UF student goes berserk at John Kerry Speech!

[Bennyboy]

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Not sure yet but I am guessing this kid is not a Democrat....

[kansasblue]

1. Darn... I wanted to here Kerry's answer.

I think they were great questions and I understand his frustration. But unfortunately he ruined the value of the questions with his actions.

[subsuelo]

108. No the fascist cops ruined it

Other students should have jumped in and helped fend off those pigs, if you ask me

[Hieronymus]

Kerry just stood and watched it all .. sums up my feelings about Kerry.

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[CONN]

27. same here...

good questions being asked. Seems Kerry lacks raal leadership qualities

[softwarevotingtrail]

35. Ditto - the guy is as flaky as they come, and I live in Mass.

Last time I spoke the truth about him here I was kicked off DU. Along with this video, another Orwellian moment.

[Peregrine Took]

38. I always knew he was a first class creep and loser. So much for the Iowa

caucuses that began the steamrollering of the great "electable" one.

[MH1]

44. What a ridiculous comment

You don't know Kerry at all.

The creep in that video is the nutjob kid. Don't think he's a nutjob? Watch this one til the end:

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250#videoid=157250

[NavyDavy]

91. oh so its Kerrys fault this kid was in the wrong...since he was being chased

b4 hand

[abq e streeter]

40. It didn't sum up my feelings before,

but it sure does now.

[Divine Discontent]

41. I disagree

the kid is acting hysterical from the get go, we don't KNOW the full extent of why they're behind him to begin with - he could have let Kerry answer the question - and frankly, what's with wasting such a valuable chance to get TWO answers from him, but the dude "asks" him a third question, which is a confrontational question, and gives the cops apparently all they need to make him stop because he acts like a kook who's gonna go lunging for the Senator. Sorry, the young man is attacking the wrong side.

John argues valiantly for the troops. John was going to answer him.

He also says over the loudspeaker that everyone needs to calm down and the situation will calm down - did you not hear it? John knows you need to realize there was a reason they were there behind him, and they tried to afford him time to talk but he was rather irate. John even said, "too bad he's not able to come up here and swear me in", and that he's going to answer him.

They didn't start beating the guy, and they didn't appear to taser him, but goodness, he sure was resisting their order to leave. I appreciated his questions (the first two) and I believe Sen. Kerry was more than wanting to answer him but for some reason he kept getting more and more over the top and you don't know what he was going to do, or had done.

I would like to hear the Sen's answers and hear from someone there if they had seen what he might have done to begin with to have the shadows behind him like that.

[MH1]

46. You are right

Kerry said he was willing to answer the question, and apparently he did after the kid was finally out of the room.

[Divine Discontent]

49. ah..... THANK YOU! and apparently there's more video with the man being worse, I'll pass! n/t

[The Wielding Truth]

67. Yep. I wonder if maybe there was any precursor to this scene.

I wonder if the young man was disruptive before or was threatening other than what we see. If not this was a mishandled mess.

[berni_mccoy]

2. Actually, there were a lot of Democrats that felt the same frustration this kid is feeling.

[Quakerfriend]

4. OMG! This kid did nothing wrong!! How on earth could this

happen at a 'town hall' style meeting for Kerry?!

I am shocked that Kerry didn't speak up for this kid.

[blm]

21. I heard the police were chasing him before he spoke - are we to assume that

the person on stage and further away was privvy to exactly what was happening? Did Kerry tell the police to take the kid down? Did Kerry's people tell the police beforehand to remove anyone who wanted to ask a question he didn't like, the way Bush does?

Hard to believe that of Kerry who is accustomed to and tolerant of even the most abrasive questioners.

[ralphmich3]

30. I have same question: Y concede in 2004?

if Kerry KNEW there was vote fraud in Florida and New Mexico and elsewhere? Kerry laid down and played dead. What Kerry should have done, at least, is concede the election but demand and recount and a full investigation, neither of these things happened.

AND WE WILL STILL HAVE SAME LOUSY, HACKABLE, UNAUDITABLE, REPUBLICAN VOTING MACHINES IN 2008 THAT WE HAD IN 2004.

[blm]

104. Newsflash - Ohio WAS recounted by OHIO rules - Rules set up long before

and which the OHIO Democrats and the Dem party itself, showed NO INTEREST in dealing with in the FOUR YEARS the RNC worked on stealing that state.

