Young Turks: Autistic Student Charged As Terrorist For Drawing!!!

[CherylK]

Run time: 04:56 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA-xER60VFA   Posted on YouTube: May 15, 2010 By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks Views on YouTube: 5474   Posted on DU: May 17, 2010 By DU Member: CherylK Views on DU: 1373

 
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/autistic-georgia-boy-shane-finn-faces-felony-charges-for-stick-figure-drawing/19478384

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2. Please be specific...

Exactly which part of her opinion did you disagree with or find to be unintelligent?

Also: the host's name is Cenk Uygur, not Cenck.

[Cronus Protagonist]

3. Her thesis was clearly false

Simple. I didn't think I'd need to qualify that since it's glaringly obvious.

[20score]

5. If you make a rude and on the face of it, ridiculous statement, etiquette says

you should back it up.

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12. Amazing...

Have you been making signs for the teabaggers?

Here is an acronym for you: UTFSC!

If this is not "...obvius (sic)", this acronym is related to RTFM.

[Capitalocracy]

14. That's even more of a broad generalization than she made

"Required to do so by the school boards"? How do you know that? In my experience, zero tolerance policies can be instituted at any level, school principal, administrator, school board, wherever. Sure, maybe she shouldn't necessarily include "teachers" in that statement, but it's not like she made a written statement or something, this is a talk show, and I'd like to see you do better.

It's actually a very good theory. It's a little more complex than "so they don't have to think", but thinking is dangerous. If you think about how to deal with a touchy situation rather than just following some draconian rule written down and handed to you by your superior, you open yourself up to criticism and can't just say "I'm following orders". That's why a lot of school principals (not just school boards) institute zero tolerance policies, so they don't open themselves up to criticism by making judgment calls on a case by case basis. And when it comes down to it, making those judgment calls is part of their job. So yes, when they institute zero tolerance policies, they're trying to get out of doing their job.

[ceveritt]

15. cronus

Oddly, no one has pointed this out.

Cronus, your sexism is simply off the dial. When you use words such as "chick," and "vapid pair of tits," it becomes pretty obvious even to the dimmest among us that you have a serious problem with and relating to women.

Is this sort of description OK on DU?

Yeah, you're trying very hard to be rude. And it undercuts every one of your arguments.

[Capitalocracy]

16. I kind of thought it went without saying

chick I didn't even notice and it didn't bother me at all (maybe that's because I live in Argentina and people say "chica" or "chico", and there's nothing sexist about it) but vapid pair of tits is a huge misogynistic red flag.

[Cronus Protagonist]

20. Naw, it's not

That's the reason she's there. To get guys to watch. She's surely not there for her smarts. Ever seen an old or ugly woman in broadcasting? No, you haven't. I figure at least she should be smart enough not to make wild, unsupported and erroneous statements while we bask in the image of her breasts.

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17. The smarter you try sound (while making unbelievably stupid statements) the dimmer you come off.

The zero tolerance laws are not written in stone and the teacher, principal and superintendent have great degrees of latitude. Anyone defending these laws or the non-thinking scum who enforce them, should turn thinking peoples stomachs.
Just sayn'

These laws really infuriate me. Can't help being angry about them.

[mlevans]

6. I really have to wonder

Were we watching the same video clip?

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9. hahaha

You make me laugh out loud. Lucky, I wasn't drinking when I saw that post. "beneath exposition" lol

:toast: :toast:

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11. Please Be Specific...

Prior to 0:25 in the video, she only makes assertions as to the content of the current video report. Her comments from index 3:14 to index 3:23 seem unlikely to be controversial. From 3:57 to 4:31, she is stating her opinion that zero-tolerance policies eliminate the use of discretion and judgment on the part of administrators and teachers.

It seems that the use of hyperbole to express an opinion about this extreme situation is that to which you object. Is this correct?

I find it interesting that a person who did not spell Cenk correctly and who did not use the proper tense to express a (supposedly) factual statement would summarily judge someone else as being a "...dumb chick...." Beyond this, it is interesting that some people can only offer generalities to back up their claims; apparently these individuals cannot be specific or cannot support their own arguments.

C'est l'internet!

[Althaia]

4. The key words were 'charter school'..

...and 'mental capacity of a 3rd grader.' I don't know what is required of charter schools in that state. However, I suspect that charter school had to take him unless they had a good reason not to.. something like a 'terroristic threat'. Charter schools' primary motive is high test scores and the resulting money from the feds. Kids like that boy lower school-average test scores, so they don't want him. If they are legally forced to take him, they will devise a way to drop him.

[sulphurdunn]

7. Repeat after me.

Charter school, charter school, charter school. Now someone please tell that dipshit Cenk and his girl friend that if they really are outraged about teachers beating the crap out of kids and charging special needs students with terrorism that they need to research the charter school movement, the hedge fund,venture philanthopist, test taking prison movement for peasants and the billionaire foundations that bankroll it. Oh yea, this poor kids mom elected to put him in this brave new world school. I wonder what she has to say about that now.

[Capitalocracy]

13. By "tribunal", do they mean "military tribunal"?

NOW do you see how ridiculous that is?

K&R

[Devil_Fish]

18. off to gitmo with him. N/T

[Cowpunk]

19. How anyone manages to stay sane in today's culture is a mystery to me.

Stories like this really piss me off. Kids today are bombarded by messages that totally contradict each other from their parents, school, TV, movies, religion, and their peers. Their roll models often epitomize these contradictions(do as I say, not as I do). It's no wonder that so many kids are on medication, be it self-administered or prescribed. Those who aren't exceptionally well-balanced don't really stand a chance.

The Buzzcocks explained it well:


"A Different Kind Of Tension"

Wait here - Go there
Come in - Stay out
Be yourself - Be someone else
Obey the law - Break the law

Be ambitious - Be modest
Plan ahead - Be spontaneous
Decide for yourself - Listen to others
Save money - Spend money

Be good - Be evil
Be wise - Be foolish
Be safe - Be dangerous
Be satisfied - Be envious
Be honest - Be deceitful
Be faithful - Be perfidious
Be sane - Be mad
Be strong - Be weak
Be enigmatic - Be plain
Be aggressive - Be peaceful
Be brave - Be timid
Be humane - Be cruel
Be critical - Be appreciative
Be temperamental - Calm
Be sad - Be happy
Be normal - Be unusual

Stop - Go
Live - Die
Yes - No
Rebel - Submit
Right - Wrong
Sit down - Stand up
Create - Destroy
Accept - Reject
Talk - Silence
Speed up - Slow down
This way - That way
Right - Left
Present - Absent
Open - Closed
Entrance - Exit
Believe - Doubt

Truth - Lies
Escape - Meet
Love - Hate
Thank you - Flunk
Clarify - Pollute
Simple - Complex
Nothing - Something
Stop - Go
Live - Die
Yes - No
Rebel - Submit
Right - Wrong
Sit down - Stand up
Create - Destroy
Accept - Reject
Talk - Silence