TYT: Cenk on Dylan Ratigan, rants about the White House dissing critics (esp. on health care)

[ProfessorPlum]

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Righteous rant

[EFerrari]

1. Invisible rec. I'm not mad like Cenk was in this rant.

I'm stunned that anyone would organize a blame the voters tour a few weeks out of Election Day for any reason.

[daleanime]

5. No...

I'm more like Cenk on this one.:grr:

[ihavenobias]

14. Cenk's new HuffPo blog: Obama Scapegoats His Own Voters

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9220339

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[docvet]

49. So...

Dems, Repubs, Pharma companies and Insurance companies were like...






Now we are like...

[pezDispenser]

61. well let's be fair

it was only against the fucking retarded.

[tavalon]

73. I'm mad just like Cenk

and astounded as you are at this nasty little turn of events. We've become the new Muslims (and I hate the Muslim hating too!!!).

[phantom power]

2. "Does the Bubble love me enough?"

well said, sir.

:thumbsup:

[timefortherevolution]

4. My take away too. PERFECT!

[JDPriestly]

15. Exactly: "Does the Bubble love me enough?"

I know Obama has a huge job. The challenge is enormous.

But Obama needs to look at how FDR got the nation behind him. It was not by insulting labor union members or giving bail-outs to banks and allowing unemployment to rise mercilessly.

Obama should have done more to keep people in their homes. He could have advocated for giving the bankruptcy courts more authority to help banks and homeowners rewrite loans. Longer terms for repayments, lower interest rates. A whole panoply of tools were at the administration's disposal. How about lease with an option to buy the house you used to be buying. The government could have saved a lot of money and a avoided a lot of social disruption with just a little creativity. Probably would not have needed to really change that much and could have reduced the fear and panic among homeowners and bankers.

Obama makes a show of an internet site with e-mails, but just as with Bush, his audiences at events are selected from his supporters and funders. He hasn't really used the new ideas that he claimed to have wanted.

Still, in his Rolling Stone article, for the first time, he at least addressed many of our concerns directly. That is the first time that I have seen him do that. So maybe we are getting somewhere with him.

I wonder if Cenk remembers the election regarding the propositions to change California's education policy. Schwarzenegger lost big and had to apologize big afterward. That is the direction that Obama needs to go. And by the way, Obama's education policies are a big loser. They will change very little.

I wonder whether Cenk has looked at and analyzed the LA Times scores on the schools. Predictably, schools in Woodland Hills, Hancock Park and other areas in which professionals and wealthy people live score higher. Then you go to the next rank -- places like Eagle Rock that are socially stable but not super-rich. The Arroyo Seco science school (not the right name) is located at the foot of Mount Washington -- not an extremely wealthy area, butt certainly a pretty prosperous one.

I would like to see a statistical analysis of that list that correlates socio-economic status in communities with rank on the list. I wonder if MSNBC could do such a study.

[Ozymanithrax]

44. Liberals hated FDR at the time, and considered him and his New Deal..

in the pocket of the big banks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x407004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x460799

The same complaint the left has for Obama, they leveled at FDR. But we forget that.

[ihavenobias]

45. Compare their respective policies, not their respective critics. n/t

[Ozymanithrax]

47. Historical perspective is a marvelous thing...

FDR should not be held up as a measuring stick by the left, since the left detested him at the time. The difference is historical perspective.

[ihavenobias]

48. Few realistically expect FDR.

Being within a million miles of FDR on the other hand is not all that unreasonable, or at least it shouldn't be.

[Enthusiast]

57. Plus one.

Thanks, ihavenobias. You said it so I don't have to.

[Jim Sagle]

66. Even moving in the same direction as FDR would be a major plus, and a sharp 180.

Hell, even FACING in the same direction, or TALKING ABOUT the same direction would be a start. But when they talk to us at all they tell us the jobs are not coming back.

[timefortherevolution]

3. Beautiful Cenk. Took the words right out of my mouth.

SPOT ON!

And when are you getting your own show??

[DJ13]

6. Uh Oh

The "Dylan is a conservative" crowd will now have to turn on Cenk.........

[golddigger]

7. I love Cenk.

:loveya:

[avaistheone1]

8. Cenk!

A classy and just rant.

:patriot:

[Stevepol]

9. Would that Obama would see this.

Maybe Rahm will give him TV privileges if he behaves.

[DeSwiss]

10. K&R n/t

[Think82]

11. Misdirected anger. Problem is the Senate, and Filibuster rule.

The house passed the public option. Obama didn't "laugh" at the public option.

Until you answer what you would have done. Fight for the public option or let reform die, then you're in no place to criticize.

