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wutangfan85 Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:15 AM
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Jeremy Scahill Attempts To Remove Ed Schultz's Lips From Obama's Ass (unsuccessfully)
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 03:16 AM by wutangfan85
 
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If there was ANY example that we do not have a LIBERAL MEDIA (Sorry Conservatives, we REALLY DON'T have one), here it is. Jeremy Scahill debates Ed Schultz about what's really goin on in Libya and I have to say, you WILL hear the words "Freedom Fighters" come from Ed Schultz's mouth once you watch this video. Wow, this is a perfect case of "It's OK when our guy does it"

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:36 AM
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1. Not at all. Schultz speaks his mind. In this case he agrees with Obama, but there
have been times when he has been quite vocal against Obama's position on other things

He definitely is NOT "it's OK when our guy does it"

Also, you may not realize, but Schultz came from a moderate to right past, so his position on this is no surprise to me.

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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:55 AM
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18. That's right!
Qhadaffi has murdered Americans and Ed (just like myself) want this guy to pay the price....I think Scahill will be against anything that Obama does...there are a certain group of dems (and you know who I am talking about DUers) that will never be for anything that Obama does and if Obama does something good many of the PL and crazy liberals will simply deny it or play it down like it's no big deal.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:29 PM
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32. Big Ed is speaking his mind. Problem is, it is very limited. nm
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:07 AM
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92. I tend to agree, however, I was addressing the point that Ed Schultz is not a yes person for the
administration

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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:16 PM
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41. "Qhadaffi has murdered Americans..."
And Americans have killed plenty of Libyans, your point being what exactly? That die hard Dems can be as deluded and bloodthirsty as die hard Repugs? Congrats I guess...
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PopeRatzo Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:47 PM
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64. Self-immolation by ideology
And Americans have killed plenty of Libyans
"Plenty"? You've got a number in mind?
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:57 AM
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95. Yea, Trouble is
We, the taxpayers are going to pay the price, not Ed, not Qaddafi.

Democrats support democrats' wars, republicans support republicans' wars, and no one ever seems to point out how incredibly expensive they are--hell if you want the guy dead, send some special forces in.

I say again, why is it we are the ones to go in--if the French want some so bad, let them go get it alone. They've got all the same things we've got, no need to pretend we're somehow superior.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:28 PM
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31. This war is wrong, Ed is wrong, Pres Obama is wrong. We been thru this BS before.
We armed Saddam Hussein and the Taliban and al Qaeda. We need to stay out of this. Damnit when will we learn. The MIC is in charge of Pres Obama.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:34 PM
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34. Rachel & Keith have been very transparent about the WH contacting them
...when the WH is trying to control the message. When I heard Ed come out the other day covering for the newest war the first thing I thought of was that he was contacted by the WH.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:47 PM
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37. You got it - Schultz has evolved into a hard-core liberal progressive extremely Pro-UNION Democrat!
Like myself - who has ALWAYS been one!

Cheers to Big ED - We may disagree at times, but I know ED's heart is in the right spot 100% of the time.

Just as I know that ALL republicans are slimy lying greedy hateful corporate fascist 100% of the time!
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AllTooEasy Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:23 PM
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87. Title should read "Ed fails to remove Scahill's head out his own Ass"

This is why Conservative think we are pussies, because of wimpy douche's like Jeremy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:30 AM
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97. LOL. You have the wrong man.
The "wimpy douche" in that clip is the one who when confronted with facts, retreats into mindless nationalism.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 08:25 AM
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109. What a stupid fucking post....
So the Conservatives are tougher than guys like Jeremy because of what?

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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:40 AM
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that was pretty amazing.
 
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Ed has been great on the labor issues. He has to maintain some credibility with the regime if he is not to be completely discounted/marginalized by them for his calls for national support of labor. I don't think he was ready for Scahill's forceful rebuttal of his arguments.

I guess this is another example of how the O administration is dividing and decimating the left.
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Aryo Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:46 AM
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7. Jeremy Scahill FTW!
His Blackwater book was phenomenal and he routinely owns these M$M talking heads. Plus he's pretty sexy.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:45 PM
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76. Plus he's pretty sexy.
I'd do him....

