Obama To Progressives: I WONT BE HELD To 'Some Abstract Ideal'

[Segami]

Run time: 03:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca0n_4oK70Q   Posted on YouTube: December 07, 2010 By YouTube Member: tpmtv Views on YouTube: 304   Posted on DU: December 07, 2010 By DU Member: Segami Views on DU: 2413

 
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[Deep13]

1. Go to hell, sir. nt

[Segami]

2. Are you directing your comment to me or the O man?

[Deep13]

6. As much as I like you, I doubt I'd call you "sir."

I meant the President.

[Segami]

7. LOL. Lets compromise.

[Faith No More]

37. Well Mr. President,

That just about does it for me. You have damaged the Democrat Party and the country as a whole and I now see what a fool I was to believe you actually meant what you said when you were campaigning. Please at least for once be man enough to let the party know as soon as possible that you'll be stepping aside so we can run a REAL progressive in 2012.

[phantom power]

3. you mean, an abstract ideal like "compromise"

bite me

[BeyondGeography]

4. Apparently, his own oft-stated campaign promise to end tax cuts for the rich

was an abstraction.

If you ever loved Obama, this was a tragic performance.

[Steve_I_Am]

27. Sad, indeed.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. Or ANY ideal.

[Deep13]

8. By "abstract ideal" he means ...

...the foundational principles of the Democratic Party.

[Demoiselle]

18. ALL ideals are abstract!

It's up to us to make them real. It's also up to our leaders.
That's it. I'm done.

[seabeyond]

9. i am really pissed tht obama caved on the taxes. i would have liked all taxes to expire. BUT

i really like obama in that clip and his tone, and go dude....

[ProfessionalLeftist]

10. And thus, you won't get our votes

Mr. Republican.

[slay]

11. And - I don't have to vote for YOU in 2012

serious WTF with this guy?!?! I will WRITE IN Bernie Sanders before Obama gets my vote in 2012. If I could go back in time and not vote for him to begin with, I would. :mad: :grr:

[griffi94]

12. wow

he very neatly let himself off the hook.
too bad that abstract notion was something he campaigned on.

[MisterP]

13. how about concrete ideals and real-life needs? nt

[seabeyond]

19. would those real life needs be unemployment and middle class tax break? nt

[Lorien]

14. It's against DU rules to say what I'm thinking nt

[Newest Reality]

15. Well, why are we holding ourselves to

the abstract idea of a President, Nation, etc.?

I haven't seen one in nature, yet. I can put a bunch of Presidents in a wheelbarrow, but they are just people with titular heads. I mean, we agree on these things in order to make them appear to be real.

Abstract ideas and ideals are pretty much the name of the whole human game, (unless dogs and squirrels have Dadistic dreams and Hegelian disputes) so it is then about who decides which ones we are held to and how they accomplish the feat of holding us to them. The strategy of convincing convictions is the foundation of the perception of power and control, ultimately.

Take off shoe before putting foot in mouth, Commander.

[WatchWhatISay]

16. When are we going to start talking about finding an alternative for 2012.

It will soon be too late, and I have no more hope left for Obama.

[slay]

24. +1

Dean, Grayson, Kucinich, BERNIE SANDERS, Feingold, - or anyone else who is actually a progressive and not an enabler of republicans the way Obama is.

Obama gave soooo many people hope after 8 horrible years of Bush - only to CRUSH that hope by bending over backwards to make sure Republicans get their way on just about everything. It makes me fucking sick! :puke:

[Steve_I_Am]

29. We've got lots of choices . . .

Howard Dean, Russ Feingold, Dennis Kucinich, Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Anthony Weiner, Nancy Pelosi, Alan Grayson, Elliott Spitzer, Sheldon Whitehouse. Pick one and encourage them to run!

[pleah]

17. Negotiate with thugs terrorists and berate you base.....

makes me sick.

[TwilightGardener]

20. That's actually the Obama I voted for. Rational, and just doing his best

with what he has to work with in this country.

[liberation]

39. Either I missed the sarcasm, or "rational" does not mean what you think it does...

:-)

[TwilightGardener]

41. Nope, no sarcasm. He just keeps on going, doing his best, no matter

how much moneky poo is flung around him.

[mrdmk]

21. Well, we just heard that from the horse's mouth!

There are no words for my emotions at this moment...

[harvey007]

22. Sickening and disgusting

:puke: :mad:

[xchrom]

23. Obama really isn't very smart. That's too bad -

Cause we really did some one smart in the oval office.

[texshelters]

25. Excuses but no listening and no introspection.

Why does Obama listen more to Republicans than his former base of supporters whom he dismisses?

Obama goes on about health care to cover his ass on giving in to the Republicans. What a maroon.

