Special Comment Libya, Obama and the Five Second Rule FOK News Channel

[wundermaus]

Run time: 06:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT_nu-c2atU   Posted on YouTube: March 23, 2011 By YouTube Member: dodgeyaussie Views on YouTube: 245   Posted on DU: March 24, 2011 By DU Member: wundermaus Views on DU: 6620

 

[CBGLuthier]

1. I remember that guy from when I had cable a year ago

Is he still around?

:-)

[SemperEadem]

2. Yay! Keith!

A voice that is sorely missed... glad to see him speaking out and thank goodness for the internet.

[JJW]

3. The Goal

is to control the oil, no matter what.

[DutchLiberal]

16. That's what the intellectually lazy say, yes...

Those of us who think things through before we come up with oversimplified one-liners know that, if it were about oil, we wouldn't be destabilizing the regime that used to hand us the oil.

[Mosaic]

65. Good come back

For that old cliche, "it's all about the damn oil".

[Oilwellian]

70. Even I don't believe Libya is about the oil

:D

[FlyByNight]

4. Good to see and hear Keith again

:applause:

[neoralme]

5. That was excellent and right on the money.

[demigoddess]

6. love Keith!

but could not it be said more concisely? The United States cannot protect all the civilians around the world from their leaders/governments/tyrants.

[Plucketeer]

8. Loved what your reply made me see!

When I read: "cannot protect all the civilians around the world from their leaders/governments/tyrants.", my mind sprung to how VERY LITTLE this administration has tried to protect union workers from their state tyrants! MAYBE if those governors would threaten to go door-to-door to find and persecute union members - maybe THEN we'd see some intervention from the White House. :grr:

[tblue]

25. Same thing I thought. Maybe if public employee unions had oil...

Just being facetious, but I don't get the reticence to face down our own tyrants either.

[dennis4868]

28. Actually....

Union leaders disagree with you....but you must be a card carrying member of DU that always have to disagree with Obama....

[Riley18]

43. You are so right. American workers could use some other

country to step in and protect us from our government.

[Plucketeer]

69. Well,

we've got Thom Hartmann spelling out raw truths like no other outlet allows - and he's on Russian Television!

[SoulSearcher]

7. I usually learn what's really going on,

as many things are 'left ' out of general media reports.
But almost wish I hadn't heard Keith's well-spoken summary -
it's scary to know even he has the same questions.

Obama has GOT to respond with some answers, the questions
are just too important now. I know he has to be careful, but
how is this expected to work out?

[YvonneCa]

48. That's what KO does best...

...asks the questions we can't ask, publicly. He is our voice. :)

[Plucketeer]

9. Like a breath of fresh air!

Man, I miss this guy. So refreshing to hear the truth laid out so that a pea-brain like me can see every facet with clarity! Please Keith - do this more often!

[Homer03]

10. +1

I have to admire people like KO and the guys over TYT for the effort they put into it every day. I know I dont have the energy to sit and analyze the BS -write it up, and take the fight to them like they do. They are in fact the special forces we have -the big brothers--that lead the way. I dont know if any education of the right wing gasbags I encounter everyday is possible--but I know that these guys are our front line.

[Plucketeer]

20. I couldn't agree more!

These guys are REAL forces for truth. The kind of truth and insights the MSM SURELY takes in and filters out for it's audiences.

[jonthebru]

11. The good ol' USA has always been lousy at negotiating.

Its in our genes to just go in and kick ash.
Love the quote "play the US like a two dollar banjo game."
The advantage that the totalitarian regimes and dictatorships have is their longevity. They can simply wait out the western leaders,led by a USA that changes its ideology every time the electorate gets convinced by political advertising to vote for a "change"... again.
The majority of US citizens don't know that our foreign policy constantly changes with the leadership. That is simply not in our best interest. State Department professionals are the ones whose word should be used to create consistent international relations.
In closing I would like to add: "Never, never, never, vote for a republican."

[Little Star]

12. Gawd I miss Keith being on my TV 5 nights a week!

It was good to see him. No one can give a special comment like KO. He knows how to make a point,that's for sure! Can't wait till his show on Current TV gets here!

[YvonneCa]

47. Late Spring...

... ;)

[LiberalLovinLug]

13. Kick

Great to see KO again.
FOK News, the real "fair and balanced". Some actual intelligent criticism of the POTUS as opposed to "He's a socialist, He's a Muslim, He's a Kenyan, He's a racist!"

[tylerinthe206]

14. OMG! SOOO Excited to hear Keith Again!!! YAAAYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keith prevented me from going completely insane during the W years.
thank you wundermaus, for posting.