Also, the private companies have to use 85% or more for healthcare, so the heavier regulation makes them not as good, but closer to a public utility.

Get out there and vote dem. The time to eliminate the Blue Dogs was in the primary, now its up to us to make sure the Repubs don't take over any part of the government.

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[Nite Owl]

13. That 85% has been worked on

to include much that really isn't healthcare at all. They find the loopholes (they wrote the loopholes) and no one does anything about it.
As Cenk said he could have gone to CT for example and given old Joe hell, the people wanted it but he didn't even try.
What we got cannot be called healthcare reform at all, it's insurance reform where we pay more to them.

[Think82]

63. Then why did the insurance companies turn ont he admin and start fighting reform?

[JDPriestly]

16. Problem is the Blue Dogs in the Senate.

And that is a problem that only Obama can handle. If he were half as focused on getting some party discipline from the Blue Dogs as he is on trying to bully us into supporting him, he would not have the problems he has. Obama has no one to blame but himself.

We support what Obama claims is his agenda. He states in the Rolling Stone article that he wanted a public option. We did not prevent him from getting it. Nor did the Republicans. It was Blue Dogs like Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman who make things difficult.

Obama should be talking tough to Mary Landrieu about the Lew nomination -- not to us. We have not actually thwarted his policies. We are disappointed in his health care bill, but we generally support it as a step in the right direction.

Obama is not pointing his finger at the right villain.

[lumpy]

17. I'm with you. People expect miracles from this president who has

a Congress filled with Republicans who don't give a damn about the welfare of US citizens and a smattering of Democrats who are fearful of losing their elitist positions.
It is disgusting that some Dems are ready to throw in the towel on Obama.

[ihavenobias]

18. You'll love this vlog by Tina Dupuy

over at The Top Vlog:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aau6CfGh98

Seriously, I'll think you will.

[lumpy]

88. Meh...

v

[liberation]

21. Wait, what? When did the GOP get a majority in the House during the past 2 years?

Me thinks you jumped the shark with that talking point. LOL...

[Enthusiast]

58. Also

reconciliation only required 51 votes to pass. Surely there were 51 votes for a bill that included the public option. We all know why there was no public option and it is the 'reason' that is making us so angry.

[Think82]

64. You can't pass a pub option with just 51 votes. it's only for tax/budget measures

[Enthusiast]

65. I am speaking about then, not now.

The public option would have been a part of the HCR bill. The HCR bill passed with less than 60 votes because budget reconciliation was used to pass it. Only 51 votes were required otherwise the HCR bill would not have passed.

[lumpy]

86. Do you have a problem called reading incomprehension?

Where did I state that Republicans have a majority in Congress? The fact that I said Congress is filled with Republicans who don't give a damn? They don't give a damn do they? Merely stating the truth. That doesn't translate into the Repubs having a majority. Think before you accuse people of "jumping the shark".

[laconicsax]

25. Democratic majorities in both houses=filled with Republicans?

:shrug:

[indy legend]

37. Fox math

[lumpy]

89. Meh...

x

[lumpy]

87. Yes, filled with Republicans who don't give a damn . In other

words the Republicans in Congress, who help "fill" up a contingent, i.e. a share or quota. Can one deny that the Republicans help to "fill" up the Congress? Stop and think before making assumptions about other peoples posts. No one said the Repubs have a majority.

[laconicsax]

92. Keep trying.

You blamed the Dems' legislative failures solely on the minority party. There's a missing component here.

I'll give you a hint: it starts with "p" and rhymes with "iss poor leadership."

[lumpy]

93. I did ? Blamed the Dems failure soley on the minority party?

I'd like to see those invisible words of mine that seem apparent only to you. Why do you feel it necessary to reply to me at all? Just because I am not whining about Obama's or the Congressional leadership? Sorry, I try not to whine if I don't get my way.
Not nice to attribute me with words I didn't say. If it gives you satisfaction I will say this, the minority party has to take a great deal of responsibility for all legislative failures. Happy now???

[laconicsax]

94. And who has to take responsibility for letting the minority party block his agenda?

Hint: It starts with "P" and rhymes with "resident Obama."

[lumpy]

97. I suppose Obama could have threatened the opposition with

bodily harm.

[laconicsax]

102. Or he could have pushed Reid to stand up to them.

Or he could have not kept bending over backwards trying to appease a group willing to do whatever it takes to see him fail.

But I suppose criticizing him for that is inexcusable, right?

[lumpy]

103. As if you know what goes on behind the scenes.

Enough ! BS

[laconicsax]

104. I suppose you get hourly e-mail updates?

Does the President phone you before every decision he makes to let you know he's doing his best?