The REASOn nothing has been getting done is because the BRAINDEAD blame Kerry for Ohio instead of the the ACTUAL POINT OF BLAME which was the DNC and Dem party of Ohio's FAILURE to secure the election processs at every point where votes are cast and counted.

THAT went on for FOUR YEARS and all you want to point the blame at the guy who did his job and WON, but the DNC made sure those votes couldn't be cast or secure the ones that were.

And then you wonder WHY nothing has changed. Because YOU all pretend the only problem was the guy who won. Just like Terry McAuliffe and his gang WANTED you to think. It let them off the hook for THEIR FOUR YEARS of NEGLIGENCE.

[JDPriestly]

62. That is Kerry's flaw. He expresses no emotion about anything.

He is overly reasonable. He can't be real. With all of his being, he communicates depression and repression of his own feelings. He tries to be a very kind guy, and maybe he is in intimate situations with small groups. But he does not have the courage to take the bold action. He has no sense of drama. He seems embarrassed by it. Edwards would have grasped the moment. So would Bill Clinton. Both Edwards and Bill Clinton would have understood the young man's pain and gone with it. I think Kucinich would have also. Kerry was embarrassed by it. That kind of emotional expression is not allowed in the world in which he was raised. Too bad. That was a missed opportunity to respond to real questions. Kerry just was not up to it. Kerry needs to get some serious therapy,

[fedupinBushcountry]

92. Your the one with the flaw

If you really bothered to look at the video close you would see that Kerry told the cops he would answer the kid's question and if the kid would of just shut up for a minute instead of causing a scene he would of had his answers. So take your Kerry hating BS and stick it where the sun don't shine.

[Bennyboy]

18. And an NBC video

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

[Purveyor]

3. Thank god the 'jack-booted thugs' intervened and just think, by 2009 they will be 'our' thugs!!!

"Keep Hope Alive..."

:sarcasm:

[eagler]

5. This needs to happen. It's not up to Kerry to say that he won the election.

that would open him up to too much disdain from the right . It's up to the people to speak up and demand attention and to make sure it doesn't happen again. Because the dems aren't taking action on black box voting and a new Fairness Doctrine it will most likely happen again, because those are the tools that were used to pacify a stupified public.

[saracat]

6. This is a stupid setup.And the kid is an agitator .As soon as he opened his mouth

about Skull and Bones he had zero credibility.Interesting how he saw himself as "equal " in sppeechmaking time to Kerry who had been "invited" to speak."He has been talking for two hours,I am entitled to two minutes" ?And Kerry attempted to answer the question but the kid was dragged off "faking" truly injured people to not knee jerk call out "police brutality" Also most people in pain do not distinctly say "ow! Ow! Pw! like a cartoon.

[alllyingwhores]

10. I don't think so...

I don't think he saw himself as an equal--he just wanted to get his questions out. And how does bringing up Skull and Bones give him less credibility? And...I've witnessed people both in real life and on video screaming in response to a police assault.

I think the real question is has Kerry ever answered these questions before?

[saracat]

13. He sounded like a Rovian Plant to me but hey that is JMHO. Anyone who

even "asks" about Skull and Bones is an idiot.Kerry has certainly answered before that he was a member of Skull and Bones and anyone who makes a big deal about that doesn't understand the nature of the Club but whatever. As for the other, Kerry said he had read the book. Kerry knows he won but he couldn't "prove" it as the Ohio judge would not release the voting machines. Without proof, in a specified amount of time, he had NO case. As a prosecutor, Kerry knew he had to "prove" his case and the evidence to do that was denied to him.

[Truth2Tell]

28. Anyone who even asks

about Skull and Bones is an idiot?

ask question = idiot :eyes:

Your post is what sounds like a Rovian plant to me.

[MH1]

45. Well, the kid rants about "informing" people there, then

asks a question which shows he hasn't done the least bit of homework, and is easily conned into believing conspiracy theories.

Seems idiotic to me.

Edit to add: the crowd applauded when the cops started trying to escort the guy out. Apparently they didn't like his approach, either.

[JDPriestly]

65. So it's ok to taser and arrest people just because they are idiots?

Bush thinks we are idiots.

