Tucson Hero Blasts Right Wing ON FOX - Jaw Dropping!

[ProudProgressiveNow]

Run time: 02:11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y6ipfbsndk   Posted on YouTube: January 10, 2011 By YouTube Member: SantiagoJJJr Views on YouTube: 2   Posted on DU: January 10, 2011 By DU Member: ProudProgressiveNow Views on DU: 10309

 
I could not believe it went out over Fox News!

[democracy1st]

1. K & R don't forget to checkout the Megan Kelly interview with the sheriff!

[Clydetwitch]

60. Thx for this....

made my day.

[ArizonaLiberal]

2. Love that lady! N/T

[CmonMan]

3. Wow.

[AzJusticeFreedom]

4. Thank God.....

that the truth about Arizona is getting out!

[Grassy Knoll]

5. Wow,They must hate Shep......LOL. n/t

[MsPithy]

6. You go get 'em, Patricia Maisch!

A true American hero, calmly dives into the belly of the beast ( Fox channel ) and tells the truth to their faces.

[la la]

10. i was lying down- felt crappy--

maybe it was because the teevee was tuned to faux---but i heard ms. maisch and i did a lot of arm waving, yelling *YES* and fist pumping in the air---you rock, ms. maisch!

( i actually wondered why she would even allow herself to be 'interviewed' by faux--but she really came through for the rest of us!)

[niceypoo]

7. A rather abrupt, "Goodbye!" from her at the end

She was definitely disgusted with the whole negative RW shebang.

[barbtries]

8. i think i would have felt a little

damp and dirty, with the way the interviewer was fawning and drooling. she was great. he pretended she didn't say that!

[dschmott]

9. 33-round magazines / Assault Weapons Ban Expiration

In case any of you haven't found out yet, the clown that pulled the trigger in this tragedy was enabled by the gun lobby and lack of political will to keep the ban on assault weapons legislation in place. The crazy kid used a legal 33 round magazine in his semi automatic hand gun while shooting and killing all of those poor people. 33 rounds went off before this troubled kid had to try to reload - the point when he was tackled and stopped.

To deflect attention from fault they will call the kid crazy, the situation an unfortunate tragedy and likely some other obvious truths. Clearly the issue is reasonable gun regulation. Unfortunately, regulation and reason doesn't sit well with the types that are o.k. with the makers and distributors of the very weapons used to commit this act keeping the profits that were made ruining all of those lives.

Is there any legitimate purpose for anyone (sane or insane) to have 33 round magazines?

[AtheistCrusader]

12. You realize that said magazines existed prior to the ban.

And that the ban only stopped the manufacture of new ones? So many had been manufactured, all the ban did was make a $20 piece of stamped sheet metal with a spring in it sell for $60. It did not prohibit posession, or sale of new or used mags, as long as they were made prior to the ban going into effect. (And with such a limitation, how hard is it to 'counterfiet' 'old' mags when any middle school metal shop in the country is fully equipped with everything needed to mass produce them?)

The 1994 AWB would probably not have slowed this guy down. If he could afford a 600$+ handgun, he could afford a $60 magazine.


My Springfield mags hold 15. Takes me a second to reload. Difference is, I'm not a batshit crazy kid, slurping at the hate trough, filled by cretins like Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and so on.

[MODem75]

18. Then all high capacity magazines should be banned from production.

and possession. Why on earth does someone need 33 rounds in a handgun?

[CLANG]

19. If you were going to mass murder, you may need it. Only reason I can think of.

[Divernan]

36. Or if attacked by a colony of killer rabbits?

No self-respecting hunters use semi-automatics in their pursuit of wildlife. These weapons were designed to kill, originally in wars/battles, but in some states can now be carried concealed into movie theaters, malls, churches, parks - by power-tripping weaklings. Having a gun in their pocket compensates for the lack of much else in that general vicinity. Cheaper than buying a red sports car.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. Yes, semi-autos are the most popular sports rifles and handguns in the country.

