“Internet a very large-scale spying machine” – info leaking site co-founder

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Run time: 11:24 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRUiB_8tTc   Posted on YouTube: January 02, 2011 By YouTube Member: RussiaToday Views on YouTube: 1393   Posted on DU: January 03, 2011 By DU Member: WillYourVoteBCounted Views on DU: 3861

 
The video is very revealing and bears listening to in full. The main message though is that
secrecy is the enemy of democracy. Interesting question is why would military make its documents
so easily available to people who might "leak" it.

“Internet a very large-scale spying machine” – info leaking site co-founder

Russia Today. 29 December, 2010
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“Threats to democracy come from the secret keepers, and they need to be exposed. It has become a huge industry and it’s extremely expensive,” he said. “And you can’t criticize it, you can’t get access to it, because those who go inside that world are sworn to life-time secrecy about it and they can never talk about it.”

“This is a system which is anti-democratic and it’s a big business now. Thousands of firms have been drawn into it since 9/11, because it is very lucrative. We need to have less secrecy in Congress, less secrecy in the presidency, less secrecy in all forms of government,” he says.
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more here

[snagglepuss]

1. Why would military makes its documents easily available to those

who might leak it? Incompetence. Everything is smoke and mirrors. TSA makes makes headlines about new security measures yet a pilot films security breaches and says that airport is non-existent.

Read Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA by Tim Weiner. It's a real eyeopener.

[truedelphi]

15. I was warned several times in 2002 by ex-military specialist friends of mine

Not to take my medical device as a carry on aboard airplane flights. they said it would be recognized for being a hand held detonator - it looked very much like one.

I wanted it to go with me, as it was used as a pain relief device. Not once did anyone in TSA question this device.

This is worrisome. Although I would have hated losing the item, as it was expensive, the fact that not once did any security personnel even question me about it - what does that say about the TSA people that are there groping us?

It's all just Big Business, and not about any real security at all.

[RaleighNCDUer]

23. Wheels within wheels -

My first thought is they deliberately release a great amount of inconsequential information through 'leaks', then exaggerate what was released, prompting the shut-down of the internet. Internet is the last free news source available - it cannot be tolerated.

[freshwest]

2. What I've always thought. We've paid to have Big Brother move in with us and loved it.

We live and work in their 'matrix,' so to speak.

How else do we get to interact with each other on a level that was never before possible in the history of mankind?

I understand the OP and the importance of revealing secrets for the sake of 'democracy' or whatever it is we want to call it.

But we still seem to be very restrained, nonetheless.

[right2bfree]

3. Anyone who uses Facebook is a damn fool, IMO. Might as well give them your SS number too. n/t

[TalkingDog]

4. Even with a completely artificial persona?

Discretion, like other good hygiene, is a habit that needs to be cultivated.

[zonkers]

16. I agree, as long as u dont have regular correspondence w/ friends who are not "cloaked"

Also, if records are kept ad infinitem and if your artificial persona was ever compromised, it would be a cinch to backtrack and follow your footsteps. So much for discretion.

[TalkingDog]

17. Circumstantially they could connect me to me.

But I think they might have difficulty with proof. (barring a search of my computers... but that's what electromagnets are for)

[right2bfree]

30. Bingo!! Why not use e-mail? Its way lots safer and its not public. nt

[axollot]

22. Discretion can happen under ones own name too. With few exceptions

most people really only know my opinions on current events on fb. I try to be private and discrete when mentioning anything too personal on fb. Random things after the fact.

Cheers
Sandy

[right2bfree]

28. Yeah, Thats OK as long as you use a fake e-mail address too. nt

[Voice for Peace]

5. "they" already HAVE our social security numbers.

:rofl:

[freshwest]

11. Thanks, I'm glad you're hip to all of this!

Of course they have our social security numbers, etc.. That comes from the IP address.

When you get internet service from a telecom or cable company, they got all that information from you directly. After all, they had to check you out to see if you're good for the bill.

Or indirectly from your payments. No matter if it's the infamous Bogeyman/Bank of America or your friendly local credit union, they have your social security number and credit score.

That is computed off how you're handling your money on bills, how many insurance claims you make, but also how much money you keep in your bank account, too.

And they have the address you live at. And the system you're running on your computer right now and the programs you have. Every update for security may be for gathering more intel.

And the cell phones.. don't get me started about the cellphones... And wireless computers, snatch your thoughts right out of the air with no warrant required.

Not that they're coming to get us... yet.... Muahaha!

Oh, well, Peace and Love to our Overlords, as always...

[Voice for Peace]

20. luckily I have a clean conscience.