Sorry, but you just saw the police state in action. The guy was loud. He was overly emotional. He made a fool of himself. But he has the right to free speech. The police were way out of bounds. They over reacted. He certainly was not inciting a riot. No one was rioting with him. You can't incite a riot unless there is a riot. He was loud all by himself. That's called free speech. And he was right. If Kerry can talk for two hours, why can't a guy who is expressing ideas that are important ask questions for a couple of minutes. As for the question about Skull and Bones, no matter how many times Kerry has answered that question, it's ok to ask it. This was a disgusting video. I'm ashamed of those police officers. Kerry should have thanked him for his questions more quickly. Kerry did not handle this well. Kerry seemed frightened. He wanted to cut the young man off well before the young man became very agitated.

[NavyDavy]

93. I did not know Sen. Kerry made the rules at UF....I guess he

could tell the cops to stop enforcing the rules for this guy....:banghead:

[JDPriestly]

105. He should have addressed the arrest.

It was a violation of the guy's right to free speech just as forcing people to leave the Petraeus hearing because they were holding up signs was a violation of their rights. The young man was given the floor to ask questions. He became very excited. The police were correct to stand near him, but they did not need to arrest him. He was talking -- a lot. He showed signs of emotional problems -- a lot. But he was not hurting anyone.

To oversimplify quite a bit, there is a principle in law that crimes are actions -- not just thoughts, and that you have to be violating a law in order to be arrested. Under the First Amendment political speech is not a crime. This young man was engaging in political speech. He was very emotional. His show of emotion may have been uncomfortable for some of the people around him, but it was not a violation of any law, not yet. The police should have watched but waited until something "wrong" other than speaking loudly and too long happened. The charge of inciting a riot is ridiculous since there clearly was no riot going on -- unless one had occurred prior to the scene we saw. Disturbing the peace would have been inappropriate too, since he was engaging in political speech. The government has the authority to regulate speech in time, place and manner, but not to punish speech arbitrarily as they did here.

This kid's conduct was socially inappropriate. But the First Amendment protects socially inappropriate speech no more inappropriate than this it seems to me. You have now seen your police state at work. Horrors, someone is out of line emotional. Don't you dare cross that -- emotional -- line and show passion and excitement when a famous man is present. The police (or campus police) overreacted. They should not be serving as policemen. Or, better yet, they should be better trained. Someone should explain the meaning of the First Amendment to them.

I hope this guy sues them big time. But he probably won't. They will probably declare him to be bipolar (which he probably is), put him on heavy medication and send him to lala land where he won't dare speak up to loudly ever again. So much for the First Amendment.

[Cobalt Violet]

101. Too many around here think so.

:grr: :grr:

[The Wielding Truth]

75. I think he was genuine. Scared and determined.Not very

poised,but the questions he asked were big scary ones.

[NavyDavy]

94. and kerry answered them....

[The Wielding Truth]

107. I would like to hear them. Anyone have them?

[softwarevotingtrail]

37. But Kerry IS a member of Skull and Bones!

It's a real organization, and Kerry was initiated as a real member of said organization! Why does pointing out reality give someone "zero credibility?" In troubled times, that's when.

[Name removed]

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Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[iamthebandfanman]

82. wow

i seem to remember a DU that had tons of people who believed in skull and bones when it came to ole Shrubby...

just because he has a different letter by his name doesnt mean it shouldnt be relevant

[peace13]

7. This young man is a hero to me!

He asked all of the questions that I have wondered about for years. Kerry took my money to 'campaign' with, hell I even gave money for recount lawyers. I am angry and this young person is angry. We should all be asking what the hell went down!!!

[FedUp_Queer]

31. Dern tootin'

This guy had the courage to ask these questions. I don't understand some of the totally partisan on this webpage who deify the democratic party when they support things that are just wrong. My God, it's time to call a spade a spade, when the Democrats screw up, don't answer questions, cower, etc., stand up and say so. If he had done the same thing to Bush, the same people who say it is "uncivil" would be saying what a hero the kid is. Since when is it "uncivil" to actually have the gall to ask politicians to tell us why they look the other way when they see injustice? Wake the hell up!

