NYPD arrests a guy for making a wisecrack about them pulling over a bicyclist

[yurbud]

Run time: 05:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxjNVSCs_Lg   Posted on YouTube: April 15, 2011 By YouTube Member: joshuabamboo Views on YouTube: 12118   Posted on DU: April 16, 2011 By DU Member: yurbud Views on DU: 4269

 
I wouldn't believe this was real if a friend of mine hadn't had something similar happen in LA.

Sometimes cops gotta back off of trying to prove they've got the biggest dicks on the block (or are the biggest dicks).

[habitual]

1. Can I just give a HUGE SHOUT OUT to the ubiquity of recording

devices.....!!!! YES

No damn wonder police want to make it a crime to record them. I have no doubt that if they were to succeed that the dude recording the footage would have been arrested too and this incident would never have seen the light of day.

Abuse of power needs to be exposed! And this was most certainly abuse of power.... let's see how the NYPD and city will respond.

[yurbud]

2. any well-adjusted, mature adult would have let the pedestrian's comment go or even

laughed. Instead, they made their own job more difficult in that neighborhood.

[urgk]

11. That's exactly what they fail to understand - their jobs just got harder.

Nicely done, Officer Ego - your macho sensibilities ensured that all of those people are just that much less likely to phone in a tip, give you information or talk you up to their friends.

[villager]

3. It's getting harder and harder to think of cops as anything other than flaming assholes

The armed gang that we hire, collectively, to go after the other armed gangs.

The mentality isn't any different, though.

[TheMadMonk]

7. Possibly. But rarely the FIRST flaming arsehole in this sort of encounter.

Free speech does NOT confer an automatic right to be a dick on anyone.

Perhaps the cops could have handled this better but that really was a picture of an idiot deliberately escalating the situation, deliberately putting the cops in a position of backing down or taking it to the next level and a bunch of idiots egging him on.

It's people pulling shit like this which both predisposes cops as a group to arseholery and at the same time damages their community standing however it goes.

[Control-Z]

8. Seriously?

So shut the F up or risk being arrested? Speak at your own peril? Kiss cop ass or get thrown in jail?

Yeah. That's the ticket. Cops have to be handled with kid gloves, we should all know that by now.

It was the cops who escalated the situation? Here's how I saw it:

"Perhaps the pedestrian could have handled this better but that really was a picture of idiot cops deliberately escalating the situation, deliberately putting the pedestrian in a position of backing down or taking it to the next level and a bunch of bystanders who thought the same."

Cops are trained and paid to behave in a reasonable and civilized fashion.

Since when is speaking about their failure to do so against the law?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

15. I love boot lickers. Don't you?

[TheMadMonk]

33. Due respect is not boot licking. Not knowing the difference...

...tells me everything I need to know about you. You sir have the distinction of being my first ignore ever.

[yurbud]

23. I'm trying to imagine someone in any other job responding the way they did and it being

appropriate or even professional.

[TheMadMonk]

35. Problem there is, any other person faced with the same provocation...

...has the option of calling for the police to remove the person being deliberately offensive from their presence and given "advanced" provocation, be properly "compensated" with a criminal or civil finding agaist the offensive person.

I really must be getting old. Because, I recall a time when this sort of situation, if it happened at all, would be dealt with very infomally, in the form of a truncheon across the back of the knee and no more said on either side. (Question: Does this "shock, horror" you? Or are you shaking your head in wonderment/despair at the sort of idiocy which manages to combine some of the worst aspects of both socialism and anarchy, without encompasing a single good quality of either?)

In one direction, sanctioning of small abuses only guarantees escalation of the same into an Abu Grahib or a Stryker Team. In another (and properly overwatched) the sanctioning of "on the spot justice" forestalls anarchy. Exactly what is the idiocy in America that leads both the Left and the Right to take separate paths which both leads to option #1?


There is a fucking huge difference between HAVING the right to verbally abuse a cop and EXERCISING that right simply because you may. (Ask your mother, if you're having any problems with the distinction between "can" and "may".)

Wilst in theory that "right" is in fact extended to everyone. In practice, it realisticaly should only be reserved for those suffering that "Oh shit" moment when a hand descends on their shoulder from behind.

[cpwm17]

36. What?

You're seeing things that are not there. The Pedestrian was engaging in some friendly banter and the cop turned into an ass. The pedestrian returned the favor and the cops then conducted an illegal kidnapping.

[TheMadMonk]

42. No, cops said, "none of your beeswax. On your way."

Dickhead pedestrian, chose to deliver another mouthful, and when asked again to "move along" he dished out yet another gobfull of smartarse and KEPT ON PUSHING.

