Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why Rahm Was 100% Wrong - by Cenk Uygur

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU
 
kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:24 AM
Original message
Why Rahm Was 100% Wrong - by Cenk Uygur
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 08:25 AM by kpete
 
Run time: 03:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDm0tq0Pxv0
 
Posted on YouTube: September 10, 2010
By YouTube Member: TheYoungTurks
Views on YouTube: 504
 
Posted on DU: September 10, 2010
By DU Member: kpete
Views on DU: 2291
 
Why Rahm Was 100% Wrong
by Cenk Uygur
Fri Sep 10, 2010 at 03:01:08 AM PDT

The Rahm Emanuel strategy was to cut deals with power brokers in Washington and ignore what liberals wanted. This was best illustrated when he called liberals "fucking retarded" for trying to push for real change. His attitude was that you could ignore progressive demands because - where could they go?!


Well, it turns out that the answer to that question is - home. Now there are several polls out showing a 5 to 10% difference between registered Democratic voters and likely Democratic voters. Democrats are basically tied with the Republicans on registered voters. But they get clobbered on likely voters. Why? Because voters who are disillusioned aren't likely to vote.

Why are they disillusioned Rahm might ask when we gave them health care reform and financial reform? The answer is because they're not nearly as dumb as you think they are. You think you can just call something reform and people are going to buy it? That's not going to fly, especially in the new media age.

.............

more:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/9/10/900672/-Why-Rahm-Was-100-Wrong
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:34 AM
Response to Original message
1. The Chief of Staff has no clothes
What does he think he is, Emperor?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. no..the next mayor of chicago......
there he would be emperor.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. He won't even win the primaries. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #6
10. I was thinking the same thing.
Heh.

Or at least I was hoping, but as a Minnesotan I am not certain about how the process works in Chicago with regards to endorsement and selection of candidates.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. I would be very amused...
If he left the White House and ran in a primary and was clobbered by a real progressive.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. He'll be clobbered....Let's face it -- When you campaign you have to do a lot of handshaking, etc.
and Rahm's not exactly "Mr. Charisma".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:39 AM
Response to Original message
2. Rahm....Are you here?...Or is it someone else doing the unreccing.?
Sorry if you ARE here, Rahm, but lots of us will be glad to see the back of you!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. there could be....but i can`t say anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. Why can't you say more?....Are you Rahm?...Or just a FAN of Rahm? n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
17. it would be against the rules here at du...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
5. Go Cenk!....I'll be voting in November, in spite of, rather than "because" of Rahm n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:37 AM
Response to Original message
11. Maybe Rahm would like to explain why the Democrats are unexcited and
disillusioned after the 'historic' and 'unprecedented' HCR passing, and the 'end of the war' in Iraq.

If these were the great victories the rightists would have us believe them to be, wouldn't we be dancing in the streets?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 11:31 AM
Response to Original message
12. It would be nice if Cenk's words reached Rahm Emanuel's ears. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. I think Rahm knows
They pay lots of money for polls, you know they are reading the most popular democratic websites. Rahm never acted like he cared what democrats thought, just republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. Good piece, BUT definition of "likely voters" is easiest way to bias a poll
so the actual outlook is not as Republican as many sources are trying to let on...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. Ayup. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:51 PM
Response to Original message
15. A year ago when people were stating these obvious facts - and thanks Cenk for being one of those
people - far too many Democrats backed bad policies and berated those pointing out what should have been very clear to anyone.

How many times do the progressives have to be right before they're listened to and not derided? 100% of the important issues doesn't seem to be enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #15
21. Because something else is afoot.
Scary to think what that might be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 03:28 AM
Response to Reply #21
32. There is more here than meets the eye.
No question.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 02:33 PM
Response to Original message
16. I posted this article in the DU articles/editorials section.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:16 PM
Response to Original message
18. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 04:46 PM
Response to Original message
19. one point on pharma....
I work in pharma research. It takes up to 12 years to fulfill FDA obligations for research. Patents start from the drug entity design, then the drug goes though phases of validating from the petri dish to humans- 12 years is just the average. A high high percentage of drugs never make it to New Drug Application (FDA) or your pharmacist's shelves. Clinical research is unimaginably Expensive for pharma companies. Yet makes only a small part of the pharma companies' budget, keeps a lot of people employed, is a laborious process with (mostly) altruistic motives, and offers per diem for drug study volunteers. So I wish people would stop thinking this patent change favoring Pharma against me-too generics is such a huge deal. I suggest reading FDA code of regulations regarding pharma. The patent extension actually makes for safer outcomes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:42 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I'd care, if...
My name brand prescription didn't cost 600 times what my generic prescriptions cost. At 600% to 1200% production, shipping, retail, etc. costs, it can't possibly take that long to recoup R&D costs.

