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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 05:24 AM
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CBS: 'Nuremberg - It's Lesson For Today' Restored & Rereleased
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CBS | September 29, 2010

Sandra Schulberg, Restoration Producer & Co-Creator talks about the documentary "Nuremberg: Its Lesson For Today" made by the US military to document the trial at Nuremberg following WWII.

And what Nuremberg lessons have we forgotten for today? - H'spit
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 05:26 AM
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:31 AM
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2. More relevant than ever, now with the whiff of facism coming
from the extreme RW and its Teabagger acolytes. Wouldn't hurt for American schoolchildren to see it, just as their German counterparts were required to in the late 1940's.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:47 PM
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3. And what Nuremberg lessons have we forgotten for today?
Many, I fear. Too many people have never learned, or *have* forgotten the major lessons of Nuremberg, -- and they aren't all high school kids who think the Civil War had something to do with Hitler. Many are older respected writers or teachers, in their own sphere of influence, who just "don't want to go there." It's past history, not relevant to modern times, and many feel that there's a certain hysteria attached to any harking back to that time, and its long shadow over our current politics.

My father fought in WWII, and all my life I've read and heard that the downfall of the Germans was their inherent character deficiencies which led them to be unthinking followers. Looking back to that era, it's easy to say that because, as with this film, the horror of what happened is distilled into a few hours of film that sums up the major points of that era.

Paying attention to that era (and especially through a film that does not allow much room for denial) is a little like finding a monster under the bed. Better not to look. If you don't look, maybe the monster is not there. That was then; this is now.

I read Sebastian Haffner's book, "Defying Hitler," a few years ago, and in that personal memoir he recounts the *slow* descent into tyranny that happened while he lived in his land of birth. He was a German jurist, married a Jewish woman, and got out and went to England while he still could.

Here on DU, and in other venues, too many people want to put their hands over the eyes and just let that particular sleeping dog lie. But it was only 60-80 years ago, from the beginnings in the '30s to the war in the '40s, and many people are still alive who lived through it all. Try telling them that what happened back then is not relevant today.

I find it interesting that Leni Riefenstahl is mentioned in that short clip you've posted. She was someone who was interested in film. She was good at what she did. Whether she acted as Hitler's documentary filmmaker out of real support for him, or whether she could not say no, in fear of her life, she acted to further his agenda.

Years ago, I read the book "Spandau," written by Hitler's architect, Albert Speer. Like Leni Riefenstahl, he had a passion in his life -- architecture. From prison, later in life, as he was doing much soul-searching, he wrote that he wanted his name to live in the realm of architecture, and when Hitler took him on, he put aside his deepest feelings about what the man was and began designing the monumental architecture that was to serve as memorial to Hitler's reign, which would last a thousand years (modestly put). In time, though, he became Hitler's armaments minister, and was involved with the use of slave labor toward the end of the war.

In those times of peril, essentially good people were swept up in the maelstrom of war and tyranny and the personal madness of one charismatic leader. Defiance was dangerous, and most good Germans (they were as good as we are, as a people, in my opinion) just tried to lie low until the storm passed. Too many, like our Tea Partiers, were fanatically devoted to Hitler's cause -- not that they really could likely have articulated exactly what the cause was, except hating others.

Now, we are being counseled to circle the wagons, put aside our concerns and our deeply-held democratic principles, and engage in party loyalty just this one more time, to keep the devil we know in place, and the more frightening devil that is scratching at the window, out. There is a certain wisdom in that counsel, and it's coming from the likes of Bernard Weiner, who posts here, and other luminaries. But Mr. Weiner appeals to our inherent intelligence in his articles, rather than engaging in divisive "with us or against us" rhetoric which is the stuff of the schoolyard bully. If we Democrats are simply a mob that needs the stern instruction of those who would be leaders, we are lost already.