In one theory, cops should ignore provocation, just as schoolyard victims should ignore bullying.

EXCUSE FUCKING ME. In my books, bullies and Calvanists deserve exactly the same fate. TOTAL FUCKING OBLITERATION.

ANY INDIVIDUAL who sets himself in unilatteral oposition to ACCEPTED AUTHORITY invites (rightfully or otherwise) a seriously painful reaming of orifices.


Sometimes I look at the world and wonder if the "Nigerian" scammers shouldn't be rewarded with matching funds from public coffers, and their "victims" with a bullet if they dare complain. Not because I think such people should be allowed free reign, but because anyone who volutarily CHOOSES to be a victim (even if through ignorance) in the pursuit of profit, is a fucking major liability for the rest of us.

Scammers may well be cunts of the highest order. Unfortuntatly the "average victim" is very little different. He's just sadly misinformed and ripe for the plucking.

[yurbud]

44. the guy's comment clearly wasn't beligerant and in no way rose to the level of needing arrest

[MrModerate]

46. Whoa. Truncheon across the back of the knee? Seriously?

Sublethal physical assault is the best preventive to rude behavior? I reject the values your remark implies.

We give these guys guns. We give them the authority, based on their sole judgement, to shoot people dead. We empower them to gang-tackle people, smash them to the ground and handcuff them -- again based on their judgement.

What kind of idiot responds to a pedestrian's taunting with actions that guarantee the situation will just get worse? With actions that make them look both evil and stupid? With actions that will set an entire neighborhood against them?

These cops need to be fired or disciplined and retrained. They're incompetent, and if they're allowed to continue, someone's going to get killed.

[TheMadMonk]

32. "Hey you, c********er, c**t, d***wad!" You wouldn't put up with that.

So, Why the fuck should cops have to? It's behaviour like this which drives decent coppers into early retirement, discourages decent people from becoming one and gives the remainder every encouragement to demonstrate why the force has earned the nickname of "The Filth" in places.

I read these threads and I KNOW exactly how America got to be the way it is today. You collectively have become so obsessed with your rights and freedoms, that the average American no longer has a fucking clue what a responsibility or obligation is, let alone how to go about meeting one.

Your obsession has become so great that many of you determinedly "exercise your rights" at every turm, even when such exercise is contraindicated: Fingers and yells behind the wheel leading to screwdrivers in the breakdown lane; mouthing off at a cop; Throwing wobblies in McDonalds and expanding the vocabularies of children in directions the parents would prefer they didn't explore.

With the right to speak entirely as you please comes a matching responsibility to speak with all due care.


EXCUSE FUCKING ME? How exactly is this sort of exchange, A cop forcing an enounter?

Random Pedestrian: How about you pick on a real criminal for a change copper.

Copper: <silence>

RP: Hey cunt, I said go do the fucking job I pay you to do.

Copper: Sir, would you please moderate your language.

RP: Suck my cock flatfoot.

Cop: Sir, please move along.

RP: Up your arse.

Dit dit. Dit dit.


Answer these questions: 1) Who started it? 2) Who intruded himeslf into a situation which was none of his business? 3) Who, when politely asked to unintrude himself and move along, instead turned around to waggle his "DICK" again and again and again?

And you want to tell me that the cop is the one at fault for not taking the insult on the chin like you think he should have, because thats his job.


I do notice that you have nothing to say about my observation that behaviour like this, and allowing it to slide, entirely undermines the authority the police absolutely need to do the job they are supposed to do.

[Control-Z]

34. Listen to yourself.

You are uncivilized and foul mouthed, and like a lot of cops, offensive to normal every day people.

[MrModerate]

47. Behavior like this -- cops overreacting badly . . .

Does more to undermine the authority the police need to do the jobs they are supposed to do than any foul-mouthed passerby ever did.

And by the way, what you describe in your little script isn't what happened at all. The passerby was talking to the bicyclist when the cops quite unnecessarily and aggressively ganged up on him. IMO, they didn't even need to caution him. He wasn't being vulgar or aggressive until they went after him. Just ignoring him would have prevented the whole thing.

[TheMadMonk]

50. truthfully, I can't make out exactly what is being said. What I did hear...

...was a lot of "verbal" going back and forth and more and more members of the public joining in. Once that happened

And that's a pretty fair script for how a devolving situation all too often builds. If that's not how it went here then I'm off base in this instance. However, the general points I'm trying to make remains valid.

Just because coppers are required by law to treat members of the public in a certain fashion, does not absolve those members of responsiblity to be polite and give them leave to behave like those dicks who make it their duty to try to get a rise out of the Beefeaters, when visiting London.


