RT: America's "Final Solution"

[maxkeiser]

Run time: 00:40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlFfxWbi5eI   Posted on YouTube: January 03, 2011 By YouTube Member: RussiaToday Views on YouTube: 101   Posted on DU: January 03, 2011 By DU Member: maxkeiser Views on DU: 1605

 

[Atman]

1. "Thanks, Obama, you freakin' Nazi!" Seriously?

Unrec just for that...although I wanted to rec it because people should see it just for the stupidity.

[crim son]

2. As an educated woman who lost her health insurance and

cannot find a full time job with benefits without selling my home and uprooting my kids from the town they've lived in since close to infancy(and perhaps not even then, who knows?), I don't find it particularly stupid. In September I was diagnosed with asthma that is not controllable by the usual meds. Today I lost my job because I've missed too many days due to the inability to breathe and therefore speak (I was a CSR). It has occurred to me again and again over the last several months that I am indisputably disposable in today's America, because I left a husband who physically and emotionally abused my kids as did his father before him, and his grandfather before that. I have broken the cycle but it has cost me everything. And the ex? He's just fine, thanks. Employed, insured and currently in Europe doing a little sightseeing.

There is no way a situation like mine could be called unforeseen but it is common and holds no interests for the folks who are dismantling/redesigning our health care system. And I resent the hell out of Obama and the dems for selling me out to the rethugs. He isn't a Nazi, but people like me are going to slowly die out of the system. What would you call it?

[Atman]

3. "He isn't a Nazi...What would you call it?"

I would call it many things, but as you stated yourself, he isn't a Nazi. The Nazis who systematically gassed 6 million Jews were Nazis. President Obama is a pol with whom you have some serious disagreements, but to call him a Nazi is ridiculous.

[Grinchie]

7. Nazi/Corporate Tool.. It's all stems from the same root.

The Nazi's were very cozy with the monied Corporate interests during their rise to power. What makes you think that history is not repeating itself?

It is all very convenient to talk about defecits and the need for austerity, but the reality is that the Defense budget coninues unabated without any significant "Austerity" measures. In fact, it grows ever larger despite the majority of Americans be hung out to dry as our infrastructure, food supply, transportation systems, and industry are bled dry, depleted, or worn out.

Sorry charlie, but Max Keiser has uttered the essence of what is going on. If you want to fight Semantic word battles while ignoring that the outcome is generally the same, then go right ahead.

The truth of the matter is that we are seeing a good system dismantled because it is no longer convenient for the ones that hold power. We are now seeing a hammer fisted power structure taking control. One that demands total obedience or the populace will suffer, and the examples are being made as we speak, such as the 50 million uninsured, the jobless, the concentration of wealth, the removal of basic human rights, unending wars, ad nauseum.

Obama is just a figurehead. A symbol. Nothing more. He says what he is told to say, and nothing more.

[Capitalocracy]

8. Disagree on one point.

The power does not demand obedience or the populace will suffer. It doesn't care. The populace will suffer either way.

And btw, ibtl.

[ooglymoogly]

11. So what is the criteria for being a Nazi?

Killing 6 million Jews cruely and unjustly...is that the criteria? What about killing one person cruelly and unjustly, does that make one a Nazi.

How bout sending unmanned drones to kill specific targets with thousands of innocents dead in "collateral damage". Does that make one a Nazi.

How bout cruelly killing a million innocent Iraqi citizens in a bogus war and destroying the lives of millions more and leaving them to fend for themselves; maimed starving, dying and broken; no clean water, no electricity, no heat, no food and not giving a flying fuk about it. Does that make one a Nazi?

Then covering up for those war crimes as if they did not happen. Does that make one a Nazi?

How bout shooting innocent civilians in the streets of Baghdad like rats in the desert and then covering it up. Does that make one a Nazi?

How bout stealing money from trust funds the elderly have diligently saved all their lives; to pay for the lavish lifestyles of the inordinately wealthy; leaving the elderly homeless, without health care and in the streets. Does that make one a Nazi.

The term Nazi may not be the exact term in this instance but the Nazi's did pretty much the same thing as * did and 0 after him and tried to covered up those atrocities.

Maybe we will find a new term that is just as egregious.

It is time to take off the blinders and see what is happening to this country.

[Atman]

14. Come up with a new term if you must. But Obama is not a Nazi.

Semantics? Don't think so. I completely agree that things are really fucked up now, but that doesn't make Obama a Nazi and it doesn't make our government Nazis. Come up with a clever new term, but don't call them Nazis. It's not accurate, it's not true, and it does no one any good.

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[Capitalocracy]

18. ...

In this video I give my view on making comparisons with Nazis and why we should absolutely do it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szQOf7uH8II

[Grinchie]

21. I believed you nailed the essence of what I was trying to say -- It's all the same.

I find it amazing that people will get hung up on the semantics of a particular word and lose sight of the whole in the process.

To me, it shows that most people have very little ability to use abstract concepts to see the patterns emerging in front of their own eyes.

I agree with all you say regarding the criteria. The examples are real and concrete, yet I am sure that some people would not see the similarities because they have a certain perception of what "Nazi" means.

We could say, Hollywoods portrayal of Nazi? Or the portrayal of the Nazi's that supervised my grandmother in WW II. Who do you trust? THe people that were there, or the Hollywood version that is designed for Entertainment purposes as well as propaganda.

It's just another label. I'm sure Hun's, Turks, and the Mongols had their place in the label world.

We are not being represented anymore, and that is clearly obvious. We need to stop funding the wars, and the only way I know to do it is to not work for any corporation in order to avoid taxes.

Strangely enough, it forces one to learn how to provide most everything for themselves, and after 8 years of doing this, I would never go back to the rat race - ever. It was challenging at first, but it provides a freedom that cannot be explained.

If only more people had the courage to try to simplify and see for themselves what it takes to provide Food, Water and Shelter for themselves, and stick to it to the point where you have all the luxuries that are normally "Earned" by slaving for someone else, then we would be able to stop these wars.

The one driving force in all of the crimes you specify in your post is money and power mixed with psycopathic authoritarianism..

[silenttigersong]

22. Exellent post

:toast: it reminds me of brown shirts,perhaps this will brighten the tea party folks up although I doubt it.

[Capitalocracy]

6. Asthma really sucks.

I feel for you. And I hope you can manage to avoid an emergency room visit that destroys you financially and puts you in debt for the rest of your life.

I'm sorry, but every industrialized nation offers its people health care. Universal access to health care is the norm around the world that most nations, even if they don't achieve, strive for, rather than attempt to restrict as we do here. OK, maybe they don't do it because they want, like the Nazis did, to kill millions of people. But they know that they are killing millions of people with these policies, and they are doing it just to make money. The comparison is 100% appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szQOf7uH8II

[Saxon]

9. for crim son

Could you tell me what is a CSR?

thank you in front.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

13. Customer Service Rep

[ooglymoogly]

15. I feel for you, folks don't realize how debilitating asthma can be.

It is like the worst flu you can be infected with, almost constantly. I have found regular over the counter 12 hr cold medicine helps out immensely for flareups especially through the night. You should consult a Chines medicine practitioner if you can hack it (no pun intended). I find the inhalers nearly useless and prednisone dangerous. I would tell you what they will prescribe but I don't know if that is legal. Chinese medicine is strictly regulated in this country.

[ooglymoogly]

19. sorry wron place

[ooglymoogly]

20. If you have not already gone the herbal or chinese route

try starting on this page.

http://www.drshen.com/herbsforasthma.htm

http://www.essortment.com/articles/chinese-herbs-asthma-symptoms_102307.htm

sometimes you can find this stuff on Ebay.

[midnight]

10. K&R

[irislake]

12. How 'bout fascist or sociopath or murderous war-wongering

smooth talking con job?

The will of the American people means nothing to him. Probably doesn't lose any sleep over those who suffer because of his actions or inaction.

[Mark D.]

4. No

He's not a Nazi, and I don't think Max thinks so either. It's hyperbole folks. Don't overreact.
While aware of government overstepping, much of what Max stands for is common-sense liberalism.

It's allowed him to have good rapport with totally anti-government folks like Alex Jones, who's
actually right about a lot of things, but not as often as Max who I agree with 99% of the time.

The phrase 'Nazi' sounds draconian, or 'heavy handed' to some here, right? Well, guess what...?
If Obama wanted, by executive decree he could institute a public option, side-stepping the GOP.

But, he won't do it. Too radical? It would be brave, it would reclaim his base, it would be fun
to see the GOP try to fight that in court actively against affordable health care for all then.

What an easy way to humiliate them as they actively pursue a way to shut down something that is
going to have a huge stimulative effect on the economy (what is saved there is spent elsewhere).

[Capitalocracy]

5. When Alex Jones is right, it's usually for the wrong reason. nt

[bvar22]

16. Obama is NOT a "NAZI",

and it does not help to call him one.

Like Bill Clinton, he IS a willing tool of the Ownership Class who can sound like a Populist in his speeches,
but after all the Drama & Theater, the MONEY will STILL be flowing to the pockets of the RICH in ever greater proportions.

QED, Health Care Reform

[90-percent]

17. a comment

oggly moogly said:

"How bout cruelly killing a million innocent Iraqi citizens in a bogus war and destroying the lives of millions more and leaving them to fend for themselves; maimed starving, dying and broken; no clean water, no electricity, no heat, no food and not giving a flying fuk about it."

I think all the Iraqi's that died from excessive American "liberation" are all saying to their dead selves; "At least we weren't killed by a Nazi!"

-90% Jimmy

[booley]

23. This is why Godwin's law was invented

Obama could be doing horrible things and the people criticizing him could be making really good points.

But once the word "nazi" (or anything that implies Nazi), none of that matters. People's brains turn off. Any good points made get lost under "He didn't kill 6 million jews" and the whole thing devolves into hyperbole.

For the record I don't think Obama is a nazi. I don't' even think he's the worst president we have ever had or even the 30th worst president we've ever had. I certainly have no secret wish to see a President Palin.

But he has done some things that are just really sucky. We should and need to be able to discuss this without comparing him to Hitler.