Tim Robbins clowns Cheney Biographer Stephen Hayes on Bill Maher

[Vyan]

Run time: 10:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSngDatlKQ8   Posted on YouTube: August 25, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: August 25, 2007 By DU Member: Vyan Views on DU: 4934

 

Robbins: Before we got into this War there were countless Military Experts - Intelligence Analysts - that said that this was a good idea, and they were all so terribly wrong. Shouldn't there be a rule or a law that says if you fuck things up this badly, you shouldn't be considered an "expert"? You should have a chyron under you name that says "Shameless Propagandist"

[grasswire]

1. thank you

That was fabulous.

[kimmerspixelated]

2. Tim Robbins rocked!

He was right on target with that statement. And, ah...with those cute dimples, what's not to love!!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

3. Stephen Hayes needs to be purged of Kool-Aid

There was a connection between Osama and Iraq? Right, and the earth is flat.

[ooglymoogly]

4. by putting a ton of laxative in it....nt

[ooglymoogly]

5. self delete wrong place.

[liberation]

11. I think he has a man crush on Cheney

So, I don't think Kool Aid is the problem here. I feel sorry for his wife though, maybe a de-homo-matic Christian boot camp may be in order?

[Raoul]

25. Agreed

Yeah, I agree and the guy's a total jackoff to boot. But then again all of them are. There is no reason on earth for any of us to try and engage any of them in any kind of serious debate regarding what is obvious to rational people. And, the closer we get to November of next year, the more strident and irrational they will become - like corned rats.

[AllyCat]

13. Can we have a camp for deprogramming Bushbots? n/t

[liberation]

15. There is no worse blind than he who doesn't want to see...

They are too far gone, they are willing to make their own reality at any cost. Wasting time and resources trying to help those who are so far gone is just an exercise in futility. The 29%ers are no better than lower grade simians as they willingly relinquished their cognitive and reasoning faculties. You may try to conduct a philosophical debate with a bonobo and it will led you to the same result as trying to have a reasonable and fact based discussion with what passes for right wingers now a days.

These people are far too gone, I suggest we try to reclaim our country first, and hopefully educate the newer generations so we never end up like this ever again. Reason, justice and progression of the human race must be defended, and sometimes it takes more than words and it requires a more proactive approach. What passes now for liberalism in this country is so pathetically ineffective to be almost laughable. We need to show our teeth, I will not be sent back to the dark ages without a fight.

[ooglymoogly]

6. Tim Robbins has been right on most of the issues

we hold dear from the beginning...may the gods bless him.

[grasswire]

7. I hadn't realized Ifill's bias until this video

She is really a stealth propagandist, isn't she?

[Junkdrawer]

8. Michel Martin from NPR --- and, yeah, NPR = stealth propagandist...

You see, these propagandists understand that you need different propaganda for different demographics....just like selling a product.

And remember the run-up to Iraq circa August 2002?

Andy Card: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."

[grasswire]

10. thank you

That makes more sense.

[liberation]

14. Stealth?

It was pretty obvious from the get go which on which side she gets her bread buttered.

"Why do you have to assume this war of aggression was deliberate? Couldn't it just be a mistake?"

No you scum sucking rat, you do not waste nearly 1/2 trillion dollars, kill tens to hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, sacrifice over three thousand soldiers, and get to simply say "oops my bad."

So I guess WWII was a simple judgment error on the part of Hitler and Hirohito? What the f*ck!

And this is what passes for investigative journalism now a days?

[JAbuchan08]

19. I loved Tim Robbins response to that

"that's a whole lot of fuck-up"

I forget the quote, but Thomas Jefferson once said something, like (and I'm severely paraphrasing here) "If the government seems to follow a consistent pattern of incompetence it is more likely to be deliberation.

[LibDemAlways]

26. I kept waiting for Robbins to say, "What mistake?

The invasion was planned long before Bush was installed, and the mythical wmd's were just that - mythical. And the Bush Crime Family knew it all along."

He was handed the perfect opportunity to open up the PNAC can of worms, but didn't do it. Missed opportunity.

[hisownpetard]

9. Self-delete:edit

[0007]

12. Stephen Hayes is such a hard headed putz. nt

[liberation]

16. He is worse than that...

Being a putz relieves him of his true moral guilt.

He is a willing propagandist, that makes him lower than scum in my book.

First Al-Quaida was supposed to be a radical Sunni organization, which means that there are two things that they hate even more than the US: The Shias who they consider to be heretics and thus the worst thing one can be, and people like Saddam who were governing traditionally muslim countries under a secular regime. This is, Saddam was the ruler and he allowed Shias to exist, and the Sunni clerical structure did not have a power balance of equal proportion to Saddam's.

Now we are being selling that Al-Quaida is in cahoots with both Iran and Saddam. So this begs the question, is Al-Quaida for real... or just like in 1984, the "stealth" terrorist group would magically change its philosophical makeup in order to suit whatever it was the regime's need for a common internal enemy to galvanize the population?

Why would Saddam collaborate with a group who would like nothing other than having him deposed and replaced with a theocratic government? Why does no one ask such a simple question point blank when these SOBs are now making all sorts of moral contortions trying to link Saddam with 9/11?

The truth is that Al-Quaida, Saddam, Iran, Syria, and N. Korea are fairly unrelated players of which only one has a direct relation with 9/11.

In the big scheme of things Arabia Saudi was far more linked in with 9/11 than Saddam ever was, yet they are our allies? Again, why they let these depraved liars get away with their ball faced lies?

Love Mr. Robbins, however I wish someone in the media actually asked the normal question that such a time in our history requires?

[wtmusic]

18. Robbins was slow on the draw on that one

Refuting that point should have been a slam dunk:

"The consensus of intelligence experts has been that these contacts never led to an operational relationship, and that consensus is backed up by reports from the independent 9/11 Commission, declassified Defense Department reports<3> as well as by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, whose 2006 report of Phase II of its investigation into prewar intelligence reports concluded that there was no evidence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda."

"On April 29, 2007, former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on 60 Minutes that the Bush Administration "could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein_and_al-Qaeda

Welcome to DU!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[Sam Ervin jret]

17. This Bush "robot" has the same problem as all, secrecy at the top = lack of credibility anyplace

[emmadoggy]

20. K & R. Great clip.

:thumbsup:

[DirtyDawg]

21. Incompetence Versus Deceit

Loved 'Nuke's' comments about the amount of 'fuck-up' going on. Seems to me that, to carry it a step further, at the least bush/co's is lying about the degree and depth of their incompetence. Either way, they have had no business being in charge and if we ever again allow a Repug into the White House, we're the ones that are 'fucked up'. It's either incompetence in the extreme or lying continuously...and, therefore, they have no business being allowed back in.

[krispos42]

22. "Everything changed after 9/11"

Except: invading Iraq would result in a quagmire.



If you've been avoiding something because it's hard, then all of a sudden circumstances force you to do it anyway, that doesn't make it easier.

[whistle]

23. Is Stephen Hayes anything but a propagandist for the republican party?

...All he seems to do is retread and repackage all the old republican taking points in an attempt to convince anyone who listens that there really is a logical and rational explanation for all the BushCo failures. He is just another lying liar and shill for the republican propaganda machine.

[Tab]

24. You have to watch this in conjunction with this article

Tim did a pretty good job of slapping him down but Hayes either (1) doesn't get it or (2) doesn't care. That's why debating with some of these people just is an exercise in frustration.

Anyway, the Rolling Stone article here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1663190

seems to be appropriate to the conversation. And note it's 5 pages, not just the first page.