While Ed and Rachel and Lawrence are all still(*AHEM*) on MSNBC and Cenk Uygur from the The Young Turks are all stellar voices for the progressive movement, it is Keiths "Special Comments" that I miss. Ed Schultz and Cenk really "go for the jugular" with their passion on TV these days, but it's Keith's show, Keiths voice, that i miss now, with GOPers running amok, and an almost absent president, that is needed now.

He could have been talking about puppies and kitties for all i care, just good to see & hear that wordsmithing in action again.

[Iliyah]

17. And another thing

we on the left understands, appreciate, and respect our "DEMOCRACY". We understand freedom of speech and can agree and disagree. The people on the right can't. It's either their way or the highway. Plus, you guys ever notice that they are like trolls following behind their masters, single file.

[DutchLiberal]

15. Wow. Now I'm GLAD he's gone from MSNBC. He's turned into a dumbass...

1. It's disgusting to call this operation in Libya "killing people". We are not killing people. Qaddafi is killing people and we are trying to stop that, just like the people of Libya have begged us to do.

2. Why not Tunisia and Egypt you ask, Mr Olbermann? Are you really that clueless or do you pose those questions to fit your ideological narrative? Somehow I don't recall the people of Tunisia and Egypt pleading for the help of the international community. Mubarak and Ben Ali weren't slaughtering their own people. The army was on the side of the protesters in both of those countries. Some hundreds of people died throughout, but not the 6,000 that Qaddafi had murdered in just one month.

The situations are very different. To compare them would be stupid, but Mr Olbermann is not stupid, so he must be deliberately omitting these facts to fit his ideological point of view, probably some kooky isolationist or outdated pacifist ideal that says war is never an option. Or maybe, like most of DU, Mr Olbermann is still stuck in 2003 and what the US does is always baaaaaaaaad.

Mr Olbermann, healthy criticism and critical questioning is good. Playing dumb and asking questions you know the answers to perfectly well, and framing the intervention in such a disgusting way is the wrong thing to do. Something they would do over at that other network. I guess Stewart was right with his comparison at his rally after all...

[kag]

19. Excuse me, but...

I thought Keith had some pretty important points:

1. What is the end game? If we're there, as you suggest, because we were asked by the rebels to help, then what is it we are trying to accomplish? If it really is the overthrow of Qadaffi (sp?) then why is that message so garbled among Obama and his administration?

2. Why hasn't Obama come out and told us what we are doing there? I thought comparison to the "5-second-rule" was clever (though in my house it's the 10-second-rule. slow reflexes, I guess). If this were W we would be screaming for some kind of speech to Congress or to US or something.

3. We ARE killing people. I watched a clip of Sec. Gates being asked by some Congressional committee about implementing a no-fly zone, and he was very clear that the first thing you do is bomb their air-control and defense systems. And people would die in those bombings.

I'm not sure I agree with Keith's entire SO, but I thought he made some pretty cogent points. He may be a lot of things, but he is NOT a dumbass!

[DutchLiberal]

21. If this was George Bush it, I would be applauding and praising it too...

The UN Security Council's resolution specifically says Qaddafi is no goal; the goal is not regime change. Olbermann knows that but is playing dummy. What we are doing there, is making sure Qaddafi doesn't violate the no-fly zone and the weapons embargo. We are bombing air-control and defense systems, as you say yourself. And we do that to stop Qaddafi from slaughtering this own. It could happen that civilians die, but so far I haven't heard any such reports, except on Quadafi's propaganda tv. And I'd be more than willing to take the risk of accidentally hitting a few civilians if that stops Qaddafi from murdering yet *another* 6,000 people.

[tblue]

27. There are 3 yo girls being raped and mutilated and begging for help in Sudan and Congo

FOR YEARS! They don't even get a mention.

[DutchLiberal]

32. How does it help those girls when we don't help the Libyan people?

[texastoast]

57. Darfur has been begging for help for years

And we have done little. Follow the money.

[DutchLiberal]

62. Why don't you answer my question? How does it help them if we abandon the Libyans?

Would they be happier if we didn't do anything in Libya either?

"Follow the money"? I remember when DU was a place of critical thinking, instead of people parroting easily tossed out one-liners...

[texastoast]

68. Irrelevant and a straw man point

We can NOT be the world's police. Momar has been around a long time and, oh woopsie, suddenly he is in our sights.

The hypocrisy of jumping in to help the Libyans at this particular point in time is just stunning when we have been extremely remiss with pretty much any assistance to a civilization with historically far greater casualties.

Follow the money. Fah low the mon nee.

[Enthusiast]

33. Raping virgins cures aids!

It's as good an excuse as any. :sarcasm:

[dennis4868]

29. Ummmmm...

Obama has come out and told us what we are doing there...what more can he say than what he has already told us last week before military operations began:

Military Operations - humanitarian purposes only!

U.S. poilicy re: Qhadaffi - he needs to go (but not with the help of U.S. military intervention).

Obama and his administration keeps saying this....WHY DO PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND THIS?