Far and away. Generally, the type of game you are hunting, and the license you procured for it, specifies how many rounds you may have in the weapon. (Often the limit is 5 rounds in rifles, 3 for most waterfowl/shotgun uses)

[molly77]

54. Just saw on Democracy Now that Arizona has something like

5 beds for 100,000 mental patients. Second to the worst in the country. Nevada holds that distinction.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Convenience.

You'll note that actual militaries use no such thing, because it is not reliable, and really doesn't improve the lethality of the weapon.

Civilians use them for target practice, and that's about it. You don't have to reload as often.


Hypothesis: Had he been using normal 15 or 17 round magazines that fit properly within the weapon, no one would have had time to tackle him while reloading. Takes about a second, to a second and a half to reload with a proper mag. These extended contraptions don't reload as well. He was probably futzing with it when he got tackled.


Significant opposition to the AWB might have been eroded, if the 'high capacity ammunition feeding device' nonsense had simply limited the magazines at the proper manufacturer size for the weapon, not extending beyond the buttplate. Limiting them to 10 rounds was silly, and a major source of vexation.

[dschmott]

25. Given your logic, why not allow machine guns and 250 round magazines?

What you call 'high capacity ammunition feeding device' nonsense contributed significantly to this ass clown's ability to rip off 33 rounds before being stopped. Those who enabled the crazy kid bear a very clear responsibility for what happened and what will happen again in the future. It not unpredictable that someone will go crazy again or that something like this will happen again.

Target practice, convenience, gun owners vexation at reloading is reason to subject everyone to the risk of being in the wrong place when a crazy decides to spray a bunch of bullets? My problem with so many gun owners/advocates see their own insanity. On your hypothesis...my friend is a cop. He and two other officers put down a crazy who unloaded a 45 at them when they arrived at a night club dispute. Can you guess what that wounded crazy was trying to do as he lay dying and my brother had to step on his hands ... reload.

I would also argue that opposition to the AWB and other reasonable efforts to regulate guns are another problem associated to our system of our political system being ruined by high dollar legalized bribery/special interest donations. In this case from our friends at the NRA. I gave a quick check to the NRA web page and about all I see there is that their "thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this senseless tragedy". Funny I don't see an apology to any of the 18 people struck by bullets or any acceptance of responsibly on their web page? Maybe I'm just cynical but is it really a jump to conclusion if I were to bet that the majority of their thoughts and prayers are not with the victims (6 killed/12 wounded) but how their political machine is going to evade responsibility for this high profile tragedy.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. I don't really give a rip about the NRA.

There's about 80 million gun owners in this country, and the NRA claims about 4 million members. Big whoop.

Again, and you either didn't take my point, or you missed it, a normal magazine is extremely fast to reload. A piece of crap like what he used, hanging 8 inches out of the bottom of the gun is not fast to reload. If it were worth using, some military, somewhere in the world, would be using them. They don't. There's a reason.

And again with the machine gun canard. Machine guns have been tightly regulated since 1934, regulation doesn't get much tighter. You pay 200 bucks for the privelidge, random inspection by the BATFE, full background check with fingerprints, and you register it. Also, no new automatic weapons, since 1986 have been sold to civilians, because the registry was closed by the Hughes amendment.

'Pro gun' people like the NRA do not advocate repealing the 1934 NFA that resulted in this. The NRA helped craft that law, in fact. All they want is the registry re-opened.

So the 'machine gun' thing fails completely, sorry.

[dschmott]

34. The NRA is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the US

The NRA is widely recognized by many as the most powerful lobbying organization in the country...and pour millions of dollars into manipulating our gun laws. So the big woop I give is that these 4 million members dismantle and prevent reasonable gun control measures like limiting magazine capacities on firearms. Do you really think that it is responsible or in the best interest of the public for the AR-15, Barrett, Five Seven, 33 round magazines and the are other weapons to be available to the likes of Jared Lee Loughner or even Sarah Palin? The NRA does. Do we really know how many of these guns end up being used by drug cartels or non-psychotic crazies? I think its time for this nonsense to stop.

Maybe even the NRA agrees reasonable (or indefensible) that machine guns be available to the general public. What about a weapon makes it more lethal than a semi automatic weapon with a large magazine? I'm obviously not a gun law expert but generally ascertain that with a machine gun you are able to sustain a suppressive rates of fire for extended periods of time?

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You'll note that actual militaries use no such thing, because it is not reliable, and really doesn't improve the lethality of the weapon.
<What the guy just did is evidence that fast firing (or quick reloading guns) are and will be a problem that should be more strictly and reasonably regulated.>

Civilians use them for target practice, and that's about it. You don't have to reload as often.
<Why should the public assume the associated risk?>

Hypothesis: Had he been using normal 15 or 17 round magazines that fit properly within the weapon, no one would have had time to tackle him while reloading. Takes about a second, to a second and a half to reload with a proper mag. These extended contraptions don't reload as well. He was probably futzing with it when he got tackled.
<Why are 15 or 17 round magazines legal? Is this really necessary - or is it a target practice convenience thing? The story I mentioned about my police officer friend, bringing down the guy who fully discharged his 45 was mentioned because I think the outcome could have been much worse if he had been able to continue firing while mortally wounded. The idea that someone is as easily able to reload (in a crowd,unhindered and quickly) seems a bit weak. I think you know that the best time to take someone out with a gun is when they can not fire.>

Significant opposition to the AWB might have been eroded, if the 'high capacity ammunition feeding device' nonsense had simply limited the magazines at the proper manufacturer size for the weapon, not extending beyond the buttplate. Limiting them to 10 rounds was silly, and a major source of vexation.

<Gun advocacy groups like the NRA poor millions of dollars into our political system. I doubt there was any real informed public erosion in AWB support.>

[AtheistCrusader]

35. It may be the most powerful

but it needn't be, and certainly does not represent all gun owners. I certainly won't join them, and I don't recommend anyone else do so either. They speak 'for' less than 5% of legal gun owners in this country.

Do you really think that it is responsible or in the best interest of the public for the AR-15, Barrett, Five Seven, 33 round magazines and the are other weapons to be available to the likes of Jared Lee Loughner or even Sarah Palin? The NRA does. Do we really know how many of these guns end up being used by drug cartels or non-psychotic crazies? I think its time for this nonsense to stop.
.50 caliber rifles like the Barrett have been used in exactly 1 crime in the US. (Actually USED, not crimes of posession, etc) Some clowns tried to shoot up an armored car, injured one occupant, and failed to accomplish the crime. Not exactly a huge practical threat. For the most part, price is a barrier to entry from fools. (edit below)

The FN 5.7 is LESS LETHAL than what this clown used in Arizona. It is not armor piercing, by itself. You need the pistol AND the armor piercing ammunition, which is completely and utterly illegal for civilians to possess. With the ammo available on the market, it is simply a very accurate .22 caliber pistol. Nothing more, nothing less. The only way a civilian can get that ammo is with some sort of fraud, impersonating law enforcement/military, or theft from law enforcement or military. (I do not know if the Fort Hood shooter may have used the armor piercing ammo, it would not have been issued to him, but he may have wrangled some way to buy it. Still, the armor piercing stuff is 'better' to get shot with, because it doesn't expand, than the 'civilian' ammo, which expands, and does more damage to flesh.

AR-15's are the most popular sporting rifle in the United States. (I own two) They make up less than 1% of the crimes committed with firearms in this country. Interesting disparity, yes?

What the guy just did is evidence that fast firing (or quick reloading guns) are and will be a problem that should be more strictly and reasonably regulated.
This technology has been available for better than 50 years, it isn't new. Accidental death rates have been declining since the 50's, and murder rates are down from the 50's, but have been up and down from the 90's. No real correlation. This is not a new threat. Yes it is a concern. I am more concerned why a kid with emotional issues that got him expelled from college, and denied entry to the military, wasn't flagged by NICS, as ineligible to purchase a handgun or ammo. This seems an area we could have some improvment. I doubt NRA would disagree, as they helped pass NICS.