"Enough ! BS" indeed.

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[flyarm]

52. whoaaaaa..Obama has a Democratic Senate and Congress..not a republican Senate or Congress!

I think you need to rehink your post.

[lumpy]

84. Who said Obama has a Republican congress? The point is

that there are no Republican members of Congress who are willing to support any legislation proposed by the Democratic contingent and that includes some Democrats. I don't need to rethink a damn thing, thank you.

[flyarm]

100. No the real point is : As Obama said in the Rolling Stone interview...

As Obama said in the Rolling Stone interview ..he realized Seven days into his Admin.

that there was NO working with Republicans and that all they were going to do was to try to obstruct everything.

I have to believe WHat Obama himself has said.

So if Obama knew the first week the Republicans would Obstruct everything..just who has he been kissing ass up to?

It surely has not been progressives or liberals..so just who??????????

[liberation]

22. That argument is dead dude...

... legislation does not have to be passed by cloture. "Threatening to filibuster" and actual filibuster are two very different things.

BTW, how did Bush manage to pass all that awful legislation with far thiner percentages of GOP "majority" than Obama does in regards to Dem majorities?


Furthermore, you pushing watered down legislation because that is what you think you may be able to pass even before a single vote has been casted is many things. But strong leadership is not one of them. A leader governs by pushing the legislation people want, and then if the case need be compromise down the line to gather votes if they are necessary. One most definitively doesn't start with the legislation that corporate interests want, and then down the line compromise it further to gather votes and then after all is said and done try to sell that back to the people as it being what "they really want." It is ass backwards.

If that is what you guys are proposing, so be it. But trying to pretend that is good or strong leadership is taking entitlement to have everything both ways to new heights.

[Enthusiast]

59. Plus one! nt

[Ganja Ninja]

67. I don't know how misdirected it is but I agree that the core of our problems resides in the Senate.

The same half dozen senators are continually rising to the occasion to thwart the party agenda and they don't seem to be suffering for it. Harry Reid should have done something about it long ago. The fact that he hasn't is reason enough for him to lose his leadership position.

[big lu]

19. K&R!! That was beautiful.

[peace frog]

20. Righteous rant, Cenk

and spot on!

[Divine Discontent]

23. as I said yesterday -

I don't think it's positive to tell unhappy Democrats who you asked to keep you honest about your promises to 'stop whining' or being 'irresponsible'. When he says he's accomplished 70% of what he promised, many cannot help but realize that the big things were very watered down and heavily compromised into a joke. ("health" care bill being one of the biggest, when it's an insurance companies dream and is not single payer or even a public option, but it's something he checks off as being "accomplished")




Thank you, Cenk!

[sulphurdunn]

24. The Democrats have big enough majorities

in both houses of Congress to bitch slap the Republicans anytime they want and to call their filibuster bluff. They don't want. I think the problem is that the people who vote for the Democratic Party and the people who bankroll it have different agendas. The Dems have clearly sided with the big money agenda.

[leeroysphitz]

35. Bottom line: If the president and the dem leadership had wanted a public option

we would have a public option.

Instead they let themselves be shamelessly and openly BRIBED by the industries we elected them to oversee and then lied to us blaming what can only be described as "very surmountable" republican obstructionism.

Just saying.

[GOTV]

71. I agree with you. I don't think they wanted a PO.

[Dinger]

26. K & R, Awesome Rant Cenk! nt

[dionysus]

27. he of the Fisher Price TV Studio Playset (tm) has spoken.

[CherylK]

28. LOL, must drive you crazy seeing Cenk on that fantastic MSNBC set!!

When he gets his own show you will have to come up with something else to say!

:rofl: :dunce:

[dionysus]

29. i'll come up with something

:P

[Divine Discontent]

31. heavens forbid there be a response about what he said! which was SUPER well spoken facts by Cenk!

[Divine Discontent]

30. that seems nasty. dude has a zillion views on youtube, speaks pretty progressively & you mock his

initial lack of funds to have the same type of studio that GE has? yeesh...

[sallyseven]

32. Why don't you shut your mouth

You make me sick. You are a fraud.

[LAGC]

62. Hate much?

What, does the truth really bother you?

[jgraz]

78. Hey, we don't hold with people talking about Obama that way.

Show a little respect for the office, at least.

[WillyT]

33. HUGE K & R !!!

:bounce:

:kick:

[leeroysphitz]

34. Cenk must be a paid right wing troll... n/t

[Meshuga]

106. Why? Because he is asking Obama not to throw progressives under the bus? n/

If Democrats are in trouble now it is because they did not listen to the people and and did not fight for the changes that the base wanted to see.

