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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:14 AM
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Olbermann - Michael Moore and Keith Both Disgusted by Democratic Leadership
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 03:07 AM by Hissyspit
 
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MSNBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN - 23 September 2010: Keith points out how the Democrats today DID NOT take control of the message. No counter to the laughable Republican 'Pledge on America,' no calling B.S. on tax cuts for the rich.

MOORE: "We all were in grade school... The bully stops beating you up when you stand up to the bully."
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:35 AM
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1. K & R speechless!
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:40 AM
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30. "the answer is not in the stars...[but] in the clueless and spineless Democrats..."---R. Nader
snip...The answer my friends, is not in the stars. The answer is in the clueless and
spineless Democrats, busily dialing for the same corporate campaign dollars. snip

:fistbump:

Not a big fan of Nader since Gore lost 2000 but he nails it here.

Full letter:

From: Ralph Nader <info@nader.org>
To: alerts@lists.nader.org
Sent: Fri, Sep 24, 2010 11:58 am
Subject: Why Say Yes to the Party of No?

How does the Big Business-indentured Republican Party get away with expectations
of a runaway election victory this November? If such a victory should occur in
Congress and for many governorships and state legislatures, it will be due to a
ten percent or so shift in voters who voted Democratic in 2008 and are expected
to vote Republican this year or stay home in despair or disgust. The rest of the
voters who do vote will still stay with their hereditary Republican or
Democratic candidates.

So what is accounting for a possible ten percent shift? Let’s briefly review
some of the Congressional Republicans’ voiced positions:

1. They want to do nothing about unfair Chinese trade practices that lure jobs
away from our country though huge factory subsidies, and where workers are
repressed and counterfeit products abound. Imagine, Republicans coddling a
communist regime, luring the auto parts, electronic, solar and drug ingredients
industries away from America, often in violation of the World Trade Organization
rules. And, in turn, China is exporting to the U.S. impure food, faulty tires,
toxic drywall, lead-tainted toys and medicines which are contaminated, defective
or harmful. Don’t forget the dumping violations.

2. Republicans, led by Senator Richard Shelby and his banking friends, declared
their adamant opposition to Professor Elizabeth Warren becoming head of the new
consumer financial regulation agency. (To avoid a confrontation with them,
President Obama made her a special assistant to organize this consumer
watchdog.) Ms. Warren has a solid record of exposing and communicating clearly
to families the tricks and traps of credit card companies, mortgage firms, and
intermediaries that have taken so many billions of consumer dollars with
impunity.

3. The Republicans led by their House leader, John Boehner (Rep. Ohio), a total
toady of the gouging student loan companies, opposed the Democrats successful
reform of this taxpayer boondoggle that guaranteed obscene profits and had the
taxpayers absorb any student defaults. Boehner’s lobbying should upset millions
of parents who had to foot the bill for so many years.

4. The Republicans are opposed to raising the federal minimum wage to what it
was, adjusted for inflation, in 1968!! They opposed an adequate budget for
health and safety enforcement by OSHA to diminish the 58,000 American workers
who die every year from workplace toxics and trauma. They are now blocking
protections for coal miners pending in the Senate after the Massey mine
disaster.

5. Republicans oppose doing anything about “too big to fail” even after Wall
Street’s reckless, avaricious collapse of the economy, costing 8 million jobs
and trillions of lost pension and mutual fund dollars.
Moreover, they do not support genuine enforcement of the anti-trust laws which
are supposed to break up monopolization efforts, monopolies or oligopolies like
Monsanto (seeds) or the big five banks—bailed out by taxpayers and secure in
their domination of well over 50 percent of all bank assets, deposits and the
credit card business. This is by far the highest concentration of financial
power in modern U.S. history. With few exceptions, the GOP want very few federal
cops on the corporate crime beat.

6. Fighting for the last billionaire and multimillionaire, Republicans are
blocking ending Bush’s tax cuts on incomes beyond $250,000 per year. Yes,
Republicans want to reduce the deficit yet they want to end revenues of over 700
billion dollar over ten years of restored super-rich taxes. They are blocking
renewal of the estate taxes after their expiration on Dec. 31, 2009 left no
taxes this year on the estates of the super-rich. (Over 99 percent of estates
were already exempt from the federal estate tax.)