And in the end it really doesn't matter who was being addressed by the first comment, or what was said. A third party intruding rarely improves a situation and can all too easily make it worse. The cop would have been negligent if he didn't ask that bystander to "Move along." If a cop is rude in making that lawful request, the proper avenue is to take it up with his desk sargeant, not him on the spot.

[Speed8098]

10. You're so off base here

It isn't funny. The guy made a comment to the kid on the bike, not the cops. The thugs in uniform chose to exercise their assholishness as usual and THEY escalated the situation.
Free speech is free speech and cops are not immune to criticism, as a matter of fact they put themselves into position to be criticized many times a day. I hope this guy gets his day in court to show the video and I seriously hope the jackass that chose to harrass him gets suspended without pay.

I will not have my child learn to bow down and kiss the ass of anyone who happens to wear a badge.

Those cops should be ashamed of themselves. :spank:

Sorry for the following rant but,

WE PAY THEIR SALARIES!! WITHOUT US THEY WOULD NOT HAVE JOBS!!!!!!!!!! THEY NEED TO SHOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC MORE RESPECT OR SUFFER SEVERE CONSEQUENCES. :grr:

(Rant over)

[TheMadMonk]

37. My ears aren't the best, so I have been making certain assumptions...

...about who is saying what to whom.

But even allowing that the first comment was directed at the cyclist and not the cops, the cop's response to the effect that the situation was none of the random bystander's businesss should have been the end of it. The bystander's choice to continue and escallate, is what turns this sort of encounter into a farce which erodes the necessary authority of a police officer. Given that Libertarians and Liberals are one in showing coppers the finger, I forgive (and fucking well cheer) those occasions when dickheads like this one give cops an opportunity to sink a "righteous" boot or two of their own.


THE GENERAL PUBLIC ALSO NEEDS TO SHOW THE POLICE THE PROPER RESPECT THAT IS DUE TO THEM, OR WE GET EXACTLY WHAT AMERICA HAS BECOME TODAY and whay my nation is rapidly descending into.

All RIGHTS. ZERO fooking RESPONSIBILIY.

You, personally, in your petty little demands to do "exactly as you please, whenever you please" ultimately gives FULL FUCKING LISENCE for BP to spill a fucking gazillion gallons of oil into the Gulf. AND FOR DIRTY COPPERS TO PUT THE BOOT AND TRUNCHEON INTO YOUR KIDNEYS AT POLITICAL RALLYS. If you can do it, they why the fuck shouldn't they? C'mon, answer me that.

If you want ABSOLUTE FREE SPEECH, then "YES" or "NO", "Have you stopped molesting gerbils/small children?"

The SINGLE LARGEST FAILING of the "Founding Fathers" is that they failed to anticipate that given the right(opportunity) to be a "cunt", the average, mouth breathing knuckle dragger, would treat it as an "obligation".

[cpwm17]

40. What's the purpose of government?

Government's job is to work for the citizens, or otherwise it's authoritarian.

The police is hired by the government and payed for by the citizens to work for the citizens. These police officers considered the pedestrian an opponent and a subject. That is why they got so offended by the friendly banter. The cops escalated a non-event into an arrest over absolutely nothing.

The citizens should demand that their elected officials make cops that behave like this face consequences, or get voted out. They work for us.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

14. He didn't even say anything to the pigs.

Yeah sure, he "escalated" the situation with that whole walking away thingy. It's that whole "walking by" that really fired the pigs up, eh?

[jayfish]

16. Fuck the Police!

Every swinging dick involved in this incident should lose his/her job.

[TheMadMonk]

38. The FIRST "swinging dick" belongs to the passer by.

It really matters not who he addressed with his first comment. He was politely asked to desist. He chose to play "Silly Buggers" with someone who had the power to make his life a misery, and you think HE is a "Righteous Dude."

FFS even "Bill"and "Ted" themselves would tell you to get on your knees amd "make with the lips" in such a situation.

AND your commentary "Fuck the Police. says most of what needs to be said. (AGAINST YOU!)

The first and foremost (even beyond collaring crims) responsibility of the police is to be the collective conscience of a society. Abusing, belittling, condemning, denigrating, excoriating, fuck youing, gutting,... (got the picture yet?) the police, is an ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEED path to allowing the "BIGGEST DICKS" to rule the fucking roost. Happy fucking GEORGE BUSH day to WHY OH YOU.

Think of it like this. Anything you DEMAND for yourself, you GIFT to your enemy.

And conversely, if you would not "wear it" for yourself, YOU have ABSOLUTELY no right to expect a coppper to "wear it" on your behalf.