Maybe pharma should cut back on CEO expenses, or what they pay people to post crap on liberal websites. Buh-bye, now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Well ain't that a hoot. Pity the poor starving drug co's
We just need to give them more huge breaks. If this is corporate propaganda its pretty piss poor propaganda designed for the ears of idiots. All one has to do is look at the balance sheet of any drug corp to see its obscene profits on the backs of the sick and dying, to understand this is a steaming pile of horse shit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. I agree with everything you said.
I have a daughter without insurance, so I'm paying her meds and medical expenses. The real money's going somewhere- likely the CEO's as you say. I'm just saying the patent issue is nothing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #19
33. I don't buy it.
It is a matter of greed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:03 PM
Response to Original message
20. Whatever DLC Rahm Emmanuel thought, Obama picked him and has stuck with him ....!!!
Edited on Fri Sep-10-10 05:03 PM by defendandprotect
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
22. K&R
Thanks for posting, kpete
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 05:31 PM
Response to Original message
23. Wonder if Cenk will get a dead fish in the mail?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
28. The Rahm Strategy:
Fuck the Left!

What are they going to do?
Vote for a Republican?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
29. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
30. "Rahm's strategy was 100% wrong".
That's it. That's the truth. We are screwed because Obama couldn't pick a better chief. Obama couldn't recognize stupid when he saw it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 03:25 AM
Response to Original message
31. I always come back to the drug deal.
That took money right out of the pockets of struggling seniors. And there is no mistaking this one, it's a right in your face insult to progressive Obama supporters. Cenk is 100% correct.

Rahm should never have served as long as he has. He is making the Administration look amateurish.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:25 AM
Response to Original message
34. I would include
Plouffe and Axelrod in this as well. As campaign managers and senior advisors they certainly have misjudged or just plained fudged on how to build a presidency.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roci Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:02 AM
Response to Original message
35. I really wish I could
argue the point he makes, but I have no ammunition, kind of like that wind up toy President Obama has for a "press secretary."

Two years (give or take) into what may be his only term, there is still too much "Bush" in the Obama White House and policies.

What I genuinely can't stomach is that we gave tens of millions of dollars to Wall Street, because we "Had to", and yet average, everyday people,
who don't give a hoot in hell how the Dow Jones is doing, are STILL losing their homes. The Administration bankrolled Wall Street and then let the Party of NO water down "reform" the same way they "broke" the Health care bill that hardly anyone in the White House talks about anymore. Billions for Wall Street. Billions for two wars, and what does the average "underwater" mortgage holder get? A roll of dimes and a cement life ring. They continue to sink, while others (the ones with money) swim.

And two years later, the brutal truth is that it could all happen again.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I voted and campaigned for Barack Obama believing that, like any Democrat, he would use the power of his office to put right some of what is STILL wrong with the country after eight years of the Village Idiot and his posse of looters and pillagers.

It's the 10th Anniversary of (dun-dun-dun) 9-11. As I write this the media deluge hasn't started yet, but before the end of the day, there won't be anyone anyplace, (unless you stay locked in a sealed vault all day long) who won't be up to their earlobes in maudlin, and mostly political "sentimentality" over this tragic "anniversary".

There are plenty of other things this Administration is "ducking." Things that were or are being done bass ackwackwards, all because the President "has so much to do." Barak Obama has things aplenty to do and to undo, if and when he and the people around him can spare some guts for some of the real, honest change that he campaigned on.

Besides putting an immediate end to DADT, (which he could do with a "stop loss" order) let me focus on just a few out of a bakers dozen or so.

In keeping with this day, let's start with:

-The Patriot Act

Parts of this, one of the worst "knee jerk" (with accent on the "jerk") laws ever passed have been struck down. There is too much of it left, and it's being used in all the wrong ways, even with the change of rug in the Oval Office. it's ten years since a real "jerk" made a political decision to treat an act of barbarous criminality as an act of war rather than what it was, and still is-- an unsolved crime. The great national cringe on 9-12 was used as an excuse to get the excesses of The Patriot Act shoved thru Congress and down the throats of the American people. Most of it is still there. Most people with any sort of mental capacity can and heve looked back on it and said it's a bad bunch of laws. Now that the Great National Scare Tactic (and it's champion Vice-President crash cart) are relics of (bad) history, Isn't it time that we stopped "over-reacting" and took a serious look at what (if anything) the USA Patriot Act has done, in real terms, to make anyone feel "safer." Ask yourself how much "safer" you feel when someone makes you take your shoes off before you get on a plane the next time.



-The Space Program

President Obama wrested the keys to the White House from the Village Idiot January 20, 2009. He "inherited" an economic nightmare left over from the Village Idiot and a group of "economic advisers" who had more on common with the Three Stooges than the CEA. The economic mess has been and continues to be a "smoke screen" excuse for lots of stuff not getting done. First among then is what used to be a Crown Jewell of pride and accomplishment.-NASA went a long time without an Administrator, and for all his high sounding words on the campaign trail, you don't hear anyone "selling" any sort of direction for US manned Spaceflight policy.
The reason I say this is as much economic as it is political.
This Nation is looking under rocks for something, anything "High tech" to get back a piece of what we had once before weak leadership and lack of vision from other people in the Oval Office squandered it. Hay, President Obama!! Looking to create lots of good paying high tech jobs?? Kick start the space program rather than kicking it under the oval office rug, and this time SPEND THE MONEY TO FUND IT FULLY!