[Divine Discontent]

53. but he was trying to answer the kid

when you're essentially getting yelled at, it's hard to answer someone who's irate. on top of that, they brought him in apparently to ask his question and stood behind him - gee, unlike the rest of the questioners, he has cops behind him to start with and gets louder even, when they try and stop him from asking more than one question - TO WHICH SENATOR KERRY said let him stay! you don't like Senator Kerry, ok, we get it, I still think he is one of the best Senators we have, and he blew away McCain on meet the press, before millions of viewers and internet watchers, and that helps our cause - also, last year, Kerry was the only one I can recall demanding us out of the war (Senators), and I made a thank you thread for him, which received a lot of agreement of thanks to a great Senator. The young man was just too unstable, despite the senator's attempts to try and get him answered while still in the room... but he did answer I've heard.

[whometense]

81. Well said! n/t

[Divine Discontent]

84. well, THANK you! n/t

[The Wielding Truth]

68. Me too. No ... don't taser us!

[Bennyboy]

8. There is more explanation:

I couldnt get to my camera in time to record his entrance, but this guy basically comes running in with 4 or 5 cops in tow and says he has been running around trying to get in to ask a question and the cops are going to arrest him for it. they almost do it then but Sen. Kerry says he will answer it. he then answers a previous question someone else asked (i cut that part out because it isnt important to this video) then the guy asks his questions and when he is done all hell breaks lose. to the cop haters: i have no doubt the cops were going exactly by the book, the problem isnt them, its the book! they were doing their job and looked just as confused as this kid (this isnt something that they deal with often). (more)

[sandnsea]

9. is this yours, someone elses, what

Because this is even more wild than what we've heard so far.

[Bennyboy]

12. From the video description...(more).

Here is the kids website and he is apparently a lefty lunatic. http://www.theandrewmeyer.com/

[MH1]

48. "The" Andrew Meyer??

Combine that with his delusion that the cops will kill him, or that he needs to make sure people know he's being taken away so he's not "disappeared", I'd say the guy has some serious ego issues.

[Quakerfriend]

11. So, did you get the idea that this kid staged this in some way?

It did seem sort of odd that the cops are all around him as soon as he begins to speak.

[saracat]

14. Absolutely.Very Rovian

[SteppingRazor]

109. More like very performance art, I think.

Judging by the guy's Web site, he appears to be less political and more into just stirring shit up for the sake of causing chaos.

[951-Riverside]

16. Bennyboy post the entire video (unedited). n/t

[Bennyboy]

20. Sorry that's all I got.....There is an NBC vid here

http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

[The Wielding Truth]

72. I wish I would have read this first. Still maybe he could have

been settled by Kerry. I feel duped by not seeing the whole scene.

[Bennyboy]

15. Here is the Freepers take on it....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1898072/posts

[saracat]

17. I believe we are not supposed to link to "that site"!

[Bennyboy]

19. really. Did not know that.....

[Divine Discontent]

34. yet you don't go and edit the comment to take out the link?

:shrug:

[Bennyboy]

52. The editing period had expired.

aside from that I think it is interesting. And the mods don't seem to have a problem with it.

[Divine Discontent]

57. cool. I didn't think it was 5 min, my apologies. n/t

[Tesla]

22. Oh man...

now I have to take another shower......

[L. Coyote]

23. What an idiot! Who cares if he is left or right, he is a disruptor and WRONG!

That was not civil behavior, and inappropriate in such a forum. Did someone need some attention?

[abq e streeter]

26. And according to this logic,

one of us attempting to aggressively, but non violently challenge Bush or Cheney would deserve to be tackled , tasered and arrested. With all due respect to L. Coyote (and I am being sincere, your presence on DU means we're on the same side), I have to vehemently disagree with you. Kerry's failure to do everything in his power to stop this abuse from uniformed thugs is something I'll never forgive or forget.

[L. Coyote]

29. WRONGO. I was not discusing the reaction of the officers, nor that of Kerry

I was discussing the actions of the person taking over the event with his own speech and agenda. It does not matter if I agree with his ideas or not, he was out of line.

Don't get me started on the way he was treated or you will get a real rant, because I've gotten way worse from authorities and often consider their actions reprehensible. In this case I wasn't there, so I'll not comment on how this escalated.

[iaviate1]

36. Disruptors ARE wrong.

They're just looking for attention. Who cares why they're looking for attention, but I am tired of these disruptors trampling the grass in DC, committing piracy by boarding ships with illegal lumber, getting in the way of harpoons, and creating havoc in major cities to send messages to our leadership. Can't we all just relax and be decent sheeple?

