NH right-wing libertarians: teachers shouldn't get high wages, market should take over education

[ilaughatrightwingers]

Run time: 05:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCj5464h8K4   Posted on YouTube: September 22, 2010 By YouTube Member: RidleyReport Views on YouTube: 576   Posted on DU: September 26, 2010 By DU Member: ilaughatrightwingers Views on DU: 744

 
As someone who grew up in New Hampshire, and as someone who plans on being an educator, I can say with all honesty that these people scare the crap out of me.

[KansDem]

1. The "market" has done so well in other facets of American society...

:sarcasm:

I thought we were beyond this "invisible hand" bullshit...:eyes:

[ilaughatrightwingers]

4. Markets fail

The market will never be able to take over everything and do things more efficiently than non-market forces. I don't like the government taking over everything either but the government is much more democratic than any business.

[KansDem]

9. "...the government is much more democratic than any business."

Precisely. And the fact that Tea Baggers and Republicans believe government "is the enemy" is ludicrous. Government is the people, but they refuse to acknowledge that and will look to private corporations to "promote the general welfare."

Whatever made us believe that powerful CEOs, acting in secret for the benefit of private investors, would have the best interests of this nation at heart?

[ilaughatrightwingers]

10. It's what the ruling class loves to do

Demonize government, demonize unions, promote capitalist businesses.

[activa8tr]

2. as someone with current and past NH ties, the righties and libbys in NH

scare me about as much as the fundie church types....

Very scary people.

Thanks for this vid.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

5. And they call it a "voluntary" society

How "voluntary" is it when I'm faced with the choice of either paying some business-disguised-as-school a crapload of money or having my children be uneducated?

Taxes ARE coercion, but denying people the right to many of the things taxes pay for if they can't afford it is a much WORSE coercion.

[Pholus]

3. Just like HMOs revolutionized health care!

[ilaughatrightwingers]

12. That's the jist of it

[MikeMc]

6. Yeah. There was a good Tom Tomorrow cartoon on that...

After the big 'free market' corporations take over education, they fail. The business goes bust, then the government bails them out.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

7. Capitalism can't exist without government

It just can't, never has, and never will. The state will ALWAYS be needed to prop the capitalist system up every time it fails.

[MikeMc]

8. Right. They don't want to try existing without government subsidies,

but they just can't accept any oversight. Like Halliburton taking our tax money for current gov contracts, then bugging out for Dubai.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

11. Small businesses need the government too

The only way to truly "abolish government" is to abolish capitalism. So as long as there are capitalist businesses there will be a need for government intervention.

[MikeMc]

13. The teabaggers need to hear that idea.

You're right, even independant commodity producers need the gov for infrastructure, oversight and regulation of larger competitors or larger businesses that supply raw materials, transportation, retail space, etc.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

14. Business couldn't go on without government

The origins of the modern state/government was capitalism and the fact that property owners needed something to re-enforce their property ownership. Until you abolish private property you can't abolish government (even Adam Smith and John Locke said this).

[MikeMc]

15. There is very little chance of abolishing

capitalism, government, or private ownership. At least in the short run. Ecosystem destruction will get rid of all three in the long run, but will also cause billions of deaths.

Saw your post on Hopi philosophy vs. Ayn Rand. + 1.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

16. The problem with most ideologues for capitalism

A lot of the people like the "free staters" in NH have a warped view of capitalism and think we can go back to the kind of economy we had in 1776. At that time, the USA was an agrarian society where people produced ONLY for their consumption and the consumption of their communities, hardly the kind of industrialized capitalism we have today where hundreds of workers slave in sweatshops for very little money. Not to mention the USA's biggest exports during that time were cotton and tobacco.

There's no way a 1776-style capitalist market economy could exist today. It would fall apart very quickly and would most likely lead to wealthier businessowners propping up even more government to keep everything from crashing.

[MikeMc]

17. I agree. That's why I was referencing 'independant commodity producers'

The circuit for them is Commodity to money to commodity (money just used as means of exchange).
The circuit for the big industrialized capital is Money to commodity to money + (they get no use value from the commodity). They create the crisis for their system.

[ilaughatrightwingers]

18. That's mutualism, not capitalism

What defines "capitalism" is the separation of the workers from the means of production. What the free staters call "capitalism" (i.e. 1776-style market) is market socialism/mutualism.