'If Cheney Had Offered This Deal, Indictments Would Already Be Down'

[tomm2thumbs]

Run time: 03:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqP9EFkwzPs   Posted on YouTube: May 24, 2010 By YouTube Member: goprapidresponse Views on YouTube: 6   Posted on DU: May 24, 2010 By DU Member: tomm2thumbs Views on DU: 2333

 

Discussions this morning on Joe Sestak job offer which was confirmed again and again by Sestak on the Sunday morning shows this weekend. Joe Scarborough says that if what Sestak says is true, then a Federal crime has been committed.

Frankly, if it did happen, would it be any surprise if Rahm was the one who initiated the alleged 'offer'. However, watching Gibbs squirm on the Sunday talk shows was indication enough o me that someone may have crossed a line here, bigtime.

Whether it rises to the level of attempting to influence a Federal election remains to be seen.

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I personally don't think Obama had anything to do with it, but it would not surprise me if Rahm did. There doesn't seem to be a denial from Gibbs on this subject.

[Name removed]

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[Tempest]

2. Until Sestak gives out a name and we hear from that person

I'm skeptical about his claim.

[Lil Missy]

3. Oh bullshit. Cheney did far more and worse that never made the news at all.

[bulloney]

16. Did I miss something? Did Cheney suddenly became a lightning rod for indictments?

That guy could have raped a dozen women on national TV and the MSM gerbils would have concurred with him that it was done for our national security.

[Ozymanithrax]

4. Yes, there is a strong history of indicting Cheney for his violations...not. n/t

[Cosmocat]

11. Cause, you know, Cheney has been indicted for ???

The scumbag outed a god darned undercover CIA agent ...

But, Morning Scum spent years excusing it ...

[Gidney N Cloyd]

5. Can someone explain to me exactly why what the White House is accused of is illegal?

On edit:
To clarify, it just seems to me like leaders of a party should be able to exert some influence on who runs in their primaries, encouraging who they feel are the best or strongest, even up to doing a little career path horse trading.

[KansDem]

6. Yes, and I'm baffled too...

What happened? :shrug:

I hope to read an explanation as well...

[alc]

10. using federal resources (a job) to exert the party influence

is the problem. It's certainly proper for the White House to influence who runs in the primaries and to campaign for them. But there is supposed to be a clear boundary between political work and official business (can't share staff, lawyers, send campaign mail on official stationary, etc). Using an aspect of your job (e.g. picking the secretary of the navy) to influence the party candidate steps over that boundary. Also, picking the sec of the navy based on party politics would show potential negligence (it should go to the best candidate with respect to the job, not based on what's best for the party.)

I'd guess this happens all the time, and I don't think it's a big deal in this case. But I disagree that it's a complete non-issue. In this case it would have denied the option to the people of PA and ends up it would have denied them their top choice. In the big picture, if both parties started doing this as a rule to get their party-choice through the primaries, nobody would have much choice in the primaries and I think we need more choice, not less.

[Cosmocat]

12. I would like to see the language ...

that states specifically that this situation would be illegal ...

I don't see an issue with it, it is political horse trading, and has been going on from day one in some form or another ...

Not being able to share lawyers, staff, using office resources on campaigns is nothing like going to a PROSPECTIVE candidate and offering them a job ...

[jberryhill]

18. You are correct

Which is why you won't see an applicable statute cited or quoted.

[tomm2thumbs]

14. and in this case, providing a GOP party-switcher a job that a true Democrat was running for

that is my problem with the looks of this - especially since Sestak won and you are right, it would have literally put their top choice off the table with a johnny-come-lately GOP favorite of Bush

[jberryhill]

17. Please cite the statute. /nt

[JDPriestly]

19. Sestak would have made, would make a great Secretary of the Navy.

Can't think of a better person for that job. It's not like giving the FEMA job to that Brown guy who really wasn't qualified for it.

Positions like ambassador or Secretary of the Navy are awarded for political reasons all the time.


I don't understand what the fuss is about this. Are they suggesting the job was being offered as a bribe to Sestak if he didn't run? Doesn't change the fact that Sestak is very well qualified for the job. Doesn't change the fact that Sestak is the candidate for the Senate, not the Secretary of the Navy.

This is a bunch of hot air as is most of what Joe Scarborough airs.

[The Wizard]

7. Non story

junk news from Morning Joke.

[JohnnyK]

8. Maybe I'm outta line here, but...

... please don't post anymore vids from 'goprapidresponse' - we don't need to boost their views on YouTube.

To JS: Were indictments handed down during the no-bid contract investigations when Cheney's emails showed he did illegally help Halliburton get gov't contracts? When Libby's trial showed Cheney did orchestrate the outing of a CIA agent? For Cheney's role in the disinformation campaign to win Congressional and public support for the Iraq war? His institution of the torture program? It goes on and on, Joe. "If Cheney Had Offered This Deal, Indictments Would Already Be Down" - really?

[tomm2thumbs]

13. agreed & I apologized earlier but it disappeared when top thread disappeared

I did not notice the user name of youtube in lower case - and I do apologize for that

[silenttigersong]

9. Joe

hush,have you forgotten your little dead women found in your office scandal???????False equivalency!:spank:

[fascisthunter]

15. wrong, what would happen is your right wing fascist propaganda network

would spin shit in hopes of getting the fucking sociopathic criminal off the hook.

[florida08]

20. morning joke...lol

more feigned outrage from the propagandist Joe Blow. Like firing US attorneys because they wouldn't play by the Rove handbook of tag your out or risking the cover of a CIA agent isn't a federal offense. I agree it doesn't look good to the public,but these kind of things go on all the time. What in the world was Sestak thinking? Trying to prove you're not one of the insiders to get elected and hurt your own party is not savvy. Rahm should be fired. He has defamed the integrity of the president.