[slay]

24. You can not fire 110 tomahawk missiles and NOT kill someone!

seriously. Sure he probably could have worded the Egypt - Libya comparison better but is that really a reason to call him a dumbass?

I'm glad he's gone from M$NBC too - so he could go to Current where he will have much more freedom. Is he perfect? No. Nobody is. But he is great IMO.

[tblue]

26. +1 Love him!

[dennis4868]

30. So according to Keith...

we should not have entered WW2, let the jews go to Hitlers ovens, because in the end of the day innocent people were killed? Such a thought process would mean that our country should never go to war no matter what the purposes are.

[Enthusiast]

37. Actually Hitler largely succeeded

in gassing the Jews. And Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around. So our goal was not to free the Jews or protect them from the ovens.

[DutchLiberal]

51. But you did; you stopped Auswitsch. It's well known FDR wanted to enter WWII.

It was Congress and the American people who didn't want it.

[jwirr]

41. WWII was a declared war (through congress) and we had been attacked.

You cannot compare the two. Apples and Oranges.

[DutchLiberal]

52. Funny, that's exactly what Olbermann is doing, which everybody is cheering on...

Irony... I love it.

[DutchLiberal]

31. Olbermann was saying it like it's our *intention* to kill people, which is disgusting...

He has never worded anything poorly before. This was no mistake. Yes, he's a dumbass for making it sound like it's our intention to kill people, and likening it to other countries and other wars is oversimplifying the whole conflict.

[slay]

53. I think you are totally misreading it

and you're willing to throw Keith under the bus for ONE comment you don't like? whatever dude.

[DutchLiberal]

63. ONE comment can carry a lot of weight. Olbermann is deliberately misinforming the people.

I think that's worth calling out.

[slay]

64. Well I think the +67 recs puts you clearly in the minority

and i still think you're reading things into this. in fact you and like one other person are the only ones on your high horses about whatever yall are reading into this. i don't get it, i never will, time to move on. bye.

[DutchLiberal]

67. So I'm in the minority... and now what? Is this is a popularity contest?

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[No DUplicitous DUpe]

42. You said: "We are not killing people."

Do I have to show you pictures of what happens when a cruise missile misses its target? Or it hits its target, and innocent children live there too?

Please, give me a break.

[DutchLiberal]

50. Olbermann said it as if it was our *intention* to kill people. We're trying to stop it.

There will always be 'collateral damage'. But if the alternative is that Qaddafi murders an additional 6,000 people, I prefer our intervention.

You and a LOT of people on DU need to start putting these things into perspective.

[JTFrog]

61. +1000 n/t

[Dokkie]

18. Oh how I miss keith

You couldnt have said it any better. But I wish you would have added the real reason why we entered the war in the first place and it has nothing to do with humanitarian reasons.

Thank you Keith

[Shining Jack]

22. K&R

Love the guy.

[slay]

23. K&R for Keith and truth!

:kick:

[2banon]

35. anyone remember when KO is due to broadcast on Current Tv? n/t

[Enthusiast]

36. I love Keith.

I quit watching MSNBC just because he was .....gone.

On this issue, this time, however, I'm not so certain. I think these actions by the U.S. might serve us in the future by showing the Muslim world that we have changed. God knows we need to change.

This time, unlike in the past, we are not on the side of a murderous dictator even if he has served our interests. And, although there is certainly collateral damage, the dictator would surely kill more civilians and enact all sorts of punitive measures against the rebels and their families.

All I'm saying here is, I'm not so sure this time.

[Mosaic]

66. I only watch msnbc

To monitor the least offensive of the corporate media, not for entertainment. They threw the baby out with the bath water when they got rid of KO.

[LaPera]

38. Fucking Keith - Man, are you MISSED!!

Love you dude!

[jwirr]

39. As usual keith gives us a well thought out summary of what is needed

from this president. To us and EU it is about oil. To the rebels it is about freedom IMHO.

[Weird Liberal Head]

40. Welcome back Keith!

We've been waiting for you to return! :)

[pam4water]

44. Yaaah good to see Keith Again!

[YvonneCa]

45. Now THIS is perfect for the Homepage...

... :7 Keith is BACK! YAaaaY!

[Hutzpa]

46. Lovely

good to hear your voice again Keith.

:thumbsup:

[brightertomorrow]

49. so good to hear his voice again

and actually "see" him. Can't wait for his new show to get going.

[NeonDog]

54. Lockerbie

Has WMD, supports terrorist that kill civilians...take the mother fucker out...

[blackspade]

55. I can't wait for him to appear on CurrentTV!

[texastoast]

56. Go Keith!

It is SO good to see him.

[pacalo]

58. K&R!

[Stardust]

59. Lord, I miss that guy. nt

[Divine Discontent]

60. well, hello, Mr. Olbermann....