He probably can cook and fix the washing machine!

and his journalism is amazing too.


Seriously... his journalism is amazing.
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:33 AM
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10. I think your last sentence is right on target.
Maybe there is more chess playing going on than we are aware of.

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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:19 AM
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26. Sam Seder interviews Jeremy Scahill [03•28•11]
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #26
63. Excellent interview Seder and Scahill.. thanks for the links!
very imformative as well as entertaining... :thumbsup:
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:03 PM
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39. Or maybe he wanted Jeremy to say what he did. Ed's a pro. nt
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. Yeah, another "master of n-dimensional chess"
yawn.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:19 PM
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51. could not agree with you more.
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suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:57 PM
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78. Thanks and like the debate, but can't they take the time to talk?
I really am fed up with the constant talk-overs and hyperactive pitch these take. I almost long for Bill Buckley or Dick Cavett, who at least could carry on a civilized, reasoned discussion at a pace that was meaningful and therefore, stuck with a person, not just a few seconds but long after the program was over.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #78
98. I'm with ya on that.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:40 AM
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2. dupe
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 03:49 AM by bbgrunt
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:42 AM
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3. ed shultz fucking spanked that guy
rofl!!
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Duende azul Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:37 AM
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11. Interesting perception. Was that the part, when he got all "bill'o reilly" on him?
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 06:38 AM by Duende azul
Just curious.

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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:14 AM
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24. I didn't see that at all.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:30 PM
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33. Ed spoke his mind. The problem is, there wasnt anything there. nm
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:22 PM
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52. i'm sorry, who spanked whom?
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:50 PM
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65. apparently, you don't know who Scahill is..
"That Guy" is Jeremy Scahill, an outstanding investigative journalist and when it comes to geo-political matters involving the Middle East, South Asia and general region, few can match his acumen, his contributions have been absolutely invaluable.

Schultz didn't "spank" him at all. In fact, through my lens, Schultz made an absolute fool of himself resembling a certain Bush Lick-Bot blowhard on another cabel channel when we were invading Iraq.

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Prana69 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:19 PM
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81. I have to agree with your assessment...
...Schultz looked a little too much like Bill-O to me. Scahill was making valid and considered arguments against the Libyan fandango and comparing and contracting it with Syria, and Schultz was just yelling back.

When Ed started shouting "We need to do it to avenge the families of Pan-Am Flight 103", he lost all credibility. I was actually embarassed for him and I think Scahill knew he had his measure.

P69
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:34 PM
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90. exactly..
I was completely embarrased for Shultz. In fact, I was stunned at what he attempted to do but failed so miserably because he didn't have a leg to stand on, and sadly he didn't seem to be aware of it.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:53 PM
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82. Agree.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #65
101. The GOPers FEAR him...explains hit piece....they are afraid
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #3
72. All Ed did was shout the same things over and over. He was so totally
trounced by Scahill it was pathetic.
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CrawlingChaos Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:48 AM
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4. HUGE K&R
"Liberal" Ed Schultz gets his war on. How gross.

Nice job on Scahill's part.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:57 AM
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5. glad i'm not the only one who noticed, lol
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=779301&mesg_id=779665


Jeremy SO turns me on! :bounce: Definitely a rare breed, an honest reporter. :wow:
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:30 AM
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6. Haven't like Ed since T. Boone Pickens outsmarted him on his own radio show. He does not
allow do his research and make up for it with bluster like O'Reilly >.<
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TownDrunk2 Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:56 AM
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8. I've been thinking the same thing and turning Ed OFF
Thank you Jeremy. I've turned Ed off the last 2 nights.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:59 AM
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9. "Ed Shultz the #1 progressive on Radio" Not.
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bonnieS Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:42 AM
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12. Yesterday he yelled
at Laura Flanders about the same thing. She looked really pained. She is on all the time and they have had a friendly relationship, but Ed is way too invested in this and not even able to hear what they are telling him. He jumped on Scahill for saying "your" President when he never said it--that is because Ed is "all fired up" and unwilling to hear any other side. He is not even willing to admit half the time that many (most?) liberals are against this war, and just keeps blaming "righties," expecting every liberal ( Flanders? Scahill? These are the REAL progressives! Why have them on on this topic--he has GOT to know where they stand! ) to submit to his opinion.,
This in no way takes away from his work on the working class, which is stellar.
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SoulSearcher Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:38 PM
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45. Great point
was glad to hear Ed say he respected Jeremy's work though.
And Jer seemed to handle it all while staying calm
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:52 AM
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13. "A Willing Coalition"
Lol, everything old is new again.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:54 PM
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56. Isn't that great?
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 05:54 PM by liberation
Heck, they are even dusting off some of the excuses/arguments/reasoning for the War in Iraq. And I mean literally, take some of the arguments used by republicans in 2003 and substitute "Iraqis" for "Libyans," and "Saddam" for "Quaddafi" you can see almost the same a point by point correlation with what some Dems are saying today, in this very site even.