Why should the public assume the associated risk?
I disagree with the perceived risk. The VT shooter killed more, without extented mags. It's not actually much of an enabler. In many cases, it can be a hinderance.

Why are 15 or 17 round magazines legal? Is this really necessary - or is it a target practice convenience thing? The story I mentioned about my police officer friend, bringing down the guy who fully discharged his 45 was mentioned because I think the outcome could have been much worse if he had been able to continue firing while mortally wounded. The idea that someone is as easily able to reload (in a crowd,unhindered and quickly) seems a bit weak. I think you know that the best time to take someone out with a gun is when they can not fire.
I would not complain if a new AWB law was crafted that required the guns to have mags that only fit within the weapon as the manufacturer intended. I would complain if they brought back the 1994 AWB stipulation of 10 rounds.

One anecdotal encounter is not sound basis for legislation.

Gun advocacy groups like the NRA poor millions of dollars into our political system. I doubt there was any real informed public erosion in AWB support.
There was TONS of public opposition to the bill. The entire shooting/gun owning community was impacted, for the most part. It was ridiculous. There's a reason my family has two AR-15's. One has a stock the proper length for my big 'ol monkey arms, and one is the proper shorter length for my wife, so we can both handle our rifles safely and comfortably. A collapsable stock, that would allow us to both shoot the same rifle, was grounds for disqualification under the 1994 AWB, so we got separate rifles. Doubling the cost, and storage requirements. Over 4" of adjustment in the stock. Not exactly enabling bad guys to hide it in their pockets.

The bill was flat out stupid from stem to stern.

Maybe we can do better this time. My suggestion, leave the rifles alone, and if you want to limit the ammo feeding devices in pistols, limit them to the manufactured intent of the pistol. No less. That would receive less opposition in firearms enthusiast circles.






Edit: I take that back, three crimes. The armored car, the guy with the 'killdozer' armored bulldozer, no fatalities, and a guy that shot his wife in a grocery store, but he didn't use the .50, he only had it with him.

At about 30lbs and 4 feet long, it's not exactly the pinnacle of portable malfeasance.

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[MattBaggins]

30. That's not a hypothesis

[AtheistCrusader]

37. Correction.

He was probably 'tackleble' because he was futzing with the extended magazine, trying to reload it.

Better wording?

[Aviation Pro]

55. Since the fuckwit right exists in fantasy world the only logical explanation is....

...ZOMBIES!

[defendandprotect]

43. Thanks for describing the insanity of our current gun laws/loop holes to bans ....

My Springfield mags hold 15. Takes me a second to reload. Difference is, I'm not a batshit crazy kid, slurping at the hate trough, filled by cretins like Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, and so on.

Obviously anyone with this capability FEARS and HATES something?

One of the best responses we could have from this latest shooting would be to have more Americans

give up their guns --

[AtheistCrusader]

47. Disagree.

I know quite a few people who own such magazines for various reasons from curios, to collectible value, to simple laziness while target practicing. None of them are inherently dangerous or unstable.

Again, people have committed just as henious acts in the past (Virginia Tech would be a salient example) without the use of extended capacity magazines.

Common thread? Mental instability that raised red flags, yet did not feed into a denial for a NICS background check.

[defendandprotect]

58. You don't know by any means who is "inherently dangerous or unstable" --

You may know some people -- even right now --

but you don't know who they'll be next week and you wouldn't stake your own house on it.

Obviously, you didn't "know" this guy -- who was given the capability to injure 19 people

at one time and kill 6 of them by the GOP/NRA and gun manufacturers who want sales and

who could care less about human lives.


Again, people have committed just as henious acts in the past (Virginia Tech would be a salient example) without the use of extended capacity magazines.

Very poor argument for guns -- rather, it remains an argument against guns.

There is only one way the right wing can rise and that's via political violence --

the right wing is aggressive enough without adding guns to the picture.