Yes, I know. Congress "spends" the money, and with the Party of NO, leaving their footprints on President Obama's backside, this is another in the long "Obama list" of things that were on tap before the economic "Melt down." Well, guess what? Wall Street didn't "Melt down" and to hear the White House talk about it, the "Melt down" is over..SO....

Don't hand me that old soft shoe dance entitled "We can't afford it." We went to the moon in July 1969 for $30 billion (1969 dollars) while we still had a war going on, and a nation divided by it. That's pennies on the 2010 billions that even the most conservative figures say were flushed down a black hole in Iraq.
Astronauts don't go to the Moon, Mars, Low Earth Orbit, or even to asteroids with bags of money in their space craft. Every nut, bolt, and screw that goes to the ISS or to the Moon, Mars, or anyplace else was built right here on good old Earth. And it raised kids, and gave their parents jobs that they are still proud of 40 plus years later.
Right this minute, the Administration, NASA, and Congress are having a knock down drag out cat fight over flying just *ONE* more Space Shuttle mission, while a whole generation of good people who made the shuttle and the ISS fly are being pink slipped by the hundreds every month, as the Shuttle ends, and there's nothing to replace it with.
From President Obama, there was some response. Some extra money (a few cents on the dollar, again.) to help laid off NASA people find all those "other jobs" out there that don't hardly exist. All the grandiose plans are for sometime in the future (mostly post second term Obama) while we have to buy (as in purchase with the tax money everyone says we have so little of) seats for our astronauts from other countries who can still get into space anytime they want. And this is What President Obama calls "The right stuff?"

If this is his vision of "The Right Stuff" then I campaigned and voted for the wrong stuff.

-Where's the fight?

Ever since the national embarrassment on the "Health Care" Bill, the White House has been overly quiet. They have allowed the minority party to walk all over them, as if they have forgotten who and what Democrats are and whom we are supposed to fight for. Maybe someone figured to make political hay over the fact the Party of NO is being obstructionist. If that's the plan, I'd sure as shooting like to know when they are fixing to start, because the numbers say it's our party who's going to get kicked to the gutter the first week of November. If this has all been part of some "double secret" political plan, I'd have to say it isn't working well, if at all. And people who can least afford it are being set up to pay for this if and when it goes bust, because it's going to explode in the faces of the poor, sick, handicapped, and elderly first. Yep, all the people the Party of NO are circling like the vultures that they are, and all because this White House can't seem to win a fight even when they do find the "testicular fortitude" to start one.
We think it's going to be bad and bloody this November. What will it be like in two years time if we allow that to come to pass.

Right now, as far as I can tell, it works something like this:

-The Party of NO wins big in November 2010
-The Party of NO cannot govern, anymore than it could while Gingrich was Speaker and Clinton was President. They screw it up big time again (as I'm sure they will)
-The country is in such bad shape (again) come 2012 that people beg for the Democrats again, just like 2008
-The Party of NO obliges by running a Palin-whoever (another nightmare) ticket
-Bang! The Democrats win in 2012 the same way they did in 2008
- The Democrat's problem is "solved." As long as anyone with a (D) after their name gets the keys to the White House at noon January 20, 2013. Who that someone is doesn't really matter at this moment.

(Has anyone at the DNC thought yet about the genuine nightmare that will ensue if President Obama pulls an LBJ and decides "suddenly" not to run in 2012? Just asking.)

But there's just one little, tinny-weeny thing "wrong" with the aforesaid political "Master plan." What's "wrong" is the numbers of people who will have to suffer in the meantime to make it all work.

"We're not the Party of NO" isn't any better idea for a campaign than "I'm not Bush" ever was.

The point is stark and scary. If the Democrats want to win in 2012, even with all the "help" they'll get from the Party of NO, we'd better start standing up for something when the chips are down (as they might be after November) because for the life of me, I can't seem to remember anything this Administration has "stood up for" without eventually "bending over" (or being bent over) by someone with money or by politics while the people whom they seem least willing to fight for get stuck with the bills, fiscal, political and otherwise.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 07:14 AM
Response to Original message
36. There's one thing the DLC dislikes more than the Rs...
...and that's Liberals.

Granted, some of the criticism of Obama has been hyperbolic but, at its base, it's rooted in facts. Obama's appointments of Emanuel, Summers, Geithner, Salazar, etc. was a warning to his left/Liberal flank. Sure, improvements (as opposed to substantive structural reform) have been made but, largely, the fundamental power structures remain intact: from the healthcare insurance industry, to Wall St., to the Pentagon, etc. And that's not by accident.

To be fair, Congress is largely bought and paid for and Obama's influence - such as it is - is somewhat minimal. Congress has relegated itself to middle-management (the presidency too?) and they dance to the multinational corporate tune.

The US is hardly a republic anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 02:56 PM
Response to Original message
37. K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 15th 2024, 11:08 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Political Videos Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC