The Criminal Truth - Free Speech on Trial in Europe

[masmdu]

Run time: 04:44 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEkelAsmcf4   Posted on YouTube: January 28, 2011 By YouTube Member: patcondell Views on YouTube: 302   Posted on DU: January 28, 2011 By DU Member: masmdu Views on DU: 617

 
Increasingly Europeans find "hate speech" laws being used to quash legitimate debate.


More information about the case discussed in the video here:
http://www.hudson-ny.org/1829/free-speech-on-trial-in-europe

[burnsei sensei]

1. Cultural equality is not the issue here.

There is a vast gulf between Islam and the West.
It was not imagined, it is not a social construction.
It is part of a macrohistorical pattern that dates back at least 4,000 years.
To say that Western culture is "better" or "superior" is indeed bigoted.
Better or superior in terms of what?
If you can't set any terms, then you should not make a value judgment.

My point is that the issue is not which is better.
It is, rather, the historical and present-day truth that cultures can be in conflict, and in the case of Islam and the West, they truly are in conflict.

[masmdu]

2. "Better or superior in terms of what?" Seriously? How about violenc againt women in Islamic culture

Are you really saying that the violence against girls and women in Islamic culture should not be considered?

To begin with set terms that life is preferable to being murdered or abused. Then value judgement is simple, any culture that allows for the treatment of women found in Islamic culture is indeed and obviously inferior, wrong, dangerous, and in need of change.

[burnsei sensei]

4. By making the treatment of women and girls

the terms of discussion, you've given meaning to your value judgment.
So are you saying that non-Muslim cultures are superior to Muslim cultures?
In terms of multiculturalism, that is not a very appropriate thing to say. Is it?
And there are many institutions here in the U.S. and even nations in supposedly Western Europe that would punish you for such thoughts and expressions.
There is a woman on trial right now in Austria for expressing opinions that are the same as yours, and she has the authority of much study and expreience behind what she says.

[masmdu]

5. I'm saying that the treatment of women and girls trapped in Islam is abhorent...

That stands by itself.

If you want to then compare that to how women and girls are treated in other cultures then without a doubt the situations in which women and girls are not treated violently are superior to how they are treated in Islam.

Multiculturalism shouldn't mean that truth should be ignored so as not to offend.

In the face of such facts about the nature of the treatment of girls and women in Islamic cultures I don't give a damn about whether what I say is appropriate in terms of multiculturalism.

What? There is no institution here in the US who would punish me for these thoughts or any other expression.

Care to name them?

[burnsei sensei]

7. No institution in the U.S.

that would punish you?
I'd think again about that if I were you.
If you, for instance, worked for a mainstream media organization, and you decided to do a story on the linkage between Islamic doctrine, FGM and the treatment of women in the Ummah and even in Muslim areas of American society (cases in point, the honor killing in AZ, the beheading in NY), you would not keep your job for long. It is also entirely likely that your piece, regardless of the rigor of your research, would be quashed.
This nation might love freedom of expression and truth, but believe me, in the end, most people in the media, academia, high finance and government will choose not to offend this easily offended aggregate of American and world society.
I hate to say it, but the violence seems to be speaking more loudly than principle. For the moment.
I seem to remember calls, time and time again, saying we should not slander this beautiful religion.

[masmdu]

6. "Better" than THIS? Just about anything else...(Video)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/8287154/Shocking-footage-emerges-of-Taliban-stoning-couple-to-death.html

[greiner3]

3. Pat has calmed down quite a bit;

In some of his older videos he spat and yelled. Most of his rants are against the Muslims and I'm not sure if he has a thing against them or the threat in Europe is a little as serious as he states. I think if it were the latter the US bigots would take up his call and say 'See, it's happening over there, we're next.'