Automatic Glock in action

[Ruby the Liberal]

Run time: 01:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI   Posted on YouTube: August 13, 2006 By YouTube Member: Hank44 Views on YouTube: 7006612   Posted on DU: January 10, 2011 By DU Member: Ruby the Liberal Views on DU: 3026

 
I am sorry gun fans, but there is NO valid reason that this weapon should be legal for CCW.

NONE.

This isn't about 'hunting' or 'protection', it is about destruction. Plain and simple.

[targetpractice]

1. Dear Lord...

Wow... This makes me think Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, mental illness, and Arizona politics are distractions... The real issue is... Why in the hell do we allow easy access to guns like this?!?!

[stevenelijah]

6. wow

"easy access"..a glock 18?????

google is your friend.

[targetpractice]

7. Whatever... The post and context implies this is the weapon used in Tuscon..

Enlighten me.

[stevenelijah]

13. The shooter used a glock 19

The shooter used a glock 19...considered by many pd's to be underpowered.

[Ruby the Liberal]

14. Tucson was semi-auto glock. This is full=auto glock,.

OP (me) was just pointing out the power.

[Tejas]

2. Who on earth CCW's a full-auto handgun?

The same folks that you think carry full-auto bazookas?

[targetpractice]

3. Exactly...

That's the issue... This mentally unstable man should have never had access to a gun in the first place.

[Tejas]

4. "This mentally unstable man" - the guy in the video?

Who is he?

And who cares?

[Ruby the Liberal]

8. Don't know and don't care. The POINT is the capability of the weapon

which was clearly demonstrated.

[targetpractice]

10. Is the the weapon used by Jared Lee Loughner?

I assumed so.. Otherwise why was this posted?

I was referring to Jared Loughner as being mentally unstable.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

31. No it was not

[handmade34]

5. OMFG

I am not a gun person... :wow:

[Ruby the Liberal]

11. Me either. Why is this legal?

What role does this weapon potentially play other than mass destruction?

Hells bells, even those who hunt would have to admit that this WMD wouldn't leave so much as a burger out of their 'prey'.

[Travis_0004]

15. ITS NOT LEGAL

Machine guns were banned in 1986. No new samples have been produced for civilian use in 25 years.

Some are still out there from before the ban, but they spend most of their time in the gun safe.

[Travis_0004]

9. Whats your point? (I would unrec it twice if I was allowed to)

There are 0 glock 18's legally in civilian hands. The actual number is not disclosed by the ATF. There are rumors of 2-3 in civilian hands, so there may be a few, but they can probably be counted in one hand.

0.

There are ways of law enforcement agencies getting a hold of them, some very select Firearms dealer can get a hold of them, but even then its difficult.

You simply can not walk into a gun store and buy a glock 18. Its not for sale, and never will be.

So I ask, what is your point?

[Ruby the Liberal]

16. I know nothing about guns. My point was that an auto (or semi-auto)

has NO BUSINESS being licensed as CCW. None.

[Travis_0004]

18. So we should CCW a single shot gun

As 2 days ago proves, people do stupid things. Do you think a law that said "don't carry any guns" would have made him leave his gun at home?

If you don't think people should have semi auto guns, then post a video of a semi auto gun. Otherwise you just look like an idiot.

[Name removed]

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[Travis_0004]

26. England has just about banned guns

There were less guns in England (per capa) before they banned them. They are even an island, so keeping guns out should be easy. But their crime rate has risen since gun control has been in effect.

If we could turn on a force field, that would vaporize all guns, then I might agree with your gun control logic, but the fact is banning guns causes more crime. Honest citizens follow the law, and are thus unarmed with gun control. Criminals don't give a shit about the law, so if we ban guns, the only thing we accomplish is taking fear away from the criminals.

What happened 2 days ago is tragic, but the fact remains that banning guns simply will not solve all of our problems.

[Ruby the Liberal]

29. No argument.

Ban bullets.

Problem solved.

[spin]

32. Hell I can make bullets ...

no problem at all. So can a lot of other people in this country.

I started out using a Lee Loader.