7. No matter that Republicans caved to the health insurance companies getting
over 30 million new covered customers, starting in 2014, they supported the
industry’s blaming the federal government, no less, for this month’s latest
sharp hike in insurance premiums by Aetna and others largely on the policies of
individuals and small business. The Republicans did this after blocking the
“public option” that would have given consumers both a choice and the benefit of
some competition to the big insurance firms.

8. Have the Congressional Republicans ever challenged the bloated, wasteful,
contractor-corrupt military budget that makes up half of the entire government’s
discretionary budget?

Even the Congress’s own auditing agency—the Government Accountability Office
(GAO) declares the Pentagon budget unauditable. Many Pentagon audits document
the abuses of Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater and other firms in the
deficit-driving, bloody Iraq and Afghanistan wars (both Republican espoused.)
The Pentagon’s burgeoning budget, now nearing $800 billion a year, is deemed
untouchable. (A few Republicans, like Charles Grassley and John McCain sometimes
object to contracting abuses.)

9. President Obama wants a counter-recessionary public works program renovating
airports, bridges, highways, rail and mass transit, drinking water and sewage
treatment facilities and other infrastructures. Republicans sneer at this local
job creation for much needed facilities.

10. Unlike any Republican Party since its creation in 1854, it has misused the
filibuster threat, and any one of its Senators misuse the rules and block even
going to a floor discussion or a nomination vote. The Party is earning its
moniker as the Party of NO. Republicans have turned the U.S. Senate into
America’s graveyard.

There is much more, but enough has been cited to ask again—how are Republicans
seen by the polls as front runners in the upcoming election?

The answer my friends, is not in the stars. The answer is in the clueless and
spineless Democrats, busily dialing for the same corporate campaign dollars.

The other answer is in the ten percent of the actual voters who need to
seriously avail themselves of the facts and a modicum of thought. For if they
don’t, they will continue to pay bills handed to them and their children by
their ruling corporatists in Republican clothing.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. thanks for that
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:14 AM
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2. K&R..can't add a thing! eom
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chowder66 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 04:22 AM
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3. Let's say there is a fire....
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 04:29 AM by chowder66
The arsonist is on the T.V speaking about it but the firefighters (aka most Democrats) are busy putting out the fires. Can't we just start coming together and supporting the good things and come up with not one but a few viable solutions? I'm upset about the fragmentation yet I do not expect everyone to agree on the finer points. With that said can we try to agree on the points that can make the most impact considering what we are up against?



Maybe I'm too nice but I have always thought that if we can't get a majority here why would we expect a majority to support our party?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:53 AM
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6. You're too nice. We need to hold the Dems accountable, and replace if necessary.
The time for that is primary season. At this point we must all pull together to hold off the Republicans and the ruin they would bring for American citizens.

So vote, and vote Democrat. Then work to hold your elected representatives accountable.

And welcome to DU.
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:05 AM
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10. Vote Democratic??
I think we already did that didn't we back in 2008 and even 2006? And how do you hold someone accountable who is only accountable to big business and their campaign moola?
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:17 AM
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11. What's the alternative?
Not voting help the Republicans. Hold Dems accountable during the primary.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:36 AM
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16. I'm an Independent,
but I've always voted with the Dems, no matter how much I might disagree with them. Why? Because there is no viable third party,not voting is not an option,and the alternative is too frightening to contemplate.

My parents were Republicans, but that was in Ike's time. They wouldn't recognize what the GOP has devolved into today. The insanity in that party will be the death of this country if they're able to regain power again.

The GOP stands for everything I'm against, everything. It is full of stupid, intolerant racists, bigots,and most frightening of all, radical right fundies who would like nothing better than to destroy this country and turn it into a Theocracy.