I, for one, see this as a positive sign that recycling has gone finally mainstream in our society. What can I say, I am glass half full type of guy...
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:53 AM
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14. This is a tough issue.. the righties are loving
seeing the left torn apart because of it.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:20 PM
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43. The left torn apart?
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 05:03 PM by liberation
Obama is a moderate conservative, and Ed is a former one. Yet they are used as representatives of the so-called "left?"

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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:02 PM
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68. exactly.. this is why the left vs right is an absolute false dichotemy
I don't care how often this long cultivated and fostered deception is pointed out to liberals, still are unable to see through it. The emperors got no clothes, but somehow this plain fact remains unnoticed.

sheesh!
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:39 AM
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94. Obama finished what Reagan started
took apart the only obstacle to corporate cleptocracy: the organized left of union and non union workers, deflated the young generation's enthusiasm that he took advantage of in 2008. A real democrat would have changed Bush's economic policies: we still have the fiscal and monetary policies republicans put in place under Bush. Even Clinton changed tax rates in 1993 with 50 dems in the Senate and Al Gore's tie breaking vote.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:19 AM
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15. Ed Schultz
is a commentator for many liberals, like Rush, Beck, etc...on the far right side. For many issues he is on target and (hopefully) opening some eyes to (ie..) the Unions plight, health care, banksters, etc...
Scahill is a real investigative reporter (not many left). He travels to these Middle East countries and investigates. His intel on what is really happening in Libya, Yemen, etc...is unequaled.
I really wish that Ed would listen (with an open mind) to the information that Jeremy has. I was very disappointed when Ed (like the RW'ers) kept cutting Scahill off, so that Ed's opinion was always the dominant one. That is not interviewing. It is debating with the home-court advantage...
I like Ed, but his actual (on the ground) knowledge, is nowhere near the level of Scahill's.
Mr. Scahill is our main source of actual knowledge when it comes to "on the ground" reporting. I hope he remains safe, it would be very easy for a friendly fire attack on him in the middle of a war-zone.
I think that Ed's cheer-leading and snide attitude are going to cause some true progressives to avoid appearing on his show, that would be very bad for us. We need to get the progressive idea's and real information to the masses and Ed has the persona (IMO) to actually sway some RW views.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:54 AM
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17. Well said.
Nice post. :thumbsup:
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 12:32 AM
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93. Ed Schultz=bloviator, bs artist, pro-pagandist. J Scahill=journalist
Talk is cheap, facts are facts: Obama is just not a friend of the left. Case closed.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 02:34 AM
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106. He's a former repug turned DLCer
which means that he never really moved at all.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:53 AM
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16. Scahill....
was being intellectually dishonest about Gtittmo....the reason Gittmo has not been closed is because congress (including many dems) will not fund the closing of Gittmo....I put Scahill in the same group of DUers who will blame Obama even for things that are really the fault of congress....it cost money to close Gittmo and I reeally don't think Obama is wealthy enough to personall close Gittmo himself. Plus, congress is against allowing the detainees to be held for trial in the USA...so Obama is stuck and the one that looks bad in all of this because either people don't know the facts or they are being intellectually dishonest and have an opportunity to make Obama look weak....
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:18 AM
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25. he also focused on other nations, refused to discuss the actual topic (libya)
typical for that ilk.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:22 PM
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44. "typical for that ilk. "
Wow, just wow...
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:58 PM
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66. right?!
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #25
69. meox mix, please do a little research
before you comment further on people of "that ilk". please.
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:12 PM
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70. I disagree. Executive Order.
and it's done. We have a billion dollars a day to bomb Lybia, no less the Trillion plus spent on cannon fodder in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yeah, Congress kicked up a little dust, so what? Executive Order. Peiord. End. Of. Story.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:36 AM
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19. What I see...
Is two intellectually honest people, both reasonably informed about the issue, debating passionately but respecting each others' opinions, and parting friends.