[Peregrine Took]

39. He is a citizen and deserves to be heard. Don't you agree? I guess not.

[The Wielding Truth]

66. I agree. His manner was manic, but maybe he has MS.

Honestly, I feel the police overreacted and Kerry under reacted.

[NavyDavy]

95. no not if he is not giving Sen Kerry a chance to answer....and he

should get the one question like everyone else...period.

[karynnj]

102. No he doesn't - it was a public forumn for everyone to have his 2 cents

It was a speech given by an invited Senator and a Q & A. Even though it was over Kerry - seeing that he was confrontation - still said ok to him asking a question. He decided that was not enough.

[951-Riverside]

24. I love how the cops moved in when he asked about skull and bones

This country is going down the toilet but sadly the majority of you... and I'm speaking to the ones that only see the world as Left/Right, Democratic/Republican, My guy/His guy won't notice until its too late.

If this happened at a GOP event he would have been a hero on this forum. Its frightening to know that a lot people hate George Bush and his devastating policies because of his party affiliation.

Wake up people!

In the real world theres right and wrong not left wing or right wing.

[Bennyboy]

61. You are right...on the board where I found this

The title line was "Crazy Republican goes berserk". I posted there that I did not see where he did anything wrong. I thought then and I think now that this kid was mistreated by the cops and should enver have been tasered, especially when he was subdued on the ground..

[rucky]

25. He was an ass.

But those were some good questions. I'd have rather seen Kerry answer them, instead of the cops' dragging him off like that.

[Peregrine Took]

43. Someone is an ass, you're right but it wasn't the student. n/t

[MH1]

47. Kerry did offer to answer at the time, and did answer after the kid was taken out. n/t

[NavyDavy]

96. The good Senator did answer them once he was able too!

and yes this student was a big jackass....

[softwarevotingtrail]

32. Unbelievable video! Kerry completely ignores while student is Tasered!!!

This student brings up completely legitimate points. He refers to:

1) Greg Palast's book about how the 2004 election was stolen and asks Kerry why he conceded on the same day when it was clear that the election was fixed. A completely valid point.

2) Asks Kerry why he doesn't demand the impeachment of George W. Bush in order to stop the Iraq War. A completely valid question.

3) Asks Kerry if he is a member of the Yale secret society Skull and Bones (he is). A completely valid question.

He is then WRESTLED TO THE GROUND and TASERED. And Kerry IGNORES his screaming and just keeps droning on!!!

UNFRIGGINGBELIEVABLE. We live in troubled times, people. And guys like John Kerry aren't helping any.

[The Wielding Truth]

64. I am soooo disappointed in how Kerry mishandled a scared

kid trying to speak out. Sure he was hyper but this was a big deal to confront a would-be president. I am amazed that Kerry was not brave enough or wise enough to see the fragility of the questioner. I would hope that I would never let someone be bullied while asking a question of me. This is so sad and frightening at the same time. Poorly handled.

He should have asked the police to stand down and showed that he would not pressure an already tense situation.

Kerry could have resolved this.

[dailykoff]

70. Yes, who knew Kerry would taser a poor kid! Oh wait...

KERRY DIN'T MISHANDLE ANYBODY, THE FREAKING GESTAPO FL COPS DID!

[The Wielding Truth]

77. A great leader would have had control of the scene and

calmed the situation.

I posted this before I read the post that said that the kid ran in with the police in tow. Still I think Kerry could have settled the scene. There was no threat from the student other than vocal and refusal to refrain from his questions. No need for the restraint or taser.

[dailykoff]

79. The "great leader" is not exactly on Kerry's team, and neither

are the Florida gestapo. Kerry's an old soldier sure but when was the last time you saw a US senator suddenly take over his own security detail?

[politicasista]

87. I guess people forgot about the "great leadership" like

issues (i.e. Alito, Kerry/Feingold, smackdown of McPain, holding * accountable, teaming up with Al Gore, and so on).

But that's not important because it's Bash Kerry Without Knowing the Facts Day or let alone Trash Democrats Underground.

[politicasista]

88. He DID calm the situation

He encouraged the audience to be calm. He was trying to answer the kid's question, but the kid kept ranting away when he was asked to leave. The students were the ones that called police. Not Kerry. The tasering was over the top, but that is no way Kerry's fault.