Amazon.com sells this kit for $25.65
http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Loader-Kit-38-Special/dp/B00162RS7O/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1294632091&sr=8-13

You can produce high quality, very accurate ammo using this kit or you can move up to a more expensive rig that will produce ammo at a much faster rate.

[Ruby the Liberal]

33. Dear God.

Stop the planet. I want off.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

34. Won't work banning bullets. Because a lot of people make or load their own.

If you look it up, even you can do it. You can also make your own gun. All someone has to do is google it.

[Ruby the Liberal]

36. Frightening.

Truly.

[spin]

47. I probably made twenty or thirty thousand rounds during the time I was reloading ...

.38, .357 Magnum, .45 acp,.45 Auto Rim, .45 Long Colt and .44 magnum.

I still have all the equipment necessary to start up once again.

None of these bullets injured any living creature. They merely punched holes in paper targets.

[X_Digger]

42. That's kinda obvious..

Let me put this into perspective using an analogy more folks would be familiar with

If someone had plowed into a crowd of bystanders with a honda prelude, and then someone posted a video of a honda formula one race car- that would be akin to what this post is.

[wtmusic]

21. The point is: do you support gun control, or not?

Isn't banning Glock 18s a violation of the Second Amendment?

[Ruby the Liberal]

27. "well regulated" seems to get lost in the mix of the whole militia argument...

[targetpractice]

12. Is this the weapon used by Jared Lee Loughner?

If not, why post this?

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. No and to show the speed and power of auto for those of us

who aren't gun nuts.

AZ assassin used a semi-auto. Many people are asking how he got so many shots off.

Asked and answered.

[Travis_0004]

22. And why does the power of full auto matter?

The last time a gun was made full auto intended for civilian purchases was 1986.

[lumberjack_jeff]

24. Non sequitur.

If you acknowledge that this isn't the gun he used, how is it explanatory of why he fired so many shots in a short period of time?

A semi auto can fire pretty quickly if you don't care about aiming.

[Ruby the Liberal]

25. "A semi auto can fire pretty quickly if you don't care about aiming."

Exactly my point.

Sorry, not a gun fan. I would have found a slower video had I cared about the nuances.

Bottom line is that autos should not be legal for CCW. How many lives would have been saved?

Better question - of what benefit are auto/semi-auto weapons?

Seriously.

[lumberjack_jeff]

41. "Bottom line is that autos should not be legal for CCW. How many lives would have been saved?"

Zero, since they're already illegal and it isn't what he used.

Basic fundamental honesty and logic isn't a nuance.

In the sense you understand it, almost every modern pistol and most shotguns and rifles are semi-auto.

[targetpractice]

28. I watched and got a totally false impression of the event...

He loaded three cartridges (or whatever) within twelve seconds. I was wondering why more people weren't fatally wounded... NOW I KNOW... Jared wasn't using this gun! Thanks for the misinformation.

[Old Codger]

19. No civilian

In USA has a CCW permit for that gun, you cannot go out and buy that gun anywhere in USA without special ATF permit... Showing that video here and intimating that that is/was the gun used in Ar. is wrong in so many ways and is only meant to make the debate on gun rights harder to partake in.... You apparently hate guns and are against CCW and you have that right but outright lies make your stance untenable...

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. Okay.

This post has something to do with current events... how?

It's not legal. No one here is saying it should be.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

30. Its not...and its not what was used. This is just inflamatory tripe on your part

[Ruby the Liberal]

35. So, can you show what semi-auto weapons can do?

And, any defense on why they should be not only legal but CCW approved?

What are the benefits?

[jjewell]

40. Ruby: Here's a link,,,

to a SEMI-AUTO Glock in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvqDtOxH14Y

[spin]

44. O.K. here's a video on a Glock 19 with extended and regular magazines ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FIEmPxRDeM

The Glock 19 with an extended magazine would be difficult to carry concealed.

In Florida most people with permits do not carry full sized handguns such as a Glock 19. They are heavy and hard to conceal under summer clothes.

I carry a five shot S&W Model 642 .38 special in a pocket holster.