Whichever one you agree with, or even if you don't agree with either of them, it is still an interesting and informational exchange, the kind we need to see all over the airwaves.

It could never happen on Faux. Nor even on CNN unless they start hiring smarter anchors and reporters.

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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:48 AM
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20. Yes Ed, I agree we should take out the mad dog
Here's a good question for you though... why the hell didn't we do it a long time ago? We didn't have UN support? We didn't have NATO backing? Give me a break, as if we actually needed it. We don't - we never did, in this case it has been used to provide some justification for military action, fine, fair enough. Yes, the mad dog should be shot, he should have been shot years ago, we've had numerous opportunities. Why now? Because the mad dog has gone madder? Perhaps because we can no longer please the pooch (or calm him down?) by throwing him a steak?

Who will replace him? How long until we have another just like him in Libya? I'm all in favor of destroying the beast, but let's be honest, we helped create it, we empowered it. We stood by and did nothing for many years as he funded terrorist organizations that killed large numbers of people all over the world.

Our responsibility here needs to be seen and accounted for. We gave this man weapons, we gave this man money - he may be cruel and evil and mad, but we of the Western world (PARTICULARLY America) made him more powerful. It is time to stop funding these dictators, it is time to stop selling them weapons, it is time to stop dealing with lunatics. I don't give a damn what benefit stands to be gained politically or economically - the COST is never worth it.

Would you let a serial killer out of prison and give him a machine gun? Bad idea right? So why did we help arm Gaddafi and his regime? Fuck.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:55 AM
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22. Do you actually believe that American arms manufactures will not be enabled to sell their goods?
It doesn't matter that the tyrants are bloodthirsty bastards that wouldn't hesitate to blow their own relatives to smithereens if they opposed them. Its business as usual by our so-called representatives who are owned body and soul by the corporations.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:17 AM
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28. I believe that, somehow...
We have to DISABLE them. I don't have the solution, I wish I did. Somehow, in order to ever see real progress, we have to break the power of the corporations. I think more people realize this with every passing year - yet with every passing year more fanatics and tea party members also come to be. More right wing militias which are never lacking in willing and armed (if ignorant) volunteers. There will always also be democrats who prefer appeasement to struggle, who would rather quietly let things slide by then stand up and fight.

Nonetheless, I believe the majority sees or at least is beginning to see the sickness. That gives me a little hope, it is one of the few things that still does. Twenty years ago we did not have such mass outlets for sharing information. The world is changing and I believe ultimately will come an age of greater enlightenment. I just don't think I'll live to see it.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:48 AM
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21. Your title is misleading to the point of being ridiculous.
I don't care for clumsy attempts at propaganda either by the right of left.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:40 PM
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46. "clumsy attempts at propaganda either by the right of left."
Freudian slips being what they are...
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:31 PM
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53. lol. good catch
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jeremyfive Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:04 AM
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23. Jeremy Scahill does not present his argument well.
Yes, American policy is fractured and splayed all over the place, the result of a highly contentious political process that leaves a mess around.

But there are basic differences between Bush and Obama that worthy of noting. In near every policy he laid out, Bush was headed off in some criminal direction that was not supported by the Consistution, or usually, the people. He dismantled the Justice Department, sanctioned torture, hid evidence, played up the social wars, etc. Bush never went after a consensus from the Congress or the people before he charged in, doing one disgusting thing after another.

Obama is called to account for his every breath by the lying, devious Repubicans. Even so, I believe he is doing his best to move forward in a resonable manner that is in the best interests of America and the world community. (I did not believe this of Bush for even one instant.)