Otherwise, our futures will rest in the hands of people like this guy.

[AtheistCrusader]

59. You think the right wing will be disarmed by the passage of new laws?

Interesting.


Humans have always been at risk from bizzarre acts by unstable people. Even with free and easy access to mental health facilities and care, there will still be the occasional lone nut. One killed 7 people in Tokyo with a knife last year. It happens. Yes, a gun can be used to devastating effect, but it is not the only way. Moreover, it can provide a defense against such nuts. Sometimes at great personal cost, but it can and has stopped such rampages.


The magazine size was unimportant. We can debate endlessly whether it enabled him to fire more, and that was bad, or it prevented him from reloading quickly, allowing people to tackle him, etc. Fruitless debate.


Can we at least agree that he was totally unstable, and that there were warnings that should have precluded his legal access to the firearm, the magazines, and the ammunition?

We have the mechanism (NICS) to deny access for these issues. We need to feed in more than just 'adjudicated mentally deficient', or 'involuntarily confined' for more than a week, or whatever the various state and federal statutes specify. When he was thrown out of college for unstable outbursts that caused people to fear for their lives, he should have been remanded to treatment, and he should have been put on the NICS no-go list.

Can we focus on this please? If we push to ban large-cap magazines, we will waste enormous political capital on a band-aid on an aterial wound. It will not fix the problem. It's a 'feel good' 'do nothing' solution to a serious problem; how to get people with serious mental health issues the care they need before they lash out at society, and how we can prevent their access to materials that will amplify that damage.

[defendandprotect]

61. What you're doing is putting your own FEAR on display ....

We need to end this Drug War -- and every other right wing adventure which works

to try to create a violent America. And the GOP/NRA is very much a part of that.

You're a walking, talking NRA pamphlet --

We don't know exactly who shot this woman -- especially since discussions of others involved

are being tamped down -- and any other involvement disappeared. You're left again with the

possibility of another patsy.

But, you're correct -- the gun industry did arm another nut.

The right wing needs to get their minds more off of guns and their FEARS of others with guns

and more into the issues. Aggression isn't going to rebuild America -- only democracy will.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Law enforcment has ruled out the possibility of additional shooters.

And eyewitnesses place the suspect as the person who shot Giffords, and others.

You allusions to the NRA, and my position, are simply a slur.

[defendandprotect]

63. Yes, law enforcement has also ruled out anyone but Oswald shooting JFK ...

or anyone but Chapman shooting John Lennon -- but we also
know that :rofl: Same for OK --

Recheck your posts -- their testimony to your obsession with guns and certainly

nothing in them that is anti-NRA!

[AtheistCrusader]

64. Then you didn't read any of my posts.

I have made it quite clear that I despise the NRA for it's predatory fundraising tactics, and deceptive framing of issues, plus their gaming of actual court cases they weren't involved in to protect their revenue stream.

Their firearms training and safety programs, like eddie eagle and whatnot are ok, but there are other options without the political baggage.

I think it's clear you simply don't read my posts, or only see what you want to see.

[defendandprotect]

65. If you condemn the NRA, then my apologies .... good for you!!

However, one after another of your posts shows an obsession with guns --

[AlbertCat]

48. You realize that ...

... nothing you said on the availability of such mags has anything to do with the fact that there is no need for a citizen to own one.

But you are right in that laws do not change attitudes. The US's attitude toward guns has got to change because it's nuts. That stupid, false "Wild West" crap and AZ just go together...

[benEzra]

22. The magazine was just as legal and available during the non-ban; it just cost more.

The standard capacity for most popular small- and intermediate-caliber civilian rifles is 30 rounds. Standard capacity for a full-sized 9mm pistol is 15 to 20, whether police or non-LEO, to keep the size down (particularly with concealables).

I shoot competitively with 20's and 30's, and for a small-caliber defensive carbine, that's what I'd choose as well. Police agencies generally issue 20's and 30's with non-automatic patrol carbines for regular officers (non-SWAT) as well.