In the winter months I sometimes carry a five shot S&W Model 60 .357 mag revolver in an inside the waist band holster.



My daughter carries a 7 shot S&W Model 351PD .22 mag revolver.



My son in law carries either a Glock 27 .40 caliber with a 9 round magazine or a .380 Ruger LCP with a 9 round magazine



Glock 27


Ruger LCP

My daughter and I personally like revolvers, many other shooters prefer semi-auto handguns.

[Peregrine]

53. I carry either a Glock 19

or a Glock 39, .45 GAP w/ 6 round mag. The 39 uses the 27 frame with a 30 barrel and slide.

[jjewell]

37. Ruby: You should educate yourself...

on the difference between "semi-auto" and "fully-auto" weapons
before posting a video like this.

Loughner did not use a "fully-auto" Glock as your video depicts.
he used a "semi-auto" Glock 19, which, by definition, can only
fire ONE shot per trigger pull.

You wouldn't use a machine gun to illustrate the power of a
single shot rifle, would you?

[Ruby the Liberal]

39. Help me understand then

How is a semi-auto any different from a single shot pistol then? He unloaded a 31 bullet clip before anyone could get to him.

[jjewell]

43. You can't load 31 bullets...

into a single shot revolver. But you can purchase
an extended clip or drum magazine for a semi or
fully automatic weapon, as shown in your video.

The thing is, a semi-automatic can only fire
as fast as you can pull the trigger for each
shot, whereas a fully automatic requires only
one trigger pull to empty its magazine...

[lumberjack_jeff]

45. This is a glock 19

Like almost all handguns, it is semi-auto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri5AyXzxb4o

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

51. Go to 4:30 in video to see a rapid-fire sequence n/t

[spin]

38. If you plan to murder someone why would you worry about breaking a CCW law?

The punishment for murder is a lot stiffer than for illegally carrying a concealed weapon.

The Glock 18 is not sold to civilians in this country.

Glock 18's are "post sample" guns which means they are made after 1986 and are only for sale to government AGENCIES and law enforcement AGENCIES. Class 3 dealers can own them but only to use as samples for demonstration purposes. Individual officers can not own them To become a class 3 dealer, you first have to get an FFL (federal firearms license) then, you pay a $500 SOT (special occupational tax) & you can then buy full autos. In order for a class 3 dealer to buy a "post sample" gun, he has to have a letter from a law enforcement or government AGENCY requesting a demonstration. Then he has to list what other agencys he plans to demonstrate the gun to. All that is sent to the BATFE & he waits for the approval. The SOT tax is $500 PER YEAR. Class 3 dealers don't pay the tax on each gun they buy unless it comes in on a form 4 transfer. If a class 3 decides he doesn't want to renew his SOT, he must dispose of ALL post sample guns BEFORE his SOT expires. The glock 18's you see on youtube are the ones that the class 3 dealers have to use as samples.
I know this is correct because I am a class 3 dealer.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080901135627AA8pTj6

[donco]

46. Give me five minutes in my machine shop

and I could make any simi auto into a full auto, including your dad’s old shotgun. Don’t mean you could hit anything with it, or that it will work the next time you want to use it but it would look deadly on youtube.

Notice the…I believe it was the third clip when the goober attempted to chamber the round after he ran the first couple of clips thru?

Goober got his pinkey burnt. Not good for a weapon as tight as a glock,the next stop will be barrel replacement and a couple of other parts as well.

[baldguy]

48. Guns are made to kill; handguns are made to kill people.

The only reason to own a handgun is if you're planning on killing another human being.

[Devil_Fish]

49. Did that gun jam on the final mag?? NT

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

50. Video of semi-automatic Glock 19

Video of semi-automatic Glock 19

Here's information on the Glock 19: link

The shooter in the video is experienced and using either the standard 15 bullet clip or the optional 17. Notice how long it takes him to change clips. There might have been less death and injuries if Loughner had been limited to the smaller clip instead of the 33 bullet clip he used.

[howard112211]

52. I bet it is not a coincidence that the magazine at 50sec looks like a pair of testicles.

And after emptying it he has a look on his face as if he had just ejaculated.