My ancestors,some of whom landed in New England and some who landed in Jamestown, immigrated to this country in search of religious freedom. I suspect they're spinning in their graves, given the mess we find ourselves in now.

So, I will vote for the Dems again, not because I'm happy with them, but because I didn't spend 22yrs of my life serving in the US Navy to turn this country over to a group of people hellbent on turning this country into a Fascist,Theocratic state, which is exactly what we'll have if the GOP takes over again.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:00 AM
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18. Man, can I relate...
... I've traditionally called myself and Independent while working for Dems and against Republicans.

Air Force, not Navy, and a mere six years compared to your long service. Thank you.

And thanks for voting Democratic.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:40 AM
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22. Voting Dem is a no-brainer for me,
although I'd very much like to have more than a 2 party system.

As for my military service, it was my honor. This country has been very good to me, so serving was just my way of paying back the debt.

In fact, I'd like to see some sort of required service for everyone. It wouldn't have to be military, just as long as it's some type of service to the country that improves the lives of the citizens. I see it as a win-win, but I realize not everyone agrees. Just MHO.

Thanks for your service, too. I have a warm spot in my heart for the AF, as they took good care of me on military hops, med-evacs, etc.

Of course, I could do with a little less of those massive cargo planes flying low over my house. Drives my dog crazy. He actually thinks he can catch one of them! You should see him leaping up in the air to try to snatch them! What a Doofus!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:43 AM
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23. Sorry you needed a Medivac. I worked in a squadron supporting...
...C5 Nightingales for a while.

I don't disagree with mandatory service, but am strongly behind reinstating the draft. That would assure a quick end to the illegal wars.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:54 AM
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25. Amen to that!
Fastest way I know to stop this insanity!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:25 AM
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29. I agree on the national service
It's a way to make the citizenry connect with the country on a personal level. And everyone must serve, sick, lame or crazy, no excuses.
Service would also have to take place at least five hundred miles from home. This will open eyes and minds as to what others in the country are up against and bring about greater understanding.
When I was drafted I was vehemently against conscription. Not anymore.
Time spent in service would grant that person training or education upon completion of service.
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-26-10 09:53 AM
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41. I think
the nazis tried that mandatory crap - it didn't work. ROFL
Seriously though - pulleeezzze with the service to the country crap. The only service conscriptees would be performing would be for a corrupt gov. and corporations waving the flag. Screw service to the country - we're all just renters here anyway..
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:19 AM
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20.  At this point we must all pull together to hold off the Republicans
....again

and again..... and again..... and again......

At THIS point? Pu-leez! I can't remember the last time I voted FOR something.... and that includes 2008.

So, yeah.... whatever!

We'll hold off the Repugs getting voted in, but not holding off their complete and utter CONTROL of Congress.... minority or not. It takes a dozen Dems to equal one Repug apparently.
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:02 AM
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8. no, you're not too nice, you're just a
typical liberal who blindly supports your side as much as the neocon blindly supports his/her side. Supporting the good things? What good things? The watered down healthcare bill that was written by the HMOs? The alleged banking reform act that was written by the bankers? The alleged stimulus package for us that stimulated no one or any thing especially our economy?

Nope, time for a radical change - one that the 'nice' people ignore...
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:40 AM
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31. Yep, you are too nice.
We don't need a majority here. This is a discussion board. We have no power.

This segment on Countdown was as basic as you can get in addressing the problem. The ideal is there are reasonable persons occupying the 100 senate seats. The deal is bipartisan agreement on issues. That is not going to happen. The nastiness started in '94 and has slowly escalated. I believe it is close to reaching it's peak. The democrats have allowed too much to be given away, while the rong wing has thrown temper tantrums and demanded more. There is no democratic leadership in the senate. Tom Daschle was as weak and ineffective as Reid is now. Until we get real leadership, nothing will change.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:18 AM
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4. these two
have fought so hard to support progressives and give them ammunition toward the effort to no avail when Reid caves. Now I have to get prepared for the Plague on America.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:36 AM
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5. I wonder what would happen if the tide turns and them GOPers win 2 Houses?
Returning us to the Bush years???
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:58 AM
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7. oh geez
with their missile defense spending I would expect so. I know they wanted to go hit Iran before the term was out but the Iraq debacle stopped that.
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:03 AM
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9. Nothing
that's what will happen if the right wing nuts come back into power - nothing, just like what is happening now and has happened during the past 2 years of President 'Hope and Change'...
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:20 AM
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12. Wrong. They'll use it as an opportunity to take more from the middle class...
...and give it to the wealthiest.