Ed Shultz presents his arguments in a reasoned manner. Scahill, while he may have some valid points about the disarray in the world that the two-party political system has left around, does not present his argument well by being overly contentious and verbally combative. He should be saving that for mendacious Bill O'Reilly, not Ed Schultz.
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civilisation Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:09 AM
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27. Scahill winning, Schultz losing,. and yelling about thing not even said.
Are you people watching the same video as I? Scahill presented reason and fact,. and Schultz is pushing to "take out" a guy for an alleged crime many many years ago,. when the reality is that bombing the people on the ground and fanning the flames of a civil war has absolutely nothing to do with "taking him out",. an assassin or a drone-strike could be used for that, if you are willing to have absolutely no morals at all, and support the ridiculous right-wing military ideology that the USA has the right to kill people outside its own borders that it disagrees with,. or more accurately, who stand in the way of their corporate resource extraction profits and evil political manipulations.

It is amazing to me how many so called progressives claiming to be democrats can support more military miss-adventures one after the next. Wake up, the wars are about profits for the few and political manipulations that profit the few,. war are not to help people on the ground,. there are many many ways the USA could help people,. bombing them is not even in the ballpark. Pull your heads out of your asses,. don't be so easily manipulated by war propaganda. When people have had enough of a dictator those people suffering under them will take them out,. not some outside force. Do you not see how "well" that worked in Afghanistan and Iraq?

ALSO; he never said "your president" he said "you know what president Obama has done" and the guy loses it over what he thinks he heard,. sad.
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neoralme Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:37 AM
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30. I once was a great Ed fan; now I wonder about him. We have no
business in Libya, helping start another 20-year war.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:45 PM
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48. It seems after Olbermann was fired everyone at MSNBC got the message loud and clear.
Anyhow, I am just getting a hoot reading some of the commenters who labeled him as "the Limbaugh of the left" when he criticized Obama, now rushing to defend him.


Oh, well. C'est la vie I guess.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:37 AM
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29. breaks my heart to see so many on the US-left tie logical pretzel-knots to justify this war for oil
:(
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:34 PM
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35. Most American love their life style and arent willing to give it up regardless of the cost.
The current human civilization is not sustainable. Read "End Game" by Derrick Jensen
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:10 PM
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50. thanks for book tip, I will read it, is Jensen an anarcho-primitivist?
:hi:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:31 PM
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62. yes some call him that. nm
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:49 PM
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55. If it makes you feel better, those on the "US-left" justifying this war
... are mostly "Elsewhere-center/right."

The actual lefties in this country which have not yet been hunt down to extinction will be doing what they always do: be proven correct on their opposition to armed confrontation, only to be derided and abused by the so-called "moderates" who keep getting proven wrong.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:57 PM
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83. Who on the left justify this war? Please give us an example. nm
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Raymond82 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:36 PM
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36. Ed Schultz is NOT a Progressive
And Obama is NOT a Liberal. They are BOTH Imperialists. Scahill is correct about Obama's Imperialist ambitions.
Listen to Michael Parenti's critique of Obama's Imperialist war. http://www.kpfa.org/archive/id/68654
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:25 PM
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73. +1000 n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:01 PM
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38. That was good. Wish it went on longer. I love seeing liberals disagree.
That's when info comes out.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:09 PM
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40. Schultz is pretty much a cheerleader for whatever the party/administration want to do. In this case
he's wrong. Libya is none of our business and we should stay out.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:44 PM
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47. +1
Ed's been making me sick since this whole Libya thing started. I've never been a huge fan, but I think I'm done with him now.
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Dirigo Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:06 PM
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60. au contraire mon ami
au contraire mon ami
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PopeRatzo Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:00 PM
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67. Au gratin bon ami
That's french for, "No, Ed has not been "pro-administration". He was the first national talker I heard ripping Obama for the weak Obamacare. He really tore Obama up for "compromising" on the tax cuts for the rich.