I have been amazed to see that meme take hold (here on DU and out there in the country at large) that suggests that input from concerned citizens who have toiled long in political fields, and are intelligent enough and old enough to have earned some respect, when expressing their alarm over our loss of our freedoms, and with regard to the limp-wristed performance of our elected Dems, are said to be whining because they "didn't get all they wanted." The frequent references here to people "having a tantrum" when they post comments that express those concerns, speak to the level to which our political discourse/dialogue has sunk.

Demagoguery, whether through speech or the written word, is a signpost pointing to an America where too many have forgotten the lessons of history, of Nuremberg, and the very important issue of The Power of One. When joing forces with a crowd, integrity demands that the individual dissect the message being promulgated, and make a personal critical decision about whether to follow -- or not. Many times in history, a leader or a party has managed to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. When someone with historical memory offers wise perspective, and dares to complain about the deficiencies in our current leadership, they should be honored, not lectured and demeaned to the point of going away.

The person who first invited me to DU (and gave me my name, PuebloKnot) wrote to Obama with his last post (or among the last posts here) that the Nuremberg Chalice was now at his lips. That man no longer posts here. And his voice was one of the most intelligent and passionate about our beloved country.

Take away voices of dissent and you have a compliant mob.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:36 PM
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4. puebloknot, thanks for your post.
As one who lived in Germany and Austria and who knows fairly well the history and cultures of those countries, I have to agree with every word that you have written.

The extreme manifestations of fascism -- the prison camps -- the militarism -- were preceded by years of economic decline -- fighting war after war, relying too much on imports, wasting national resources, increased frustration of the working people, building anger and then inflation and economic crisis. The authoritarianism of the NAZIs was viewed as a way out. The NAZIs were able to get control because those who supported democratic government were too weak, unwilling to awaken the German-speaking people to deal with their enormous challenges.

And, I am sorry to say, we remain in that situation. Liberals are being scapegoated simply because they are speaking the truth. Just as the NAZIs replaced the history of Germany with heroic myths about themselves, Americans are rewriting our history which was one of people working together to build communities in which they as individuals could prosper to some sort of myth of a nation built on a chaotically free economy in which only the fittest have reached the economic pinnacle.

We should be watching the trajectory of German history from about 1870 through 1945 very, very carefully. There is so much to learn. I saw a movie about Nuremberg some years ago. It was fascinating. I will be sure to see this one.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 02:46 PM
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5. And thanks for responding.
Edited on Wed Sep-29-10 02:56 PM by puebloknot
I lived as an army brat in Germany from age 12 to 15 (Mainz, Wiesbaden, Zweibrucken). It was ten years after the war, and there was still a lot of rubble that had not been "Marshall Planned" yet. People were living in gardening shacks, but attending concerts in ragged overcoats in winter. Very perfectly German.

That old Spencer Tracy film, "Judgment at Nuremberg," is a classic. Is that the one you are referring to?

There's a new program I've taped but have not seen yet called "The Fall and Rise of Germany." It sounds intriguing.

German disdain for less-than-perfect human specimens has its counterpart in this country among religious fundies. If you're right with God, you'll prosper and not be sick. If you're sick and broke, conversely, it's a sign of personal decadence.

The parallels between then and there, and here and now, are frightening. Naomi Wolfe discusses that in her Ten Steps to Fascism.

Frightened people cling together because, in fact, going it alone is terrifying and not practical. But ridiculing and shaming those who have the courage to speak out is a tactic straight from the Nazi playbook.

Somewhere, We, the Dems, and more broadly, We, the People, have to find a place to stand. Neville Chamberlain stands in history as the prime minister who compromised with Hitler, and saw betrayal from Hitler and censure from his own people. "Just for now," we are instructed to ignore glaring evidence of growing fascism, and vote for the Dems because the Repubs are infinitely worse. "Divide and Conquer" still plays well in our current political landscape, but an old piece of a poem comes to mind:

"That there is a devil, there is no doubt.
But is he trying to get in, or trying to get out."

Nice talking!

Judy Barrett
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 03:12 PM
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6. Very Interesting.
Edited on Wed Sep-29-10 03:15 PM by JDPriestly
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