A "copper" stands proxy for every single member of a society.

His value lies in YOUR acceptance of his AUTHORITY to LIMIT your will.

[Capitalocracy]

20. Actually, it DOES confer precisely that right. nt

[TheMadMonk]

39. ONLY if the recipient of "that right" chooses NEVER to exercise it.

"Rights" ONLY exist in the presence of RESPONSIBILITIES and OBLIGATIONS.

AND the first and formeost of those is NOT to demand (figuratively or litterally) that anyone else drop to their knees and start sucking.

The very moment ANY PERSON unilaterally decrees that another should just 'Suck it up!' they should be stripped of EVERY SINGLE RIGHT or PRIVILEGE due a true menber of humanity.

[Capitalocracy]

43. dude, wtf are you talking about?

I don't understand the words you've placed on my screen. They really make absolutely no sense. I don't even understand what your point is... are you saying if someone insults you you essentially have the right to do whatever you want, including but not limited to raping, torturing, and/or murdering them? Stripped of every single right? What are you talking about?

[lastone]

21. you sir

are an idiot

[villager]

22. well, no. Not when they're profiling, rousting people to meet their ticket quotas, et al

n/t

[TheMadMonk]

41. If that is in fact the case then more fool them.

On the other hand as a cyclist who is CEE OH EN ESS TEE AY EN TEE EL EE WHY in the postion of watching the "general motoring public" continuously flip the finger at common sense, at pedestrian/cyclist crossings, I sometimes wonder if a few fucking bullets aimed simply for the fact the target is a "stoopid fooking dickhead", wouldn't result in a massive improvement in the "human condition in general."

[MrModerate]

48. You really need to buy a backpackful of Glenn Beck's survival food . . .

And find somewhere there are no other people. You don't have a clue how people interact with each other successfully in a society.

[ThomCat]

29. If you really, truly believe that

then you must believe that people are required to be silent, or else be subservient and meek around police officers.

Even merely agreeing or being quietly cooperative isn't enough if the police are in a mood to be argumentative, aggressive, or authoritarian. Many of us have had personal experiences with cops who are loud, obnoxious, and demand that everyone around them must submit to their every whim, and command whether it has anything to do with doing their job or not.

I've personally had run-ins with cops who loudly demand that everyone needs to "show me the respect I demand and deserve" while openly bullying me and others around me.

In one instance I was threatened with being arrested and banned from a transportation hub because my electric wheelchair wasn't moving fast enough. COULDN'T move fast enough to please that officer. Despite the fact that there was a wide hallway and plenty of room to go around me, my presence there, and my speed was such an annoyance that this apparently justified the bullying in that officer's mind.

Do you really think that it is always other people causing the cops to get aggravated, and therefore the other people should always be blamed when cops get out of hand? REALLY?

Bullshit. Total Bullshit.

• Any cop that can't act politely,
  
• Any cop that can't accept that they work For the public,
  
• Any cop that can't accept that they are required to listen to opinions they may not like and Do Not have a right to use their greater authority and access to force to retaliate, harass, threaten or intimidate people,
  
• Any cop that can't accept that the authority they are given, and the permission they are given to use force when necessary comes with a necessary responsibility to show personal Restraint and Ethical Integrity that is greater than what is expected from anyone they deal with in the general public,

1. Should resign from the police force IMMEDIATELY,
   
2. Should not be allowed to remain on the police force, and should be removed if they will not voluntarily resign,
   
3. Should be thoroughly investigated for instances of having abused their authority and used excessive or unnecessary force. Any abuses found should result in real disciplinary actions, not just paid vacations while the department investigates and whitewashes the abuses.

They have too much power in our society, and they are given far too much benefit of the doubt in every dispute for them to ever be allowed to have power without restraint.

[TheMadMonk]

49. Not at all. Simply that they exercise "silence" when their input ...

...would be of negative value.

The pedestrian intruded himself where his presence was neither desirable nor warranted.

It wasn't a matter of being agreeable to the cops. The individual who intruded himself WAS NO PART OF THE ORIGINAL ENCOUNTER. When he was asked (politely) to butt out, he intruded himself even deeper and kept pushing. AND that is the point where the cop was damned whatever he did. In that position I'd pick the option that gave me some satisfaction and the dick at least a wasted afternoon too.

If there's a problem here, it's that "The Manual" forces the police to play out the whole silly escalation game stage by stage BEFORE they can make a properly descisive action. Realistically it should be one warning, then "Disorderly conduct. $100. Sign here. Piss off."