[leeroysphitz]

109. Nope. He's gotta be a paid right wing troll. n/t

[harun]

36. Fantastic, especially bringing up we didn't even get a vote on Medicare buy-in either.

[DemocraticPilgrim]

38. Some of his critics have been harsher than they were on Bush. The Pres. Is only human..

sooner or later there's a response. It's fair to critique but some try to tarnish his whole character and that's wrong.

[Enthusiast]

60. The President's actions

and inactions are what makes us call into question his character. His actions have made many of us very suspicious.

[southmost]

39. funny, i never got emotionally attached to the hopes I had in '08

and didn't experience a let down during the health reform,

I want a medicare for all type of health system, a lot of that hope went down the drain during the '08 primaries.

I realize I don't have a liberal or left leaning representation in the government. I also realize I will fight the blatant reich wing take over of this country, if that's the only option I am given.

[whathehell]

40. Cenk nailed it in that video...It was absolutely what I wanted to see and hear! n/t

[truedelphi]

43. Rec for Cenk, number 50. n/t

[20score]

46. That was great! K&R

[lob1]

50. K&R. Great rant.

[vaberella]

51. Is this all Cenk cares about? A supposed insult?!

We have bigger fish to fry over people losing seats and losing a bit of America. Fuckin' pundits don't have a fuckin' clue. This is just childish and people on this board supporting this is as petty and pathetic as Cenk sounds. We're in a fight here to save America from freaks. Freaks who want to make the pill illegal, and he's pissed about an apparent insult. Get over yourself Cenk. This isn't about you or the critics. You need to grow up. I'm tired of this egotistical bullshit.

[rainlillie]

70. vaberella , ITA!!!!!

[jgraz]

80. It's amazing how people can misunderstand plain-spoken English.

It's not the insult that's the problem, it's who's being insulted. Cenk is taking them to task for a terrible political strategy. When's the last time a party tried to win an election by insulting their core voters?

This is colossal political incompetence. Someone needs to point that out.

[vaberella]

101. I don't give a fuck. Never well...I don't see why hurt feelings are given airtime.

Let's move on to the real shit, as I said in my first post. The fact we have freaks trying to take over and making being a woman as well as any minority a bloody crime. Why are we wasting our time on this?! This is what's so important. The Left and the Right pundits and bloggers say whatever they want whenever they want. Hurt feelings be damned here. Let's move on.

[lumpy]

107. Hear hear

Sick of whiners.

[flyarm]

53. K&R thank you Cenk For truth..and the INSULT>>S just keep on coming..great GOTV tactic! NOT!

[BobisKewl]

54. Dems are LETTING the repubs block everything!

Check this out..

In the modern filibuster, the senators trying to block a vote do not have to hold the floor and continue to speak as long as there is a quorum, although the Senate Majority Leader may require an actual traditional filibuster if he or she so chooses.<27>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster#Senate

___________________________

So that means, REID COULD REQUIRE THE PUKES TO HOLD ACTUAL FILIBUSTERS!

so therefore the pubs have not really blocked anything, it's more like the dems willingly CHOSE to scrap it

as far as I can tell, there is no excuse for this, other than keeping the oligarchy happy

it seems to me most democrats disdain progressives.... they look at us like a speedbump

[Enthusiast]

55. K&R

Again, much of the enthusiasm gap comes from what many of us perceive as less than an honest effort to rein in abuses by the insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

We screamed that if you are going to use reconciliation to enact the reform also include the public option. We feel there would have been 51 votes for the public option provision. But nary a word about the public option was spoken at the time. I felt my heart was cut out. We simply are not the foolish lockstep party that the Republicans are.

[BobisKewl]

56. *

I dont think reconciliation was necessary

republicans would cave at the thought of having to hold an actual filibuster

[theFrankFactor]

68. The Left Has No Balls, No Power, No Outrage.

This place is a prime example. All too happy to make excuses, look the other way and blame someone else. Following the piss warm excuse making Democratic apologist will help secure that impotent, crippled position. People have no capacity to understand that being critical and demanding of your own (Democratic) party is not an endorsement of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

The Corporate programming of this nation's citizenry is a tremendous success! Progress is antithetical to the Democratic party now. The objective is to feign passionate Progressivism for elections and then serve up moderate right wing, pro-corporate, anti-labor, self-fucking "center-right" SHIT.

[GOTV]

72. what you said

[tavalon]

75. I have to disagree when you talk about DU

The reason we are struggling so much with one another is because we have all of those in excess.

