Arizona Immigration Law-The Majority of Americans Agree with the New Law.

[politic_vic]

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[Great Harry]

1. The majority of Americans agree...

... that Jan Brewer should beautify America by getting a face lift.

[Mari333]

5. being an old woman is a wonderful thing..its her hatred thats ugly, not her face

[eagertolearn]

6. Well Said!

[Cleita]

15. And it shows in her face. n/t

[athenasatanjesus]

2. Well the majority of americans that answer polls....

Seriously ive yet to be asked a single question from a pollster who takes these things?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

3. There are enough professional polls going on this...there is consdierable support for AZ on this

[bridgit]

9. By the time that data is captured its already too late - republicans participate in polls...

in sufficient numbers to move opinion & policy, in too many cases because: Dems simply can't be bothered, Lib/Pros even less so till it effects them directly; then there's a great flailing of arms & gnashing of teeth - take a look at some of the opinions here at DU about national service, patriotism, or the 'do not call' list - they/we/you/me can't be bothered. What floods into *that* vacuum are republican tea-bags

[Mari333]

4. they forget to mention that a majority of americans were also against bi racial marriage

that changed.

the good german people looked the other way when the jews were ostracized, too.

[BumRushDaShow]

7. As long as members of that "majority" are not under assault

where "majority" = "a collection of self-defined entities", then collectively, they would support anything that places them in a position of perceived "safety" from being oppressed or disrupted in their daily activities. However if one among that collective finds that it's "their turn" to be under assault and their former supporters turn on them, then their perspective would naturally change. But guess what? It's too late.

Tag. You're it. And then you come whining to the very organizations that you tried to disparage or even shut down.

The civil rights movement, throughout the history of this nation, continually reveals this pattern... where groups tend to be against the need for such until their turn arrives to feel the wrath of a reconfigured coalition that decides to abuse them.

The lack of a universal collective empathy and denial of group superiority is breathtaking.

[happygoluckytoyou]

8. ARIZONA - Putting the AZ in NAZI.... putting the AZ in ZANY... and keeping 'bama from the bottom !

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[judesedit]

11. I don't believe it. A third of the country is non-white to begin with. And many "white" skinned

are actually European,Scandinavian,Australian, etc. Many of whom I'm sure disagree with this illegal violation of people's privacy rights in this country. I'm white and I disagree and I'm sure there are many more like me. These articles keep being printed to ensure the general American buys into it. IT'S MORE BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA...again.

THIS IS A SMOKESCREEN put out there SO THE PEOPLE WON'T REALIZE THE REAL PROBLEM is the corporations moving their companies OUT of the country so they don't have to pay their fair share of taxes, can hire children, pay their workers less, give them no health care, destroy that countries environment with no reprisal, and leave this country with no manufacturing, industrial, computer programming, information technology, data-entry, payroll and processing, even service industry, and now consulting and many white-collar jobs. Wake up to the facts, people. When is the last time you called a company and had an American borne person answer? Be honest. ASK THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE THE JOBS? There are none until loyal, patriotic Americans open businesses and keep their companies in this country.

It's pretty bad when the people are that brain washed by their own government leaders that they can't see the forest for the trees. The only reason the medical industry flourishes here is that Americans keep getting sicker and sicker from the unethical dispensing of toxic pharmaceuticals, the amount of chemicals and pesticides going into and on our food intentionally, and into our water, air, and soil unintentionally due to waste product. Many substances, such as rocket fuel, cannot be disposed of and are being found in newborns. If you will do your own research, you can find the truth. But you have to make an effort to look. Don't just buy into the bullshit you're being fed by huge corporate lobbyists that want to keep fattening their own pockets at YOUR expense.

[blue97keet]

12. Maybe corporations just love this gushy wushy law as a nebulous

distraction from workplace enforcement.

[protocol rv]

21. They like cheap labor

The American elites like cheap labor. I'm not surprised the majority of Americans are oppposed to the illegal immigrants.

[politic_vic]

26. Corporations do like cheap labor.

Two years ago Arizona passed a law that fined "Employers" for hiring illegal workers. A large fine for every illegal worker and if they got caught a second time they lost their business license altogether. It worked really well, most illegals went to other states for work. This “New Law” is political, not practical.

Here's a video from two years ago showing pissed off business owners. One guy (Rep. Russell Pearse) actually wants illegals to come from Mexico, do some work, pay the taxes and go back when the work is done because he doesn't want to pay American wages. And this guy helped write the new law just signed in to law. Make up your mind Arizona!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es3hq0XM-cw&feature=related

[Phlem]

13. Absolute

Bullshit.

-p

[Swede Atlanta]

14. This goes deeper than the polling suggests.....

I think if you actually dug a little deeper into people's opinions about this you would find that many who initially claim they support the AZ legislation actually disagree with the approach. I think what the poll uncovers (something no one should be surprised at) is the general agreement in this country that our immigration policies and enforcement are bankrupt.

I for one am in complete agreement that anyone who violates our laws by crossing the border illegally should be subject to arrest and deportation. I have zero sympathy for families that end up being split because children are born here but one or more parents entered the country illegally. Call me cruel but in reality only when people realize we will enforce our laws will they stop breaking our laws. The parent(s) should have considered the consequences of pro-creating here when one or both of them are here illegally.