It's OK for there to be different points of view among friends. I'm willing to extend to Obama a small window before I start screaming about this Libyan adventure. To go off on him two weeks into this, especially on the day when command of the action has been turned over to NATO seems too much like a purity test to me. And if the extreme Right is saying the same things about the President's Libyan mission, then there must be something worthwhile about it. This entire exercise for me is about the day Antonin Scalia or Clarence Thomas leaves the court and a new SCOTUS justice is appointed. Defeating Citizens United. That's number one on the list I care about. I'm sorry if that sounds cruel. Nothing else is gonna be any good in this country until that one decision is overturned.

There are certain things that are not negotiable to me. Unions. Getting corporations and the rich to pay their fair share of taxes. Reproductive choice. There are others. Stopping a guy like Ghadaffi is not on my list of non-negotiables. I'm willing to trust Barack Obama a little little bit on this, but I reserve the right to withdraw my support at any time.
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:56 PM
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49. I remember Ed on the
radio saying he was against the bombing, I guess he got the message. Jeremy Scahill is a true patriot.:patriot:
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:44 PM
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54. patriotism is a completely overrated/propagandized non-value.

and some have called it worse, as i'm sure you're aware of.

just saying. :)
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Marblehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:28 PM
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75. Yes,
but my point is he is doing his job to the best of his ability without compromise(rare these days). At least that is what I hope, my BS detector doesn't go off when I listen to him. I also think Ed does a great job when it comes to helping labor. Right now we need both of them...
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liberalmike27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:22 AM
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96. Patriotism is also a Bandwagon
To some it's a shiny, patriotic bandwagon, where people see it, they've been told all their lives they need to jump onto it, and enjoy its splendor, enjoy the self-flagellating patriotism immersion of generations of your family. I think Ed is kind of that way.

No, I wouldn't stop watching him over this, he's great on labor, and that's perhaps a more pressing, major problem for most of us Americans.

Plus think of us as all on a huge number-line, based on our ideological bents. We're all spaced out in little groups. Most on the right have moved off to the edge, are all crowded closely together. Some of us have stayed where we were since the '60's and 70's, others have migrated slightly. The result is, those on the right, the republicans are so close together, they are very, very unified.

The down side though, is that all those folks they've kicked off their little bus, have been dropping into the democratic party. Now we span like 3/4 or more of that number-line, and we've got these vast ideological ideas, spread out all over the place. There are pro-war democrats, this, and that, and the other.

Then with all of these people, we've got a republican party of squares, and a democratic party of circles. Some are perfect little circles, but most of us are polygons, hexagonally shaped, or rhombuses, all trying to fit into this circular hole that is our party. Most of those republicans are pretty square still, somehow they manage to stuff themselves into it, and when the election comes, they trim off any edges and jam themselves in it.

So, what'r you gonna do? Our slogan is "Yea, democrats suck, but who else you gonna vote fer?" We've got a bit tent, now a giant tent, and we've all just got to try to fit under it. I hate the war, but the IMC is an huge beast, and it seems it will get sated, and the media will help them, even MSNBC. By the way, I don't think he's doing this under threat--I think he really believes in it. Brainwashing runs deep. Even with talk show hosts.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 03:21 AM
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108. very, very good post.

sorry i was late to catch it; hopefully we'll catch up soon. :)
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Democracydiva Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:47 PM
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59. Career killler
A year or two ago (after Ed got his show with MSNBC)a caller brought up questions regarding 9/11. Ed abruptly ended the call saying to go there is a "career killer". I would love to see the list of topics that are considered "career killers".

Ed is okay on many of the domestic issues..but he is a child when it comes to international issues.
See:War Made Easy: How Presidents & Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death
http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=188

Besides ignoring the fact that electronic voting has turned our elections into a sham ... I can think of at least one another topic no one in the MSM dares to touch... for sure..

See: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:20 PM
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71.  Well Said! "Ed is a Child when it Comes to International Issues"
That describes Ed perfectly in this regard, unfortunately for the entire world, so is most of our population in this country.
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florida08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:03 PM
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57. if anyone cares or not
They don't want us there. That according to Richard Engel today from Libya. Given what we've seen with the Apache video from wikileaks and the pictures from Rolling Stone I don't want us there either. Haven't we belittled ourself enough? You think this would be different?

I respect both Ed and Jeremy so I won't criticize either one of them. The point is if you haven't already heard.."THEY DON'T WANT US THERE."