A Cop may be polite without being a doormat. Mr Bystander tried to wipe his feet, leaving the copper no real choice but to "wipe the floor" in repsonse.

I won't say it's the rule, but every encounter I've ever had with a cop, right down to being busted with 5 oz of pot, has been perfectly civil. Furthermore, damned near every bad cop story I've ever heard firsthand icludes something along the lines of, "So I gave him a gobful" (or the even more hillarious "I spewed all over his uniform") "and he turned into a complete cunt." (I wonder fucking why?)

I accept that there are bad cop encounters, even encounters that are pure evil copper. However, most ARE down to some dickhead member of the public refusing to accept reasonable limits. Pile enough of those into one shift, and some poor bastard in a wheelchair gets yelled at unnecessarilly. It's not right, but it's what you get when people interpret a "right" to behave like a dick as an obligation.

[DCKit]

4. Thugs.

We've got 'em here in DC too... boy could I tell some stories.

[Devil_Fish]

5. Wait, what did they arrest him for? I'm lost. NT

[sasquuatch55]

6. Very sad and troubling times. n/t

n/t

[jerseyjack]

9. Probably $5 to 10k goes to the pedestrian for false arrest.

[me b zola]

12. Can you imagine that happening to Trump?

Seriously. There are two standards for "law enforcement". What this gentleman experienced is unfortunately what I have (except I was beaten too). Now think about a wealthy person. They can behave in almost any manner and be treated very well by "law enforcement".

We are a dying nation.

[yurbud]

24. a rich person can commit a real crime, like Lloyd Blankfein, and the cops will stand down

and let him go about his business of destroying the world economy.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

13. CRAZY! Those police officers need to be disiplined!!! What do they think this is Nazi Germany?

[xchrom]

17. ...

:mad:

[sulphurdunn]

18. Never fuck with people

who have the legal authority to fuck back and who carry guns. This is exactly the kind of encounter that led to the Watts Riots: A guy got busted for DUI. No one had a problem with that. The trouble started when the cops impounded the guy's car rather than let this brother drive it home. Before it was over the National Guard was deployed, 34 people were dead, 1000 people were injured, 3500 were arrested and 1000 buildings were torched.

[BobbyBoring]

19. It is getting out of hand

My Bro was almost shot by a SWAT team that showed up at HIS HOUSE. Someone THOUGHT they heard a gun shot. 7 cars responded and as he was going down his drive way, 7 pigs pointed automatic weapons at him while screaming "get the fuck out of the fucking car".

They would have shot me because I'm not quite as calm as he is.

[bongbong]

25. Solution

Marry a lawyer with connections to judges. If everybody does this the cops will behave. :sarcasm:

[HolyCity2012]

26. The cops instigated the entire incident.

http://www.copwatch.net/

[yurbud]

27. great website

[HolyCity2012]

28. Cop Watch- These Streets Are Watching

Cop Watch Documentary about the organization and what it does and how it can be effective

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2298191316209203092#

This video will be removed on April 29, 2011.

[ThomCat]

31. Great video.

That looks like a really good community-based group.

I bet that's why we've been hearing more and more about the police trying to outlaw the use of cameras and video cameras in the presence of police officers and crime scenes.

[ThomCat]

30. I wish an investigation was likely to produce postive results.

Unfortunately, most of the time the police department, with the cooperation of the police union will do everything possible to cover up for the police officers, sweep it under the rug as justifiable force, and/or smear the victim to imply that he deserved it regardless of how vicious and unwarranted it was.

In the meantime, the officers will almost always get Paid suspensions. That means they get a great big paid vacation. How Nice.

In the rare times when they truly do investigate, and take the investigation seriously, most of the time the most that happens is the police officers get fired. That's all. They lose their job. No criminal charges get filed for assaulting someone, for abusing their authority and abusing the public trust.

Even when they get fired, they can appeal that decision through the police union, and many times they get the decision reversed and can get their old job back, with seniority reinstated.

There have been several public cases here in NYC where officers only got written reprimands in their files. This was supposed to be taken seriously as a punishment because it was supposed to mean that their careers were damaged. I'm betting this system is standard in most places. The reprimands would supposedly prevent them from getting promotions and vacations and special assignments and even overtime. But in several of those publicized cases the cops were PROMOTED very shortly after getting the reprimands and even moved to more prestigious precincts and units. The reprimands were seen as "badges of honor" instead of as something negative.

Time will tell what happens in this case. I hope they really investigate this seriously. I hope it doesn't result in a typical cover-up or a slap on the wrist.

[MrModerate]

45. Stupid, stupid, stupid cops. These guys are too stupid to be let out with guns. n/t