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thomhartmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:24 PM
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Thom Hartmann - A crazy alert!...A showdown between Starbucks, a professor and the police.
 
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-10 10:42 PM
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1. So an employee endeavors to insure the correct order and a customer
starts yelling and being unruly. I'd call the cops too.
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tiredtoo Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 12:14 AM
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2. huh ?
What part of "plain bagel" don't you understand ?
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 09:43 AM
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7. And there in lies the problem.
You apparently don't understand that their "plain" bagel comes buttered. You order a "plain" bagel and it comes buttered are you going to be satisfied? I doubt it. Now if I try to clarify and you begin to yell and refuse to calm down you bet the police are going to be called.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 06:18 PM
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10. And this lady already knew that.
But, what if you didn't know that if you order plain you get it buttered? I'm guessing then they ask, "you want butter?", and then you say "no I want it plain". I would be mildly annoyed, but I doubt it would escalate into yelling.

If this lady has to go through this every time, and the baristas know what she means, what's so difficult about just giving the customer what she wants? They probably know exactly what she's going to order the minute she steps in the door, so why fight her over it? (Unless she's just a thoroughly rude person who can never be satisfied).
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-10 01:26 PM
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11. You are making a lot of assumptions to come to that point.
I'm not going to make those assumptions and take this on it's face. The woman overreacted.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 12:55 AM
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3. I'm with her too. I ask for a small coffee. Or medium.
So I'm supposed to learn a whole secret language to get a cup of coffee from you guys?

Do they have another secret language up the street?
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Althaia Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 02:22 AM
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4. I do wish Thom had gotten the story right.
Both sides were terminally annoying, and the Prof went in looking to cause trouble.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/venti_size_fury_A0uKw71Ky1UAOksmbjrBhI

Starbucks' strange vernacular finally drove a customer nuts.

Lynne Rosenthal, a college English professor from Manhattan, said three cops forcibly ejected her from an Upper West Side Starbucks yesterday morning after she got into a dispute with a counterperson -- make that barista -- for refusing to place her order by the coffee chain's rules.

Rosenthal, who is in her early 60s, asked for a toasted multigrain bagel -- and became enraged when the barista at the franchise, on Columbus Avenue at 86th Street, followed up by inquiring, "Do you want butter or cheese?"

"I just wanted a multigrain bagel," Rosenthal told The Post. "I refused to say 'without butter or cheese.' When you go to Burger King, you don't have to list the six things you don't want.

"Linguistically, it's stupid, and I'm a stickler for correct English."

Rosenthal admitted she had run into trouble before for refusing to employ the chain's stilted lexicon -- balking at ordering a "tall" or a "venti" from the menu or specifying "no whip."

Instead, she insists on making a pest of herself by ordering a "small" or "large" cup of joe.

Yesterday's breakfast-bagel tussle heated up when the barista told the prickly prof that he wouldn't serve her unless she specified whether she wanted a schmear of butter or cheese -- or neither.

"I yelled, 'I want my multigrain bagel!' " Rosenthal said.

"The barista said, 'You're not going to get anything unless you say butter or cheese!' "

But Rosenthal, on principle, refused to back down.

"I didn't even want the bagel anymore," she said.

The bagel brouhaha escalated until the manager called cops, and responding officers ordered her to leave, threatening to arrest her if she went back inside, she said.

"It was very humiliating to be thrown out, and all I did was ask for a bagel," recalled Rosenthal, who said she holds a Ph.D. from Columbia.

"If you don't use their language, they refuse to serve you. They don't understand what a plain multigrain bagel is."

A Starbucks employee who witnessed the incident blamed Rosenthal.

"She would not answer. It was a reasonable question," the worker said.

"She called an a- -hole."

An NYPD spokesman confirmed that officers were called to the coffee shop but said he was unaware of anyone being tossed out.


I think the Prof had a history of causing trouble at that Starbucks, and the employees there had had enough of her shenanigans and wanted to make her go away.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 05:25 AM
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5. The employee was being an asshole (but so was the professor)
Starbucks is being idiotic to press this.

In thew service industry the customer is always right though.

The friggin' employee could and should simply have said, okay and handed her the bagel.

Whatta jerk,

If I was her I'd sue Starbucks for every ground roast Venti they have.

of course she coulda said "neither" to the question too.

But when she responded by not responding (or whatever she did) the employee should have served her bagel plain. She said she :just" wanted a bagel which means inherently no butter or cheese. She got the corporate screwing here.

I think she's got grounds for a nice settlement against them (maybe free bagels and large coffees for life and no cheese or butter)

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 08:53 AM
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6. Prof should just go somewhere else if she doesn't like Starbucks
wonderful thing about the US
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redixdoragon Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 02:22 PM
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8. Having worked in this field...
..I find it hard to blame the employees. Store managers and training videos tell you the lingo they want you to say over and over. They encourage you to use words they believe will help them sell their product and ensure returning customers. So for example at a deli if someone asked, "Can I have a cut of ham." You'd be obligated to respond, "I'd be happy to get you a cut of FRESH ham." Injecting "fresh" in there so that the customer uses it in the future. I'm sure it's no different at Starbucks, probably harsher. The deli I worked at was only a company not a corporation, though it acted as though it were a corporation. "The customer is always right." Is not what they're teaching people these days. It comes across these days more as, "The customer always gets what we want them to have."
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-10 04:54 PM
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9. "When you go to Burger King, you don't have to list the six things you don't want."
Quote and source provided in post #4.

That is dead wrong. You order a Whopper at BK and don't want pickles you have to tell them "no pickles". That is the way the Whopper comes. Starbucks bagels come buttered. If you don't want it buttered you need to tell them that.
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