[freshwest]

26. Hopefully, the person with your data does too.

[Voice for Peace]

27. haha good point.

[right2bfree]

32. I overwrite free space and all data every week or less. Call me paraniod. nt

[right2bfree]

31. Good for you. Tell that to the innocent men and women in prisons. nt

[right2bfree]

29. I honestly dont see your piont about SS numbers. nt

[Voice for Peace]

33. I think you suggested that by using Facebook,

people's privacy was exposed in such a way that they
might as well just give out their social security numbers.

Since the post you replied to was talking about living
in the world of "Big Brother" -- I inferred you also meant
"them" to be the government.

But it is "big brother" who issued our social security
numbers in the first place.

About a clean conscience - I believe that when a person is
unjustly imprisoned, it is a clean conscience, more than
anything else, that sustains them. However I don't mean to
minimize the wrongness of being framed.

Hope this all makes sense and that I'm replying to the
right person -- these sub-threads get confusing sometimes.

[right2bfree]

34. If anyone unjustly convicts an innocent person, the DA needs to go to jail...

and maybe some jurors, as well.

Wasted time in prison can cost an innocent person many years of their
life's and that has to be paid for somehow.

[Poll_Blind]

6. It's worth 12 minutes of your life to listen to what Young has to say.

I've been reading Cryptonme since sometime in the late 90's and it's a site worth visiting.

PB

[postalanthrax]

7. Another paradigm for obtaining more funding?

Sounds like that is what he is describing.

Were the anthrax mailings in the wake of 9/11 an attempt by the bio-warfare community to obtain more funding?

[freshwest]

12. Only if you consider the writers of the Patriot Act in that community...

As soon as the mailings occurred, the Congress lost its spine and would have signed on to shipping all the water on the planet to Mars or any other bill that was put in front of them. Panic really gets the legislature process moving along fast.

[Land Shark]

8. K&R interesting to consider... nt

[chervilant]

9. hmm...

Sounds like the PTB are moving right along with their takeover of the internet.

[felix_numinous]

10. Excellent interview.

The art of manipulating information has reached ridiculous proportions, it works against democracy by working to erode trust and confidence in our government, not the other way around.

The saying, 'Oh what a tangled web we weave, when our aim is to deceive' seems to have new meaning.

[TatonkaJames]

13. How can anyone disagree with John Young when...

Every day we read in the media after meetings of the president, congressmen, senators or committees there's always
an "Unidentified source close to the" who gives out the info that was covered in the meetings ?
They want all the sane people to look crazy and all the lunatics sane.
It's really quite simple to see who's right or wrong.
Look over the past 50 years and ask yourself, with all the promises year after year by candidates and representatives
who tell us how things have to be done and have been getting their way for half a decade, then how can things be so bad ?
Example;
If Reaganomics and the "trickle down theory" worked, then where are all the jobs ? We should all be happy with money to spend frivolously.
But we don't. Why ? Because it's proven it doesn't work. How hard is that to understand and yet, we keep electing the same old garbage
in. All this shows me is how their main objective, cutting education to dumb us down, is working because when I talk to D's or R's alike,
they don't see it or get it. When I ask has your cost of living gone down in the past decade they say no but it's always the other party's fault.
No, it's all their fault, except for a few like Bernie Sanders. But one man can't change the system. Look at Obama, he changed and broke
promises.
The empire has already toppled, we're just waiting for the dust to start choking us more.

[Kaleko]

21. Right on.

And a belated welcome to DU.

[TatonkaJames]

35. Thank You

Great place and different from the others where you can't have civil discourse.

[axollot]

24. Well said! Remember "trickle down" has been a fabulous success in

the eyes of the wealthiest! They've got more money and disposable income power than any time over the last 100yrs. So if you think of it from TPTB, the made and met their goal - disintegrate the middle class for even cheaper labor/wage suppression on a larger scale.

We keep thinking they care about the country, they care about GREED.

Sad really. More than enough to keep them rich while not killing the USA's middle-class, education etc. Greed will get to them too, those 2% wont stop at the lower/middle classes, they'll not be happy till they have ALL of it. Wealthier and wealthier people will further condense the power/money/land. After they wring the middle classes bone dry they'll come for the next income bracket up.

Cheers
Sandy

[TatonkaJames]

36. Thank You

Reading what you wrote, I had to think if it was mine or your post. :hippie:
This place is full of wonderful people, it's great to be a member with you all.

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended, that was an excellent interview.

Thanks for the thread, WillYourVoteBCounted.

[xchrom]

18. recommend

[FreedomFeed]

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[bertman]

25. Very interesting. Thanks for posting this. REC. nt