Members of the student group sponsoring the event summoned UF police to escort Meyer out, according to a police statement. At first, students can be heard cheering as he is asked to leave.

http://www.miamiherald.com/466/story/241219.html

He has thrown more crumbs to the liberal base than most of our elected representives. He has lead on issues (i.e. smacking down McCain, Alito, ending the war, holding the crooks accountable, helping Al Gore with his cause, etc.) more than most.


I don't understand why people are so quick to slam one of the few that is on our side.


OTOH, Good luck with finding a "great" and perfect leader the fit your needs.

[ConfidentialStatus]

33. Tim Russert goes berserk ...arrest him

We have to take Timmy off the airwaves he's very dangerous.

MR. RUSSERT: Before we go, you and George Bush were both members of Skull & Bones, the secret society at Yale. The rule is, if someone mentions Skull & Bones, you walk out of the room. If you're both in a...

SEN. KERRY: You trying to get rid of me here?

MR. RUSSERT: You're both in a presidential debate and the moderator says "Skull & Bones," you both leave the podiums?

SEN. KERRY: I doubt it.

MR. RUSSERT: You'll hang in

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4772030



:crazy:

[Peregrine Took]

42. Bennyboy, what is with this title re: "berserk"? If you were tasered what

would you do? Sit down and recite some poetry or something? Get real. What is your agenda - fess up!

[Bennyboy]

50. If you had read the description beside the vid.....

you might not think it was so wrong. he was running through the hall and was surrounded by cops before the video picks up.....

[liberalhistorian]

54. I was wondering the same thing. Kinda makes his agenda

quite clear, doesn't it? Do people not realize just how painful and paralyzing being tasered really is? It ain't like just being prodded along, not at all. And Kerry says and does nothing, what a freaking surprise considering he said and did nothing and rolled over after the election, despite clear evidence of tampering and fraud.

[dailykoff]

58. What would you like him to do?

Tear off his tie and turn into superman?

[liberalhistorian]

60. No, but it would be nice if he would

quit being a "rollover muffin man" for once. Although I realize that's too much to ask where he's concerned.

[dailykoff]

63. Still not sure what you think he should have done.

Attack the cops? In FLA? They'd fucking taser him too.

[NavyDavy]

98. I agree with you whole heartedly!!!

some people will blame Kerry or a Dem for anything that goes wrong....

[dailykoff]

51. Let's see: Kerry creams McCain on MTP on Sunday, and on Monday.....

nah, just another amazin' coinkydink in the good old US of CIA!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Bennyboy]

55. Yeah, this really is a NO WIN for Kerry.....

he can't come out and defend either the cops or the kid.

I would really like to hear how he answeres the questions myself.

[dailykoff]

56. Yup... your basic nightmare no-win photo op

right on schedule.

[fedupinBushcountry]

59. He would of

if the kid didn't make the cops think he was a nutcase. Not Kerry's fault at all, he has never backed down from answering any question.

[eagler]

69. I have a feeling that there's alot more going on here than

we are seeing and should not rush to judgement but i do hope we can find out who the guy is and get some followups

[dailykoff]

71. Oh we'll find out he's some bigshot's kid

after yet another wave of swiftboating by all and sundry including certain sanctimonious Dems.

[Bennyboy]

76. I posted his website...you can get a good read

on him there.

[wisteria]

73. First, something isn't right with this whole thing. Why is this incident such big news?

And, through out it all, Senator Kerry's speech was not given any time. It was to be a speech on the war in Iraq. Could this incident perhaps be a distraction?

[dailykoff]

74. Could this incident be a distraction?

That's a good question. My take is, could it be anything else? :shrug:

[The Wielding Truth]

78. Anyone know the student? That will tell.

[peacetalksforall]

83. I still have to hear both sides - but initially there is nothing wrong with

kid except youth. I feel the same emotion nearly all the time, lately. For the last couple of weeks, I go around tearing up, off and on, throughout the day at the thought that this country would bomb Iran. I can feel myself all tensed up. Look at how our country is failing/falling and how everyone thought it would be better with Kerry. There is residual anger at Kerry for quitting within about three hours of Edwards saying that they were going to fight to the end.

This kid is not far off the mark. He is a kid without the discipline. But, what great caring. I'm for a kid who has Palast's book, has read it, and cares.

The kids' questions are the same ones I've held for all these years, but I don't expect any answers from Kerry - ever. He's made his decision that he doesn't owe us an explanation - ever.