They'll give more power to the corporatists.

Putting the Republicans in power would be disastrous.
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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:24 AM
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13. Well then
If that really does happen, whose fault is it? Hint - the millions of lazy Americans directly affected by the right wing frauds and yet never do anything about it. People have to be put close to the edge before they wake up and finally take action - maybe that's what we need now - a repukican majority to finally cause them to act. You might want to read some of Howard Zinn's works to see what I mean especially when it comes to history..
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:29 AM
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14. It's not about blame. It's about getting things right....
A Democratic super-majority eliminates the excuses. We can do it. Vote Democrat.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:10 AM
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15. they sure will
just look at Paul Ryan's budget. Tax cuts for the ubers and tax hikes on the middle..end medicare and privatize ss. If we think things can't get worse we are so wrong.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3114
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:57 AM
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17. Ryan is a shill for billionaires.
His plan is simply cut taxes for the wealthiest and services for the neediest.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:04 AM
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19. Kick and Rec (nt)
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:33 AM
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21. Dems are SCARED.... of the media
That's right. The Media... and I don't just mean Fox News.... will distort and skew things so Dems look bad. Like they look good now! by caving! It's just what bad story you want to let them tell I guess.


Of course Dems do NOTHING about the media bias either. Break up the empires. Put actual requirements on content if you are to call it "news" and other requirements if you are to call it "opinion". Y'know... legal definitions.... truth in advertising.

BUT NOT BEFORE THE ELECTION!



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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:32 AM
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27. They're afraid of losing their corporate support
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:53 AM
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24. Michael Moore is right
The only way to stop a bully is to stand up to them. When I was bullied I punched him in the mouth and from that day forward he never bullied me again. That is what the Democrats need to do. Punch the Republicans in the mouth.
Stop cowering in corner every time the Republicans say boo. We all ready know that the republicans will vote against everything the Dems try to pass so don't even try to get their support. Fight for progressive reform and show the people that the Republicans wants your children to starve, they want you to drop dead because you can't afford health care. Make the republicans defend their stances on privatizing SS and Medicare. They are the ones who want to pull the plug on granny. Stop being scared of them and show the American people how evil and greedy the Republicans are instead of trying to be their friends.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:04 AM
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26. The Democrats won't

force the issue and demand Republican senators talk on the Senate floor about how they hate the American middle class and working people.
It's time to make them don a Depend and keep talking until it's full.
Seeing the Democrats cower in the corner whenever Republicans growl is getting old.
Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything. If the Democrats take back the minority it will be deserved.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:12 AM
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28. We need to support Democrats with principles and courage
and STOP SUPPORTING the sell-outs. Stop making excuses.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:42 AM
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32. but the Dems need the Blue Dogs to keep their campaign coffers full, apparently
:sarcasm: something like that
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:26 PM
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33. I enjoyed this conversation very much. n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:48 PM
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34. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Hissyspit.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 02:16 PM
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35. We always run from our values for fear of being criticized by nutbags.
I'll never understand it.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:16 PM
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37. Didn't happen as often 25 years and more ago.
now the Democrats have morphed into complete invertebrates.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:01 PM
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38. I think Carter's one term Presidency,
made us afraid of our own shadow.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:15 PM
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36. The Progressive and Black caucuses are marginalized by both the media and the
DLC. They're under constant attack by the "move the party to the hard Right" brigade. Grayson and Kucinich are able to stir up enough controversy to be heard and neither is afraid to hit back. The rest of the party should learn from them.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:09 PM
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40. Kick...That was Excellent Dialog between the TWO of 'EM!
:kick:
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