Yes, a “purist position”... How about not giving up at the first “boo!” from ANY Republican. How about standing for something, sometime, just once. That would help me believe. “It’s a big diverse country” so let’s give in right now before any debate!

History is full of excuses for you Obama, but when have you really stood firm and said, “I call your bluff?” Ever?

Stop trying to be liked President Obama, stop making excuses, just admit that you played this one wrong and start taking donations for your Presidential library. Garnering donations seems to be something you are good at.

It sad to see that you sill blame anybody but yourself for the mess YOU have created for yourself. I am starting to think that what you say is all for show and you were NEVER planning on ending the tax cuts for the rich, or the war, or repealing DADT, or....

How far would you like me to bend Sir?
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/its-time-to-bend-over-again/

Peace,
Tex Shelters

[Segami]

26. Words are cheap. Actions speak the loudest.

[tomm2thumbs]

28. 1 year from now, the Republicans will do the identical thing with Unemployment

what will they be 'negotiating' for then? It will be whatever they want - because he has now telegraphed exactly how he operates. It doesn't matter one iota whether the American public believes in an idea, or if it is the right thing to do - if unemployment benefits will be held hostage, he'll cave on whatever it is.

Go ahead Republicans - start putting together your wish list - because in exactly one year's time, you will be guaranteed to get what you want.

[axollot]

30. Oh I get it. Like the Public Option, the DEAL was done before it

went to the floor to not have it in there. LIKE THAT TALK?!?

*sigh*

Cheers
Sandy
(who's glad people will get UI as it's much needed but this is BS)

[gmiami]

31. Obama

I can't believe the President and person he has turned out to be. What a joke.

[fascisthunter]

32. you mean like chicago free-trade economics?

so far, whatever your ideals are, they are screwing us all...

[Chimichurri]

33. Randi Rhodes played this clip and agreed with this canard.

She's always defending this chump. I had to shut her off today - I've been a fan of hers for years but she always defending his nonsense and today I really saw her as a shill for first time.

[tickledropstop]

34. Breaks My Heart. I guess in 2012 he will reverse that stance for Campaigning

[vanbean]

35. It’s NOT a big diverse country in play here. It's the top 2%. And he's been bought and sold.

[quark219]

36. He simply DOES. NOT. GET. IT.

And I have a really hard time listening to him lecture about how he's focusing on "what's good for the American people." How on Earth does he have the gall to lecture his former followers who are guilty (in his view) of expecting him to at least TRY to fulfill one of the most important promises of his campaign?

[Xicano]

44. Actually I beg to differ. Allow me explain.

Remember when there were allegations about Obama not really meaning to re-negotiate or drop out of NAFTA and how that was just campaign lip service? Well, I think there was a whole lot of lip service spewing out of his mouth during his campaign.

In short he appears to me to get it just fine. Its just that we have been hoodwinked.

Well, that's what I think anyway...


Peace,
Xicano

[liberation]

38. Wow, really? For a person who campaigned on idealized abstract concepts like "Change" and "Hope"...

... Mr. Obama seems to believe that what was good for his goose is definitively out of the question for our gander.

Glad to see that he finds his backbone only when it comes to tell the left to go pound sand. LOL.

[frylock]

40. i have a shitload of obama swag plastered with abstract ideals..

i feel like a fucking idiot for enabling this clown.

[suzanner]

42. Shockingly uninformed.

He thinks the hlth care bill didn't hurt everyone who is forced to have private insurance by his allowing insurance companies cart blanche on premiums, deductibles, and "co-insurance" (just another word for co-pay only worse at 30%)? He thinks this bill will not cement the rich, nor give the Republicans all they wanted in the long run? He thinks Limbaugh and all the hugely wealthy NEED more money while the working poor just get ground down to powder some more? He thinks this will create jobs or bring jobs back into this country? Wow.

[slipslidingaway]

43. BS - You did not get health care for All Americans, in fact those who advocated...

health care for all Americans were not invited to your discussions.

:mad:

[Segami]

45. Look no further than the advisers Obama has DECIDED to surround himself with. Lets NOT CONFUSE

' academic intelligence with intuitive smarts ', a trait Obama has failed to command or demonstrate at every turn. He allowed himself to be led by the ears by self-serving GRIFTERS.

[jefferson_dem]

46. Thank you, Mr. President.

Do what's right for the country. Screw the sanctimonious cynics who celebrate purity over progress. :patriot:

[sasha031]

47. ...

[DeSwiss]

48. "I won't be held to some 'Abstract Ideal'"

Like "Hope?" Or maybe "Change?" How about "The Global War On Terror?"


- You fucking fraud. Same shit, different container.....

[Devil_Fish]

49. +1

[Nostalgic]

50. Obama is SQUANDERING his support base

and the opportunity to make real, positive change!