The Skull & Bones question isn't out of line - because it was discussed here on DU for months about what it all meant - with the suggestion that Kerry gave it to Bush. So maybe this kid was reading DU those three or four years ago.

I honor Kerry for the fights he takes up in Congress and for his service - the testimony of his Vietnam crew was very impressive and the very simple reason that he served when he could have gotten out of it like many others and for his fabulous testimony following Vietnam. He was our hero.

Now I say bravo to the kid for his passion about what is happening. When he's older, even if it's a day or two, he can tell us what he would have done differently.

I contrast this kid and his caring with the mercenaries who are being trained to be used against us if people like Kerry don't speak out louder and very specifically. But, I'll wait to hear more about what Kerry said to the audience. Was there anything that held a promise about not bombing Iran, not calling martial law, about a ton of things he and the others should be talking about? I'll wait and see.

[Tiggeroshii]

85. He seemed like he was finished, why did the cops touch him?

He asked all the questions in the time amounted to him,and seemed to have finished talking -so then why did the police try to forcibly remove him? This is definitely something that seems to need a little more then an internal investigation...

[Divine Discontent]

90. b/c he had been running in the halls apparently causing some type of disturbance

apparently the 3rd question either was just a tad bit too kooky and added to their opinion of him being a trouble maker, or, they were allowing him to ask his question politely, and once finished, were done with his antics...

as I said... after all his screaming that they were going to take him away and kill him and begging people to follow them so they would see them do it - he'll get out of jail and either feel totally embarrassed for his behavior, or get a bonus for doing a really good job and distracting from Sen. Kerry's antiwar speech.

[wundermaus]

86. 21 year old student asks questions in a public forum and ...

Is arrested and tasered. Now, what part of this are we having trouble with? If I were present, I would do EVERYTHING in my power to protect him. And why you may ask? Because that kid could just as well been me... or YOU, or My Kid, or YOUR kid... that's the trouble I have with it. WE are ALL in BIG trouble and if you don't see it, then get in line... your turn is coming up.

[Divine Discontent]

89. he will look at himself on the video when he gets out of jail & realize how silly he looked

the long video shows this young man was a bit unstable (to say the least), was running the hallways away from police, and they actually gave him a chance after all that to ask Kerry a question, and as you see, they're behind him - they gave him a chance to ask a civil question - which to me is awfully kind considering his odd behavior. Sen. Kerry could have been threatened, we have NO idea, so they hovered over this young man.


Also, Sen. Kerry tries to respond, he gets shouted down by the troubled guy into not answering, then, after Sen. Kerry tells them to let him speak after he demands to ask multiple questions and nearly gets pulled away at the start of his 2nd question, he then bursts into a third question (the 3rd one was ridiculous to ask, the first two were great, but you don't ask someone three totally different questions, but still, Sen. Kerry was trying to accomodate him) but the cops had seen enough of his behavior and didn't find the young man to be disorderly at that point, and the noise from the crowd started after that third consipiracy theory question.

BEYOND all that - Sen. Kerry said, while he was being pushed out of the room (he wasn't taken down until way at the top of the room when he's going all BERSERK), "everyone stays calm then everything will be calm", and he says he wished the young man coulda swore him in, knowing how hard the question of why he wasn't president was on him emotionally (sorry, I could hear it in his voice, this man is an American hero), and even wanted to answer his questions, but the young man was far too disorderly and incapable of being in that type of setting to be taken seriously.

and if you had done all you could - whereas NO ONE there felt the need to attack the cops as you say you would have because they saw his behavior through the whole ordeal - then you would have been shoved out of the room and arrested also.

All the screaming about how they were going to take him away and kill him just added to his bizarre behavior. Sure acted like a plant, and if not, one very overly emotional boy that can't handle serious settings like the rest of the people.

[Cobalt Violet]

97. Seems like the cops just couldn't wait to pounce on him.

Sad.

[NavyDavy]

99. did you watch the whole video or did you pick the parts that

fit ur agenda?

[Cobalt Violet]

100. What agenda?

I watched the above video and commented. If you don't like it then either alert or put me on ignore.

[MalloyLiberal]

103. HE ASKED FOR FUCKING IMPEACHMENT

YOU'RE the jackass.

[ralbertson]

106. Here's Kerry's statement, & more details from the source himself:

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of answering him when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/18/125041/427