I am totally opposed to any expedited path to citizenship for those who have entered the country illegally. If someone is here illegally they need to be deported and they can apply for lawful admission from their home country.

I fully support the concept of a guest worker program under which we know who these workers are, have performed background checks and track their whereabouts. This program could be dovetailed with the normal green card path to citizenship in some manner but no freebies.

I also fully support strict civil and criminal penalties for businesses that employ undocumented workers. There should be no dispute about this. If employers genuinely attempt to find documented workers and are unable to fill their positions then a guest worker program could be used to fill the gap(s). But jobs need to be made available to people that are lawfully within our borders.

[Cleita]

16. The majority of Americans? I doubt it unless all they polled were

white Americans. I mean Arizona has been boycotted by five major American cities the last I heard and already they are taking an economic hit on this. I would venture that many Arizonans don't go for these laws either but will be the economic victims of them.

[protocol rv]

20. But the lower working class benefits if the illegal aliens are deported

My friend, I don't know where they teach market economics in the USA, but the effect is positive for the working class if the illegal aliens are deported. This is a simple issue of supply-demand equilibrium theory. Therefore, I would guess the majority of the US working class, of all colors, if they have a working brain and are somewhat educated, will understand the illegal aliens are their class' enemies. The working class benefits if there is a reduction in the supply of labor, this is easy to understand.

And by the way, I am not American, I am of mixed blood, part European, part Lebanese, and part Native American. :-)

[Cleita]

22. What's positive for the working class is not busting our unions and allowing

employers to intimidate people who would bring unions in the workplace with is where the free choice act would be in place. There would be no undocumented workers in an all union shop. Blaming the second poorest people in the world for our economic hardships is not humane. When there was plenty of union labor in the USA, they lifted the wages even of non-union workers because those employers had to compete for workers with the unionized employers. We need to get rid of Taft Hartley and we need to get our jobs back here in our country by dumping the NAFTA agreements. Blaming poor Mexicans and others for trying to feed their children because their corrupt government won't do what needs to be done is really stupid. I guess you would prefer that all of us become like the poor Mexicans because that is what is happening and it's not the poor Mexican's fault but the fat cat corporations who encourage cheap labor.

[spicegal]

17. Seriously, the fact that a majority of Americans agree doesn't make it right or

mean it's the right thing to do. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people like Chuck Todd cite polls showing that a majority of Americans think this country is headed in the wrong direction. What the hell does that mean?!? Liberals are unhappy because Obama is too right leaning. The righties don't care what Obama does, they hate him no matter what. Well, there's your majority. How are we going in the wrong direction? Is it really asking too much to expect some specifics? How much more generalized and meaningless could you possibly get, and why does no one ever challenge that kind of nonsense?

[protocol rv]

19. I thought illegal aliens are, by definition, illegal?

I'm not American, but it seems to me there is a lot of confusion in your minds? if the illegal aliens are by definition, in the US agaisnt the law, then what's the big problem? You should ask people to show they are in the US legally, and if they can't show it, then they should be arrested and deported. This is what most countries do.

I am waiting for a visa to go to the USA, and I don't have a problem waiting. I do have a problem if my place in the line is taken by a "line jumper". Also, I suppose you may not have thought about the consequences, when the USA allows unskilled labor to enter, it puts pressure on the market for unskilled labor - which means it is the American lower working class and the legal immigrants who are hurt by this lawlessness you seem to support.

I rest my case. :-)

[ericinne]

24. It's not the illegals

It's not the illegals that are the issue. Sure a majority of Americans believe the illegal immigrants need to be dealt with, the problem is the approach... RACIAL PROFILING. Too many LEGAL, AMERICAN BORN, citizens would be subjected to racial profiling.

[kuroman992]

18. didn't they amend the law?

I am very glad they amended it to prohibit racial profiling specifically. so now cops cant stop people for looking a certain way or just being mexican.
so why wouldnt most americans support it now that they amended it.lol.
they should have taken the poll beforehand . wonder what the results would be then?
i am just glad that they realized the need to amend it. at least they did that and mexican americans have a case if a cop stops them for simply being mexican.
maybe now the demorats in arizona dont have to suffer from these boycotts and racial profiling is not in the bill

[Swede Atlanta]

23. They did amend the law......

Arguably to overcome complaints that the law would necessarily lead to racial profiling.

But even if the law prohibits racial profiling there will be profiling. Who will the police be stopping and asking for papers? I doubt they are going to stop and ask a blue-eyed, blond Dutch woman in a bikini to show she is here legally whereas they will stop a dark-skinned man who is dressed as a day laborer.

I am opposed to individual states attempting to pre-empt federal constitutional power with regard to immigration matters. We need comprehensive immigration reform that includes, among other things, that all non-citizens pass through outbound immigration to identify people who are leaving the country without ever having had legal permission to be here or who have overstayed their visas or permissions under the Visa Waiver Program.

We must get control of our borders and make those who would come here understand that violation of our laws will have consequences. I would prefer that anyone caught here illegally is permanently barred from ever entering the country or seeking legal status. Until there are consequences people will continue to violate our laws.

[Dave Caputo]

25. Sarah Palin and Shakira Weigh In

I really liked this blog post about Sarah Palin going to Arizona to make a fuss. Make sure to visit the link about Polar Bears, it's hilarious...

There's a nice video of Shakira discussing the issue too.