[jgraz]

85. Let's not confuse "The Left" with the current inhabitants of D.C.

People like Cenk are the real "Left" in this country. Unfortunately, very few of us are holding political office.

[theaocp]

90. "People have no capacity to understand that being critical...

...and demanding of your own (Democratic) party is not an endorsement of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin."

Fuh. King. A. How hard is this to understand? Keep on keepin' on, Brother Frank.

[rainlillie]

69. He filled in for ED and I found him annoying as hell..

Since he has all the answers he should run for office. I too am disappointed in some of the things Obama has done, BUT I know there's plenty of blame to go around and I also know there's too much at stake to keep this infighting going.

[tavalon]

74. Come join us under the bus

We decided there were so many of us under here, it was time to organize a party. Call it the Underbus Party. It's the party to end all parties!

[ClarkUSA]

76. Cenk sounds as unhinged as PUMA Jane Hamsher. Are they on the payroll of the Koch Brothers?

I think Cenk should change his show's name to The Young Turkeys.

Whining about whining on self-described conservative former CNBC Bushie Dylan Ratigan's show? :puke: Cenk is nothing but a Republican tool and professional attention whore these days.

[theaocp]

82. A Republican tool?

How sad and predictable. As a loyal member of the TYT Army since 2006, I must recommend actually watching the Turks for a while. You may see how little truth there is to your description of Cenk. The man knows of what he speaks. Cheers.

[ClarkUSA]

95. Yes: Ratigan = Republican-friendly conservative | Cenk = whining about whining on Ratigan's show

What's next? A Faux News appearance? Front-page on Drudge?

[theaocp]

108. I pity you n/t

[jgraz]

83. Are you planning on posting this on every TYT thread?

You might want to reconsider. It really sounds disconnected from reality.

If you want to go after him on substance, have at it. But these baseless accusations look a bit unhinged.


Also: "Young Turkeys"? Really? :eyes:

[ClarkUSA]

96. "every"? More like two. And this is a DU thread, not a "TYT thread".

<< You might want to reconsider. It really sounds disconnected from reality. >>

No, I and VP Biden and President Obama are anything but. It's those who are whining who are "disconnected from reality."

But the Republican Party's teabaggers suffer from the same problem, so why shouldn't the Democratic Party have their own unhinged malcontents? The WH recognizes this as well.

<< If you want to go after him on substance, have at it. But these baseless accusations look a bit unhinged.>>

There is no substance to his whining. His "baseless accusations" are "unhinged." That's the point.

[jgraz]

99. Have you been selected as the new CoS?

That's the only reason I can think that you would group yourself so explicitly with the President and the Vice President. Have you been officially authorized to speak for this administration?

You can say there's no substance, but there is substance. If we lose the House, it will be because too many elected Democrats and their enablers didn't understand that substance.

What you (and VP Biden and President Obama) don't get is the people who are going to stay home are not the ones you call the "malcontents" or "whiners". We're the ones (and I'm assuming you include me in that group) who are donating to and phonebanking for important progressive candidates and ballot measures. Just this week, I reached into my bank account (again) to give money to Feingold, Grayson and Perriello. And I spent most of last evening calling people about CA Prop 23. Cenk himself spends much of his show exhorting people to get out and vote.

No, the people we have to worry about are the first-time voters, the moderates and the youth voters. These are the people who were drawn into the process by Obama's promise of change, and those are the people who will have stayed away if we lose the House.

You can try to blame the "malcontents" all you want, but if we lose politically, it will be -- by definition -- due to the fact that the Democrats employed a losing political strategy. You can't support a losing strategy and expect to win.

[speppin]

110. well said.

[The Uncola]

77. Thank you Cenk.

May he keep right on fighting the good fight and the corporatist apologists get exactly what they deserve.

[AtheistCrusader]

79. Cenk is uncharacteristically whiny here...

which really kills the message. He is ACTUALLY being whiny. What's up with his voice today?

The message is technically spot on, and text transcript delivers it better than he does on camera. Very unusual for Cenk.

[jgraz]

81. Gotta agree with you there.

Hopefully, he'll watch the tape and make an adjustment to his presentation.

[lumpy]

91. I guess Obama was right in admonishing Democratic voters.

Most of the posts here have proved that this administration does not have the full support of party members. Disappointment, disillusionment, and discontent come from overly high expectations and the desire for instant satisfaction. This is the reality of politics in this imperfect democracy.

[EFerrari]

98. Support is a two way street, also a political reality. n/t

[Meshuga]

105. Excellent rant!

My feelings exactly and expressed so eloquently.

[BEZERKO]

111. That was brilliant!