Arizona Protest March Against SB1070 (5-29-10)

[ArizonaLiberal]

Run time: 03:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqieCVFK6Y   Posted on YouTube: May 29, 2010 By YouTube Member: SantiagoJJJr Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 29, 2010 By DU Member: ArizonaLiberal Views on DU: 1635

 
Early video of Arizona protest march agaist SB1070.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

1. Thx for posting. Like the song! n/t

[AsahinaKimi]

2. Good turn out

I hope it gets a lot of press. Thanks for posting.

[Jumping John]

3. Protest Marches are another

sham that makes people think that their voices make a difference with the government. I mean look at all the people who protested against the conflict in Vietnam. All that protesting got was National Guard goons following orders to fire upon their own people resulting in murders of innocent people in cold blood - all with impunity.

God bless America
Land of the freeeee........

[jackmccrack]

4. id rather do something than nothing dude

protests and boycotts do work. but with attitudes like that, thats why the status quo thrives.
maybe you should change yourself and that way of thinking. after all, what do you propose we do?

[Jumping John]

5. Oh go on and hold your marches and chant your agenda. I am not saying that people should not hold

protests. I am just saying that governments do not care what a bunch of people marching around with signs have to say.

And most protests in this country are quashed by police goons with no respect for your freedoms. I think I have seen more protests that were not productive than any that were.

And you should drop the attitude dood.

[unapatriciated]

6. You Think the Protest against Vietnam did nothing?

Kent State was a tragedy that opened many eyes and voices to put an end to that war.
I marched then and I still march now. Maybe you should drop your attitude.
You didn't need to post on this thread and minimize what those that are marching, might accomplish.

http://wagingnonviolence.org/2010/05/kent-state-shooting-sped-end-of-vietnam-war/

The heart-rending snapshot of 14-year-old runaway Mary Ann Vecchio, screaming in anguish, was taken by student photographer John Filo. It would help mobilise some four million outraged students in the nation’s first and only nationwide student strike, just days after the killings.

“That clearly had a powerful impact on congress, they started seriously to end the war in Vietnam, they started to cut off the funding” said Alan Canfora, a survivor of the shootings, and an activist who wants Barack Obama, the US president, to open a new investigation into the events of that day.



and A Big K&R

[Jumping John]

7. Well you see the murders committed at Kent State was not a protest. It was

the result of a direct order to fire on innocent individuals causing death and wounding and the hearings that should have shown that the order to fire was given did not find the truth of that tragedy. It was only a few weeks ago that a lost tape recording surfaced that was refined enough to show that the order to fire was given to the National Guard.

I am sorry that you feel that blood of innocent people needs to be spilled at the hands of government goons before the congress begins to listen to the people. But the firing on these people by the God Almighty Goons that made up the OHIO NATIONAL GUARD was in no way a political protest by any of the people there who were traumatized or wounded or murdered. For it was indeed murder - Murder - MURDER - MURDER.

But of course your way of thinking is indeed the political way to spin murder in the USA. Surely you must agree that no protesters were killed and there was no need for the government goons to kill those innocent people. And I think most lying stinking scummy politicians in congress wanted to ignore the Kent State Murders.

[unapatriciated]

8. PLease don't put words in my mouth.

"I am sorry that you feel that blood of innocent people needs to be spilled at the hands of government goons before the congress begins to listen to the people."
They were indeed murdered because they were protesting. Your use of the word kill in place of murder is disingenuous, used to imply that I feel we need to die to be heard.
We need to speak out in unison and large numbers to be heard.

Thousands across the nation were protesting the escalation of the war with our involvement in Cambodia. Nixon had promised to end the war and instead escalated it.
We saw the carnage of war nightly on the news and with the "murders" at Kent (feel better?) many who were not involved joined us. I can't re-write history that is what happened and yes it is tragic.
Many have died through out history because they spoke out against injustice and laws were enacted to protect us because of their deaths or sacrifices

I will not agree to your word play and re-vision of history: "Surely you must agree that no protesters were killed"
They were protesting and yes they were murdered. We knew it then and fear did not silence us.

I will agree with this statement:
"there was no need for the government goons to kill those innocent people."

I'm sure you are not suggesting that we stay silent in fear of our government.
Fearing we might be murdered for speaking out against illegal wars or any injustice towards our fellow man.

Many laws and rights have become reality because we did not fear and spoke up. Do I need to list them for you?

[Jumping John]

9. I am saying that protest marches do little if any good. You are saying that if

people had not been murdered at Kent State then the congress would not have reacted, right? You are saying that the murders are what caused congress to begin thinking, right? You are saying that photos of the deaths of people were the catalyst, right?

[unapatriciated]

10. no I am not saying that, again you put words in my mouth

Yes this tragedy spurred congress to act sooner than later. They were paying attention to the many protesters and because of that Nixon called out the guards to silence us with fear.

You are quoting the article I posted regarding what happened at Kent State and ignoring our history regarding civil disobedience..

What I'm saying and you are not hearing, is that things do change because of those who stand up and protest against injustice.
You minimize what speaking out and protesting has done to change many laws that were wrong. You are stuck on this "We must die to be heard" meme.
Unfortunately this does happen but we should not stay silent out of fear.

Our History is filled with those willing to protest and how it changed many things:
Women's right to Vote
Civil Rights
Labor
and on and on.

They stood up and protested to change many laws that were wrong.

http://www.actupny.org/documents/CDdocuments/HistoryNV.html
"Power itself is not derived through violence, though in governmental form it is usually violent in nature. Governmental power is often maintained through oppression and the tacit compliance of the majority of the governed. Any significant withdrawal of that compliance will restrict or dissolve governmental control. Apathy in the face of injustice is a form of violence. Struggle and conflict are often necessary to correct injustice."

Too many became complacent after Vietnam and allowed a corporate take over of our government.

[Jumping John]

11. Well the Great God All Mighty Vietnam """""""War""""" had to end some time, I guess.

[unapatriciated]

13. still ignoring history and peaceful protest.

Vietnam is not the only time the people have used non-violent means to put an end to unjust policies or wars.

[Jumping John]

14. So go march and chant and believe it is working. I hope the gubment does not murder anyone.

[unapatriciated]

12. so how do you suggest we change unjust laws or actions by our government?

While you are contemplating this do a little research of the following:
Women's Rights - Iron Angels and Alice Paul
Civil Rights and MLK
Labor Movement and the power of strikes.

you seem to lack knowledge of our history

[Jumping John]

15. Unless you can out lobby the lobbyists.... For a lover of free speech you sure seem to have a

problem with me exercising mine. But I have met people who think that they are always right when their opinion is what validates their opinion.

[Jumping John]

16. Maybe we can prosecute the murderers of the babies at My Lai too if we get a march going.

[jillan]

17. Okay - you have made your POINT very clear. You are entitled to your own opinion, but so are others

[Jumping John]

19. I never asserted that others were not permitted to state whatever they wanted to.

[jillan]

18. Great video - thank you so much for posting!!

Did you go? It was HOT yesterday, you've got to hand it to these people for protesting in the hot sun.