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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 06:34 PM
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58. For the last year we've heard how Ed Schultz hates Obama
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 06:34 PM by rpannier
It's amazing how quickly that wind has changed.

Unrec
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2banon Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 07:10 PM
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61. Wow! Just Wow! Go Jeremy! k&r'd
:thumbsup:
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:26 PM
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74. I love Ed Schultz. Whether it's union workers in Wisconsin or freedom fighters
in Libya, he always stands up for the little guy and I respect him for that.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 08:53 PM
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77. So, according to Ed, we should join a civil war in the ME...
... for revenge

for dead Americans


This is a reason to go to war??? Revenge? "They tried to kill my Daddy"


This is every crappy intervention we've ever done all over again.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 09:13 PM
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79. So should we just lie down and let them kill us? n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:17 PM
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80. Interesting. A very strong LIBERAL, Ed Schultz, supports ONE action by
President Obama and that means he is kissing his ass.

That is an infantile characterization of Ed's position, that this Liberal, anti-war combat vet supports.

Why is it wrong to use the term Freedom Fighters to describe people who are revolting to throw off the yoke of a brutal dictator?

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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:00 PM
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84. K & R
Anti war liberal will rise again
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dschmott Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:11 PM
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85. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
"Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi" is a crazy lunatic that is in the act of murdering the citizens of Libya as they struggle for freedom. And yes he murdered Americans and would have done it again if the world had not turned against him. There is an international coalition that called to the U.S. for support. We have a clear opportunity to win - and we have the wisdom and intellect of Barack Obama as president. I am with Ed on this one and support Obama's actions. The argument for sitting on the sidelines and doing nothing while innocents are slaughtered is intellectually weak and morally bankrupt. Clearly, this is not a unilateral and poorly planned grab for oil based on manufactured WMD evidence. And we do not have some mentally challenged Cheney lapdog, neo con, dolt as President inciting rage around the world. Citing fact that rebels are taking up arms against murderous abusive dictators (albeit inherited US allies) in other countries where there is no UN support backing them is not really a argument for inaction. The world is changing folks and its not time to walk away when others are asking for help and we can (and should) deliver.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:12 PM
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86. Tell it Jeremy, tell it and then tell some more!
Thanks for posting.
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:24 PM
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88. Lost tons of respect for shultz
I won't be watching his show anymore after that bit of warmongering. What an asshole. :puke:
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Dokkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:30 PM
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89. hes still good on some issues
But right now hes starting to sound like the O'Reilly of the MSNBC.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:40 PM
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91. I'm totally with Scahill on this one.
I think he is right on the money about the US imperial foreign policy over the last couple of decades.
I really with Obama was a different type of President.
I'm sick of war presidents.
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dschmott Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 03:41 AM
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99. What is Jeremy Scahill's point???
Edited on Fri Apr-01-11 03:43 AM by dschmott
We aren't doing anything taking out Yemen's leader

The dirty wars of the 80s were a disaster.

Where is the real argument against taking action against Gadaffi? Maybe I missed something?

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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 06:17 AM
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100. Ed Schultz sounds like Sean Hannity here
won't let Scahill talk, and wants Scahill to agree with him and won't respect Scahill's point of view
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:02 AM
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102. Ed Schultz Drinking the War Kool-Aid?!
We thought the media had learned their lesson from Iraq, of blindly following whatever the administration throws their way, rather than playing their role as a watchdog. But that hasn't turned out to be the case. The biggest offenders turned out to be the left wing media, on MSNBC. Antiwar.com Eric Garris weighs in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x568931
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Charleston Chew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 09:05 AM
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103. Sam Seder interviews Jeremy Scahill [03•28•11]
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 07:37 PM
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104. truly shows the difference between a typical hypocrite & a principled leftist-Scahill pnwed Schultz
Schultz :spank: Scahill
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 01:49 AM
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105. so good that it deserves a....

late :kick:
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NuclearDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-02-11 02:39 AM
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107. "Willing coalition" "agents have killed Americans"...
"entire world wants to see (dictator) dead"

Anyone else having flashbacks to 2002-2003?
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