[defendandprotect]

41. Only if you're a rw GOP/NRA gun nut ... !!

[Carnage251]

11. H. Res. 26 the bill she mentioned

Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 2) to repeal the job-killing health care law and health care-related provisions in the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010; providing for consideration of the resolution (H. Res. 9) instructing certain committees to report legislation replacing the job-killing health care law ; and for other purposes.

[Lorien]

23. Well, you have to hand it to them, they know how to name their bills and spin

the issues. We, on the other hand, give issues names like "net neutrality" and "employee free choice act" and none of the intellectually incurious out there know WTF we're talking about.

[CLANG]

52. So true!

:applause:

[defendandprotect]

44. Just another sign of the fanaticism at play in this shooting ... killings -- !!

[Enthusiast]

13. That is amazing! K&R

If the right does not tamp down their hateful rhetoric this violent event will not be the last.

[ScottLand]

14. How many FOX people are working overtime to try to figure

out a way to discredit this woman? It must be eating them alive that they have to praise her while listening to her tell them that they are part of the problem.

We'll never know how many lives she saved!

[hiskooldropout]

15. yes, amazing this was on Fox

I also had the reaction of being amazed that this was on Fox. Sheppard Smith is definitely one of the more "liberal" people over there. I tried to post this observation of Patricia Maisch blasting Fox over at Huff. Post and was censored. I've been censored a lot over there. And the posts weren't even that unusual. Has anybody here had the experience of being censored for relatively ordinary posts over there? I experimented with a generic, bland "kumbaya" kind of post and that was accepted. I don't come here much but is this a place where one can really say what they think?

[havbrush]

31. Censored at Huff Post

Yes, I've had that experience. I've reworded and reposted also and gotten nowhere. Then I call out the moderator in a post and ask directly "what's up, my post is not beyond the pale or anything?" Sometimes that helps. You run the risk of power-tripping moderators at Huffington post. You never know who's on duty and has their panties in a bunch that day.

[Rainbow Wave]

57. I have.

It's not even something you can prepare for. I think their censorship depends on each individual censor's personal sensibilities. It's weird. You can write a post with not attacks, no indecency, no venom, etc., and yet you are censored.

[xchrom]

16. recommend

[spicegal]

17. Wow, way to go. Is the GOP listening? Are the right wing

extremist listening? Are the Tea Partyers listening? I seriously doubt it.

[florida08]

20. obviously another proud progressive

who acted in the face of danger. I listened to Christina's mother in an interview by phone on MSNBC over the weekend and in between the tears she said this country needs to come together. Even the anchor who is a mother got choked up. Thank you Patricia for showing the right their folly in dangerous rhetoric and even more in your actions of how a person who really loves their countrymen should act. Shep was right. She set the example for all of us.

[femrap]

24. WOW.....nt

[mstinamotorcity]

27. Just kick it

kick it.

[AsahinaKimi]

28. She is right, now is the TIME to tell it like it is...

Now is the time to push it in their faces.

[katty]

29. go Patricia - someone is telling the truth!

[nolabear]

32. That was powerful. Did I hear him go "Ooh" just before the cutaway?

I do hope so. I hope Fox was stunned by their "Hero's" response, because she told it true.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. Was that Shep Smith?

I actually kind of like him.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

40. sounds like him

he seems OK to me too

[CLANG]

53. He's the sanest one of the bunch over at faux

[RoccoR5955]

39. Good for her

Speaking to the belly of the beast!

[flpab]

42. Yea Patricia and boo Walmart for selling all that ammo,

He went to one Walmart and they would not sell him the ammo so went to another Walmart and they did. Heard this on NPR tonight. Arizona has some creepy gun laws. Brewer has a lot to answer for also in repealing the gun permit law that Nappy had in place.

[valerief]

45. Wow!!! Truth on Fox. Bet they don't replay that. nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. Wonderful

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[DeeDeeNY]

51. He totally ignored what she said

Was he even listening?

[whatacountry09]

56. just tellin' the TRUTH.