Dem Says Give Surge More Time

[Hissyspit]

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Rep. Brian Baird, August 24, 2007 - CNN WOLF BLITZER

[rodeodance]

1. this is not looking good folks!

[anniebelle]

2. What a loser! You ever heard of this defect?n/t

[FormerDittoHead]

5. Is he one of the congressmen who belong to Boeing? (Washington State)?

I believe that Boeing has SOME kind of facility in every state in the country, allowing them to donate where ever they like, but Washington is Boeing HQ...

[ribrepin]

10. Actually Boeing headquarters are now in chicago

Boeing used to be a local company, but not any longer. This congressman is down in the southern part of the state...parts of which are very conservative. The congresspeople around Seattle are mostly democrats except for Dave Reichert who is pretty liberal for repub.

[JoeySoCal]

12. Former Rush Fan, I am fucking stoked on you.

I have tracked back and read some of your stuff, a highlight: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1454047&mesg_id=1457735

You are saying exactly what I am thinking and saying and trying to say ever louder, "Progressives, Liberals, Get the fucking message right. You are on the side of the facts and morality, but if you can't be effective in the message and argument, then it is all for not. This world needs justice, but demands competence. You, Former Rush Fan, and I can be the Frank Luntz, but with integrity, for the Progressives.

If progressives had enough balls and competence to go toe-to-toe, point for point, pull no punches on the jerkoff leaders of these wingnutters, yet have mercy on the mislead by the leaving them 'an out' with dignity as you have articulated well, this world would be a much brighter place.

I'll be watching you, Former.

[FormerDittoHead]

15. You are an intelligent and perceptive individual. ;-) n/t

[MindMatter]

13. Well, technically

their HQ is in Chicago. But your point still stands. It is functionally in Washington State. A lot of jobs there depend on war permanently and aggressively wages in as many places by as many nations as possible.

Just curious, does this congressman have big Boeing factories in his district?

[ribrepin]

14. No he does not have big Boeing plants in his district

The big Boeing plants around here are located in south Seattle, Renton, Kent, Auburn and Everett. This clown is in the southwest tip of washington near Portland, OR. There are parts of his district that are very libertarian and very conservative.

South Seattle, Renton & Kent are represented by Democrat Adam Smith. Auburn is represented by Republican Dave Reichert and Everett is represented by Democrat Rick Larsen. The damn war is not particularly popular in so-called Boeing country. A lot of these families are working class and their kids are fighting it. My co-worker whose husband works at Boeing just lost their 19-year-old child in Iraq last month.


Also Jay Inslee who introduced an impreachment amendment against Alberto Gonzales, represents North Seattle and I'm sure there are many Boeing families who live in North Seattle.

In Washington state, you need to get well away from the Boeing plants to find any large concentration of the 26 percenters.

[FormerDittoHead]

18. Just to finish it up, no, Boeing isn't one of his big sponsors - *MICROSOFT* is!

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?cid=N00007936

I should point out, fwiw, he boasts very strong union support...

[PFunk]

3. This will kill the dems in 08

Most of the country are expecting them to end the war. After all that's what they were elected for.

[INdemo]

8. No,not a chance,Democrats will actually increase their Majority in '08

Every time a Democrat makes a statement like this immediately every single Democratic Congressman and Senator has some how caved on the war issue.There are those out there just waiting and watching for a reason to "bash" the Democrats. Lets not forget who reported this(Blitzer) about the Congressman from the state of Washington who probably was bought by right wing corporate money and just could be the wolf in sheeps clothing.And then there is Blitzer who will twist any story to make the Democrats look bad..Well its obvious the right wing media can with little effort convince some Democrats that their party has let them down in Congress...So no this wont kill the Dems in '08..The Democratic voters in Washington should handle this problem and should be looking for this Congressman's replacement..Had a Republican made a statement supporting the surge Wolf would never had mentioned it.........

[RC]

4. When are we going to wake up and realize

not all we call Democrats, are. Real Democrats do not have a majority in Congress. The Republicans still do. Far too many of the so called Democrats would belong to the Republican party in normal times.

[FormerDittoHead]

6. IMO, a very good observation - there are a LOT more DINOs than RINOs... n/t

edited because I figured I could put everything on the subject line...

[rabidchickens]

11. Well a lot of the democrats that got elected

Unfairly got labeled dinos. The thing is they are trending more conservative on social issues, but more liberal on economic issues (opposite of that terrible DLC model) which is a-okay with me.

As for this guy, he is wrong the surge could possibly provide more security, but without a functioning government in Iraq its totally futile, we need to start scaling back (no immediate withdrawal) from Iraq asap

[cureautismnow]

7. He's out of his freaking mind!

The American people don't want us there. The Iraqis don't want us there. Why the hell are we still there? A homeward bound surge is the only strategy that will save American and Iraqi lives. Baird doesn't have a clue. :argh:

[aaronbees]

9. "homeward bound surge"

Yes, indeed. I love the sound of that!

[rhett o rick]

16. What I heard this nutcase say is that we are to wait for the BushCorp

Admin to set up a government, army and infrastructure for Iraq when this is the group that destroyed them. Why would we think BushCorp even wants to set up an independent government. He says we are making progress, I say "Prove it", show me the f******* progress. What has been done in the last five years? besides killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children. I am so tired of the "We are making progress, we mean it this time" lies.

[MindMatter]

17. Maybe there is another take on this.

Answer me this. Who believes that if Bush is allowed to have his way with the war, we will be in any better shape in September 2008 than we are in September 2007?

After all, the Iraqi government has all but disintegrated, and the UK has all but departed. By next March, we basically run out of troops for the rotation, so morale will be the pits, and that reality will probably force a reduction in troop strength that the political debate cannot accomplish.

Of course it is a completely immoral stance to allow Bush to have as much rope as he wants, but tactically, it isn't a bad thing for the Democrats in 2008.

I do disagree with the Congressman's position. The fact is that there aren't nearly enough votes to override a Bush veto, so the current numbers cannot stop it. That being the reality, the best strategy is to keep bringing it up for votes and investigations so that by November 2008, nobody has any question where the Democrats stand.

So sad that another 1000 American soldiers, and countless Iraqis, may die because Bush has the numbers for another 17 months.