State officials did NO TESTING on any dead fish from FOUR major kills near oiled areas

[Generic Other]

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State officials to test latest fish kill for oil, WWL-TV, September 21, 2010 at 7:20 p.m. EDT:

Transcript Excerpts Thousands of dead fish floated along Bayou Robinson on Sunday, the latest in a string of four major fish kills plaguing Plaquemines Parish. "Millions of fish, absolutely, millions," said P.J. Hahn, Plaquemines Parish Coastal Zone Management director. "We're used to seeing fish kills out here at this time of year, but not at this number, mass number of fish that are dying, and not in the frequency that they are occurring now." What the four areas have in common is not just the fish kills, but also the fact they were previously hit by oil from the spill, prompting parish leaders to ask the state to test the dead fish. ... The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries is the responding agency for fish kills. They sent biologists out to the sites and blamed the kills on low oxygen levels in the water — a conclusion they reached without doing a single test on the dead fish. ... No further testing was done, Pausina said, because the teams dispatched to the fish kills didn't see any oil related pollution.

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So it's only necessary to test after they get bad publicity? Wow!

[dipsydoodle]

1. Not much point really

If you search the subject you'll find that fish deteriorate so rapidly when they die that it becomes almost impossible to determine cause of death. The pictures of the dead fish were very dramatic but gave no indication of depth of water which apperantly was only a few feet. As such the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries said suffocation / lack of oxygen was the most likely cause.

If you want to call them out , here in the open on DU , and call them a bunch of liars then feel free.

[Mr Generic Other]

3. i would think that scientists would want to discover the cause of the low oxygen,

which could easily be caused by corexit or the rapid growth of oil eating bacteria, to establish the true cause of the kill. instead they are making assumptions about oxygen levels without any testing at all.
this is not the usual approach of science (except perhaps with those "scientists" who deny climate change).
edited for spelling.

[bherrera]

7. Scientists know the cause of the low oxygen

The problem is either you don't know, or you know and you are consistently trying to post things which induce panic and provide ground attacks against the President Obama administration. Aren't you the same guy who posted the famous "whole communities vomiting blood" pseudo report, which we know was false?

[Devil_Fish]

17. Just to let any one know who dosn't, bherrera is most likley a paid BP stooge. NT

[dipsydoodle]

8. Whilst other factors may have contributed

observation had shown that the fish had been physically trapped by receeding tides. The "scientific" method of determining that the depth of water in the 3 localaties concerned was no more than a few feet was probably a stick of wood which would have been easily sufficient for that purpose.

As mentioned fish flesh deteriorates rapidly. In doing so it gives off ammonia , NH4 , with N being nitrogen. As such some fish dying accelerates the rate at which the water , which according to accounts was also subject to nitrous agricutural runoff , rapidly even more nitrous. Trapped in pools it wouldn't take more than hours for all the fish to die which is what appears to have happened.

[izquierdista]

9. Scientists have a pretty good idea

But by all means, they should take the advice of some TV reporters whose last experience with science was a D in high school biology and take some samples to the lab and look busy.

Sometimes it is hard to explain to the ignorant how to conduct an investigation, but the guy being interviewed did a fairly good job. The more important question to ask is why is there no effort to oxygenate the water? We've known since the spill happened that it is going to take enormous quantities of oxygen to metabolize this amount of oil and that without it, there are going to be environmental problems that all trace back to low oxygen. There should be barges all along the Louisiana coast pumping air into the water 24/7 -- paid for by BP, of course.

[Uncle Joe]

10. That sounds like a good idea.

:thumbsup:

[bherrera]

12. Your point is wrong

Low oxygen in the water is an event which happens in the area every year. This is not related to the oil spill. Oxygenating the water is very impractical, evidently you lack the scientific training to understand the huge amount of energy, and the expense, to oxygenate the water in these small water bodies. Furthermore, the main cause of hypoxia, after the simple fact that water temperature rises, is the excessive use of fertilizers by farmers, and the wrong type of detergent by people, in the catchment area.

The idea of placing enormous barges along the Louisiana coast is good for laughter. It reminds me of the idea that to avoid global warming the earth should be covered with an umbrella. :-)

[izquierdista]

13. Go back to school and try again

Some sci-fi writers have indeed suggested putting "umbrellas" in orbit to cut down solar radiation. Now that is far out. It's not so far out to pump air into the water to clean up BP's fuckup. I'll leave it to you to calculate the amount of oxygen needed to oxidize the oil that was spilled, calculate how much energy it would take to pump said mass of oxygen, and calculate how much that would cost BP.

[Devil_Fish]

18. He could just ask his employer how much it would cost them. NT

[Mr Generic Other]

2. pretty cool that the louisiana dept of fish and wildlife

has trained their biologists to rely on the sniff test.
i knew about the drug and bomb sniffing dogs at airports but this is a new and exciting development.
and so much less expensive and time consuming than actually performing tests.

[KeepItReal]

4. Pausina is doin a heckuva job for Gov. Jindal (R) there

Eom

[bherrera]

5. it is caused by hypoxia, not the oil spill

large fish kills are common around this time of the year in that area. They are caused by hypoxia. Oil, as it is currently found in the oiled areas, does not cause a massive fish kill. They will test because people like you are making a living agitating and creating misconceptions in the public. Thus far you seem to be doing a very good with the deception, but eventually this legend you are creating will be seen as something similar to a fantastic figment of your feverish imagination.

[Generic Other]

14. National Geographic suggests link between fish kills and oils spills

Massive Fish Kill in Gulf Caused by "Dead Zone," Oil?
Combination of "insults" may have led to the die-off, one expert suggests.

More likely is that Gulf oil is one of many "combined insults"—such as agricultural pollutants and water diversion, which leads to wetlands loss—that weakened the ecosystem and led to the giant die-off.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/09/100916-fish-kill-louisiana-gulf-oil-spill-dead-zone-science-environment/

Since we cannot entirely dismiss the presence of oil as a reason for the massive fish kill (much larger than previous years with many more species involved), some form of testing is needed. At this point even the state of Louisiana has agreed. So it would appear it is not some "fantastic figment of...feverish imagination."

[pleah]

6. Didn't BP buy all the scientists?

:(

[Generic Other]

11. BP: "It's SAFE for your KIDS to get SAND in their MOUTH"

Dauphin Island Still Faces Struggle, WKRG, September 20, 2010:

Transcript Excerpt "It is safe to eat, it's safe to swim, it's safe to play, it's safe for your kids to get sand in their mouth, we've got it being tested and thoroughly worked over and that's the next phase is to get the confidence restored for the Nation to come on back down here and get back to the beach," said BP Spokesman, Ray Melick.

According to WKRG, test results from mid-July of Alabama beach sand included: Gulf Shores, Alabama sand at 211 parts per million. Another sample was a spot in Orange Beach, where again, we found kids playing. and we found our highest content of oil and petroleum. 221 parts per million.

WKRG also tested sand in August and found: Gulf Shores, AL sand tests the highest of any testing done by WKRG since oil disaster: 281 parts per million.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXdIpzhGL2c

[pleah]

15. Bingo :(

[Nikki Stone1]

16. .

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